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Date:         Sun, 31 Jul 1994 22:59:30 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         MR Mac - Michael Robertson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Anyone know of any good "timing" examples?

Rather than reinvent the wheel, I'm wondering if anyone out there knows of
any AppleScript code samples that deal with timed execution. By that I mean
a script that will accept some sort of scheduling input and create an event
which will execute at a certain date and time. An example would be to
"ping" a server at a certain time. I would like an example that was
dynamic. i.e. It received user input and then would execute at a later
time. Any help greatly appreciated and go ahead and send the scripts to me
via e-mail if you got any laying around! :)

Thanks in advance!
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Date:         Sun, 31 Jul 1994 19:05:44 -1000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Pete Hinely <[e-mail]>
Subject:      error number -128 is not quitting the script

Hi,
  I'm still try to get scripts to exit in the appropriate places.  Do any
of you know why error number -128 does not quit the script in the
following example:

Process(theFile)

on Process(theFile)
        try
                PerformAction(theFile)
        on error
                activate
                display dialog "A fatal error occured!"
                error number -128 -- This is supposed to exit the script immedia
        end try
end Process


Are there any work-arounds to make the script quit like it is supposed to?

Thanks in advance,
peter
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Date:         Sun, 31 Jul 1994 21:32:46 -1000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Pete Hinely <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: File Exists?
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Sun, 31 Jul 1994, Mark Elpers wrote:

> Is there an AppleScript Addition that allows me to check is a file exists
> at a specified path? I do not have the Scriptable Finder (yet...)

The file commands scripting addition that comes with AppleScript does
such a thing:

if (list folder ((path to system folder as string) & "FolderOfInterest"))
 contains TheFileImLookingFor then
  display dialog "I'm so happy it's there!"
end if

-pH
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Date:         Sun, 31 Jul 1994 21:27:16 -1000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Pete Hinely <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Automatically saving scripts as run-only?
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Sun, 31 Jul 1994, David Ray wrote:

> >Do any of you have a drag-n-drop utility to automatically save other
> >scripts as run-only?
>
> Nope, but I have another suggestion - if you invoke the scripts from Script
> Menu or OSA Menu instead of Other Menu, you can run the scripts as compiled
> scripts rather than stand-alone applications. The scripts will use the heap
> space of whatever the front application is.

Actually the latest version of OtherMenu (1.4.1) will run compiled
AppleScripts.  However, I need my scripts to be applications for 2 reasons:
  1.  Some of them have to have drag-n-drop capability
  2.  Some of the scripts need to be able to figure out their own name.
       Now if their was a way to get the name of a (non-application)
script while it was running, I could let OtherMenu run some of them.  Do
scripts have a name property?

-peter
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 01:03:25 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Chuck McKinnon <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AS & Microphone II 4.0.2

When I run this (from Script Editor)

tell application "MicroPhoneT II"
        activate
        Do Script "Do Script * 'Setup'" ['Setup' is a MP II internal script.]
end tell

I get an error saying script not found. I've also tryed the module approach --
i.e. - Do Script "Do Script * 'Setup','<settings name>"
same result.

So the ? is what is wrong? Is it the syntax? or the command?
Any help is mucho appreciated.

TIA


Chuck

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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 15:14:22 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Judith =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kert=E9sz?= SUCHARD <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MacWorld, Boston

>Yes.  Call Random House at 1-800-733-3000 and order the Complete AppleScrip=
t

Is there an address to write to? thanks.

Chaleureusement,

Judith
_________________________________________
Judith Kert=E9sz Suchard                  [e-mail]
C.N.A.M. Labo Informatique             AppleLink: cnam
25, rue Mont Cenis                         Tel:[phone]
75018 Paris, France                     Fax: [phone]
_________________________________________
"La simplicit=E9, c'est le fruit d'un long effort"
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 11:03:55 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mitch Temoche <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re> Fwd> AS & Microphone II 4.0.2

---- begin included message ----
When I run this (from Script Editor)

tell application "MicroPhoneT II"
        activate
        Do Script "Do Script * 'Setup'" ['Setup' is a MP II internal script.]
end tell

I get an error saying script not found. I've also tryed the module approach
--
i.e. - Do Script "Do Script * 'Setup','<settings name>"
same result.

So the ? is what is wrong? Is it the syntax? or the command?
Any help is mucho appreciated.

TIA


Chuck

---- end included message --------

tell application "MicroPhoneT II"
        activate
   -- change this line     "Do Script "Do Script * 'Setup'"
   -- try this
        Do Script MicroPhone Script "Setup"
end tell
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 11:16:38 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MacWorld, Boston

>Is there an address to write to? (Random House)

Random House Inc.
201 East 50th Street
New York, NY 10022

Other phone numbers you can try for international orders are:

voice: 212-572-6106
fax:  [phone]

Danny
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 08:27:32 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: File Exists?

At 21:32 7/31/94 -1000, Pete Hinely wrote:
>On Sun, 31 Jul 1994, Mark Elpers wrote:
>
>> Is there an AppleScript Addition that allows me to check is a file exists
>> at a specified path? I do not have the Scriptable Finder (yet...)
>
>The file commands scripting addition that comes with AppleScript does
>such a thing:
>
>if (list folder ((path to system folder as string) & "FolderOfInterest"))
> contains TheFileImLookingFor then
>  display dialog "I'm so happy it's there!"
>end if

The only problem with this solution is that it assumes that the folder
containing the path exists.

Example: I'm trying to get some files out of a folder.  I'm not sure this
folder exists, but I'm not sure the folder containing it exists either.  If
you don't have Disk:Folder1:Folder2
list folder("Disk:Folder1:Folder2") will generate an error.

So I had to write my own routine:
on FileExists(path)
        set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {":"}
        set Container to ""
        if (list disks) does not contain word 1 of path then
                set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {""}
                return 0
        end if
        repeat with x from 2 to number of words in path
                log x
                set Container to (Container & word (x - 1) of path & ":")
                log Container
                if ((list folder (Container as text)) does not contain word
x of path) then
                        set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {""}
                        return 0
                end if
        end repeat
        set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {""}
        return 1
end FileExists

Seems to work for me ...
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 10:19:26 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Problem with Text Field Delimiters

Earlier today, I posted a subroutine that would find if a file existed.
This is a fragment of that subroutine:
---
on FileExists(path)
        set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {":"}
        set Container to ""
        log (item 1 of path)
        if (list disks) does not contain word 1 of path then
                set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {""}
                return false
        end if
---

I've found an interesting problem: If the disk name is not one word (Apple
allows spaces, of course), this fails because it tries to see if (list
disks) contains (word 1 of path).

I originally assumed that word 1, word 2, etc would be calculated based on
the new text item delimiters -- the ':', in which case word 1 would be
everything up to the first ':', but apparently AS is not doing that.  Am I
doing anything wrong?

-roy
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 19:31:15 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Wagner Luiz Truppel <[e-mail]>
Subject:      How does AS know which osax to use?

Howdy,

how does AS know which osax to choose from when asked to perform a command?
For example, Apple's System Object Suite, The Sweet Suite (by Gerry Davis)
and the Script Tools Suite (by Mark Alldritt) all define a 'choose folder'
command ***with the same syntax***. If one has all of these in the
Scripting Additions folder, how does AS decide which to use?

Thanks.


Wagner Luiz Truppel
[e-mail]
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 10:49:04 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: How does AS know which osax to use?

>Howdy,
>
>how does AS know which osax to choose from when asked to perform a command?
>For example, Apple's System Object Suite, The Sweet Suite (by Gerry Davis)
>and the Script Tools Suite (by Mark Alldritt) all define a 'choose folder'
>command ***with the same syntax***. If one has all of these in the
>Scripting Additions folder, how does AS decide which to use?

Jon Pugh no doubt knows, but...most likely, either the first or last osax
encountered which uses a given syntax for a particular event class/event id
pair will be chosen.  So long as they do the same thing, it really doesn't
matter.

This issue has led me to do three things:

1.  Keep the Scripting Additions folder as empty as possible.  (For
example, I have the GTQ library...I have only about two of the pieces
installed at the moment.)

2.  Not add to the supply.

3.  Use Finder labels to mark the non-Apple Additions I do have, so I can
find them quickly and rip them out.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 14:12:06 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Problem with Text Field Delimiters
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Roy S. Rapoport" at Aug 1, 94 10:19:26 am

--Roy S. Rapoport wrote:
>
>I've found an interesting problem: If the disk name is not one word (Apple
>allows spaces, of course), this fails because it tries to see if (list
>disks) contains (word 1 of path).

    It's important to remember that a word in AppleScript is always
bounded by white space, regardless of what the Text Item Delimiters are
set to.

>I originally assumed that word 1, word 2, etc would be calculated based on
>the new text item delimiters -- the ':', in which case word 1 would be
>everything up to the first ':', but apparently AS is not doing that.  Am I
>doing anything wrong?

    Try changing the "word 1" in your script to "text item 1". This
should fix your pathname parsing problems.

-Hades
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 11:12:36 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Matt Stevens <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Problem with Text Field Delimiters

>I've found an interesting problem: If the disk name is not one word (Apple
>allows spaces, of course), this fails because it tries to see if (list
>disks) contains (word 1 of path).
>
>I originally assumed that word 1, word 2, etc would be calculated based on
>the new text item delimiters -- the ':', in which case word 1 would be
>everything up to the first ':', but apparently AS is not doing that.  Am I
>doing anything wrong?
>
>-roy

I recently ran into this same problem; by specifying that you want word 1
of text item a, instead of word 1 of a it seems to work.  The key is
specifying explicitly that it's a text item, otherwise it seems AS doesn't
always treat it as such in regards to delimiters.
--
matt
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 13:11:42 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      DocServer for Frontier Runtime

John Baxter has dropped a copy of the DocServer for Frontier Runtime on gaea
(thanks, John). You'll find it in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/frontier/FromUserland/DocServer_for_Runtime.sit.hqx

His description follows:

DocServer is on-line documentation browser for Frontier verbs. This package
provides documentation for all verbs supported by Frontier Runtime 3.0.
It's especially useful if you want to understand how the scripts in the
Sample Scripts package work..

How To Install
-------------

With Frontier Runtime running, double-click on DocServer.Runtime. Click OK
in any confirmation dialogs that appear. The verbs and shared menu for
DocServer will be installed into the Runtime database. Launch DocServer to
browse thru the verb documentation. Use the Jump To Verb command to view a
specific verb, or use the Index menu to browse a verb category.

UserLand Software
December 1993
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 20:20:48 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Wagner Luiz Truppel <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Request for osaxen

Howdy,

I'm writing an aplet that requires two special dialog boxes and, not having
the expertise required to create the necessary osaxen, I decided to turn to
the great programmers out there in the net for some help.

Here's what I need:

- a choose folder dialog box that has an additional button, for creating a
new folder. In other words, the user can select an already existing folder
or create a brand new right from within the dialog, without having to
dismiss it, go to the Finder, create the new folder, and then get back to
the aplet. Notice that invisible folders should not be listed.

- a choose multiple files dialog box (ie, with "Add", "Add All", "Remove"
and "Remove All" buttons) that allows the user to select folders as well as
files - a "choose multiple items" dialog would be a more appropriate
name... The analogous "choose one item" dbox is also an interesting
addition, and I could use that one instead (on a loop), but I'd rather use
the "multiple items" one. Finally, either "choose item" dbox should have
(according to an option set by the scripter) a check box for selecting
aliases instead of their targets. Another option set by the scripter that
would be nice to have is one to prevent invisible files and/or folders from
being listed.

I must say that I cannot pay any significant amount of money for the
results of these requests, and just hope someone with the required
expertise and some free time will be willing to do it for the challenge,
for the benefit of other scripters (in the best tradition of shareware and
freeware) and for a free copy of my aplet when it's finished.

Thank you very much.


Wagner Luiz Truppel
[e-mail]
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 14:30:30 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Problem with Text Field Delimiters
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Matt Stevens" at Aug 1, 94 11:12:36 am

--Matt Stevens wrote:
>
>I recently ran into this same problem; by specifying that you want word 1
>of text item a, instead of word 1 of a it seems to work.  The key is
>specifying explicitly that it's a text item, otherwise it seems AS doesn't
>always treat it as such in regards to delimiters.

    This can be a bit cumbersome. Since he wants an entire portion of a
pathname that been separated by ":" characters he really needs to use
"text item 1" or "last text item" to get the portions. Words in
AppleScript are always bounded by whitespace.

-Hades
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 12:13:49 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: I learned something new today

At  1:17 7/28/94 -0800, Jon Pugh wrote:

>In the Script Editor 1.1 there is the nifty event log window.  Hopefully
>everyone has played with this.  The tip is that AppleScript knows 3
>commands for dealing with this.  All of them only do things when the window
>is showing, so they can be left in finished scripts.  The first is "start
>log", the second is "stop log" and the last is simply "log".  (All kids
>love Log!)

Hmm.  This is not my experience.

Note the following script:
---
start log
copy 2 + 5 to t
set t to t + 3
log t
display dialog t
stop log
---
This works great if I run it from within the script editor, but if I save
it as an application and double-click on it, I get '<<script>> doesn't
understand the start log message'.
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 13:07:39 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Remote machine AppleScripting

One thing that I do whenever I need to deal with getting at information on a
 remote machine, and it's not in an app which supports remote Apple events, is
 the following:

Script applications, when running, do accept AppleScript commands across the
 network. So, let's say you wanted to know the name of every item on the top
 level of someone's hard drive (who was running the Scriptable Finder,
 conveniently enough)
Put a script application on their machine, and make a handler like this:
on getAllNames()
        get the name of every item on startup disk of application "Finder"
end getAllNames

Then from another machine across the network, write the following script:
tell app "Tester" of machine "Foo"
     getAllNames()
end tell

(Assume Tester is the name of the script application churning away on the other
 machine).

When you send it the getAllNames() command, it will cause the Tester script
 application to get the name of every item. This command will be treated like a
 local command because the script itself is on the local machine. The result
 that it gets
will be returned across the network to your script.

This is a somewhat brain-dead example, but it shows that you can use script
 applications to receive remote events and execute commands on the local
 machine. This is a handy way (as handy as anything that uses Program Linking,
 anyway)
to get at apps that don't allow remote events.

BTW, in the second edition of the Tao book (this is not a shameless plug), we
 have a script which will allow you to run any script on some other machine
 using this technique. For some reason, my roommates won't let me test it on our
 house's network!

The trick is to use the "run script" command on the target machine. run script
 will take any text and run it as if it were a script. So, you type out some
 text in Scriptable Text Editor, and send that to the remote machine, which has
 a script app with the
following command:

on runScript (textToUse)
        run script textToUse
end runScript

Before they firmly shut down Program Linking, I had dialogs appearing on my
 roommate's screens (which I was able to get the results of, BTW), and all sorts
 of other neat things!

Hope this helps,
Derrick
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 13:19:42 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Anyone know of any good "timing" examples?
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Sun, 31 Jul 1994, MR Mac - Michael Robertson wrote:

> Rather than reinvent the wheel, I'm wondering if anyone out there knows of
> any AppleScript code samples that deal with timed execution. By that I mean
> a script that will accept some sort of scheduling input and create an event
> which will execute at a certain date and time. An example would be to
> "ping" a server at a certain time. I would like an example that was
> dynamic. i.e. It received user input and then would execute at a later
> time. Any help greatly appreciated and go ahead and send the scripts to me
> via e-mail if you got any laying around! :)
>
> Thanks in advance!

>

I don't know if this will help, but I have a script which executes every
hour and says the time (using Plaintalk scripting additions). Here's how
I set it up (I'm not looking at my Mac at the moment, so I can't
guarantee that this will work):

on idle
   if the time string of (current date) contains ":00:" then tell me to
speakTime()
end idle

You could, obviously, put any time to watch for in there. Handling the
user interface might be tricky, but it depends on how elaborate you wish
to make it.

You might have the following script:
display dialog "Ping server at what time?" default answer "8:00 AM"
copy the text returned of the result to pingTime

on idle
   global pingTime
   if the time string of (current date) contains (word 1 of pingTime) and
the time string of (current date) contains word 2 of pingTime then tell
me to pingServer()
   -- the time string (if that's what it's called) comes back as 8:00:00 AM
   -- I can't remember if AS strings can be broken down into words. I
think they can, but I could be wrong. That's what I get for not working
on Macs anymore.

end idle

Anyway, it's just an idea. Hope it helps,

Derrick
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 13:20:19 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Shaff <[e-mail]>
Subject:      HyperCard Droplets?
In-Reply-To:  Peter Fleck - SMM's message of Sun,
              31 Jul 1994 19:05:32 CDT <[e-mail]>

Greetings,

Peter Fleck was kind enough to type in an example of a HyperCard stack as a
droplet.

I took the example of mutated it for my purposes and ran into one area of
problem.

My stack script is being interpreted as AppleScript (that's not the problem).
The script complains about the following line:

        request appleEvent data

The comment says this invocation should return the file pathname.  Which given
the context makes perfect sense, however there must be some syntactic
difference to make it work.

Thanks for reading,

Michael
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 13:21:18 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: error number -128 is not quitting the script
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

Regarding trying to quit the script when Cancel is pressed...

Doesn't AppleScript deal with this for you? If you don't trap the error,
I thought Cancel automatically terminated the script. Maybe the same
doesn't apply in handlers...?

Derrick
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 17:26:48 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mitch Temoche <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Set working directory

Does anyone know how to set an application's working directory in AppleScript
either via a script or an addition?
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 15:02:14 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Shaff <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Global variables

Greetings,

I have a new definition for what fun is not:  HyperCard & AppleScripting.

With that caveat aside, should global variables declared in a stack script
(interpreted as an AppleScript) be visible to a background script (also
interpreted as an AppleScript)?

Take care!

Michael
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 15:26:36 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Shaff <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Renaming files

Greetings,

I am more than slightly embarrassed to ask this question, but deadlines know no
modesty:

How does one script the renaming of a file?

I liked at all of my scraps of information, Finder Lib, Toolkit, etc. and
nothing.

The answer must be straight forward, I'm just to bent to see.

Thanks,

Michael
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 16:03:46 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Renaming files

At 15:26 8/1/94 -0700, Mike Shaff wrote:
>How does one script the renaming of a file?

Wow, a question I know the answer to! :)

Use Finder Liaison 1.1 (unless you have Scriptable Finder.  I don't have
SF, but it seems like it can pretty much do anything you want it to do,
other than prepare coffee (you need the coffee OSA for that)) ... code
fragment:
---
tell application "Finder Liaison 1.1"
        Set Name of Folder BSIFolder in Disk GPS2 To BackUPName
        quit
end tell
--

You get the point ...

-roy
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 19:14:28 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Boris Levitin <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Anyone know of any good "timing" examples?

MR Mac - Michael Robertson <[e-mail]> writes:

::::
Rather than reinvent the wheel, I'm wondering if anyone out there knows of
any AppleScript code samples that deal with timed execution. By that I mean
a script that will accept some sort of scheduling input and create an event
which will execute at a certain date and time. An example would be to
"ping" a server at a certain time. I would like an example that was
dynamic. i.e. It received user input and then would execute at a later
time. Any help greatly appreciated and go ahead and send the scripts to me
via e-mail if you got any laying around! :)
::::

There is an example of a simple timed-execution script in Danny Goodman's
Complete AppleScript Handbook. The downside is that the applet has to stay
running. There is a dearth of meaningfully scriptable scheduling software...
I'm trying to talk to Nisus, which purchased Essentil Software's Easy Alarms,
about extending its AS support to allow applets to set Easy Alarms reminders
that play other applets. Perhaps owners of Now Alarms would care to comment...

Boris Levitin                                  WGBH Public Broadcasting, Boston
                                   [e-mail] * [e-mail]
              I produced this message and am solely responsible for its content
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 19:18:52 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Boris Levitin <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: error number -128 is not quitting the script

Pete Hinely <[e-mail]> writes:

>Are there any work-arounds to make the script quit like it is supposed to?

quit or quit me don't work for you?

Boris Levitin                                  WGBH Public Broadcasting, Boston
                                   [e-mail] * [e-mail]
              I produced this message and am solely responsible for its content
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 16:20:55 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Frontier records & lists

>I have question regarding accessing a list of records in Frontier.
>When scripting Quark, you can do something like
>
>   get(page[1].picturebox[color == "foo"].name)
>
>and you will be returned a list of the names of all the picture boxes one
>page 1 that have the color "foo".

That is achieved through a collaboration (on one of two levels) between
(speaking carelessly) the Apple Event Manager and the Application.
[Really, it's a part of the AE Manager which appears as a separate
library.].  I suspect XPress uses the faster level (in which the
application somehow marks elements for further consideration) rather than
the slower level (in which the Manager has to ask for individual
comparisons for each and every element to be tested).

I might add that even the simpler level can be quite complex in practice:
you need to write a function which AE Manager can call to count the number
of any (valid) element in any container, and another function which AE
Manager can call to do any valid comparison between two objects or between
an object and some raw data which might have been made into an object but
wasn't).


>Is there any way to do something like this with a very large list of records
>in Frontier? I have created a type of index for 2500 illustrations (stock
>number, folder name, and file name), and want to be able to get all the file
>names that pertain to a certain item number. The client for whose jobs I
>created these scripts is organizationally challenged and has several
>duplicate stock numbers for completely different products.
>
>I want to be able to find all the records that contain the same value in one
>particular field  without looping through the entire list and checking the
>value of that field. For example I would like to be able to do something like
>
>
>  foo = a very large list of records
>  bar = foo['fld1' == "something"]
>
>and have bar be a list of either the records themselves or even the index
>values of the list elements that match.

Frontier doesn't do this...for a one-shot job, I would guess that the
better approach would be to write a looping script, verify it on small
sample data (but you knew that), then turn it loose over the weekend on
your fastest available machine.  [You'd have to do the same in
AppleScript.]

It would be possible to design and write a helper application which
collaborates in the fast way with the AE Manager to do the job for you.
That could be done in a rather general way (and might be useful, but almost
certainly wouldn't repay development costs).  Or...a Frontier UCMD could be
written to do the specific job at hand (or some of the more general job).

But...either of those would need, as part of testing, a comparison of the
results against the weekend run I mentioned earlier (overnight might well
be enough).

>
>+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+
>|       Everything is very very deeply      \
>|    I  N  T  E  R  T  W  I  N  G  L  E  D   \
>| [e-mail]/sage![e-mail] \
>+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+

Isn't it, though.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 16:21:04 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Re(2): Frontier records & lists

>Doug Baron wrote:
>
>>This should work fine, memory permitting. Generally, the list you get back
>>will contains object specifiers for the indicated items, but if you ask for
>>the items' ids, you should get back a list of ids. For example:
>>
>>    foobar = foo ['fld1' == "something"].id
>>
>>This assumes that "foo"s _have_ ids in the first place.
>
>Am I missing something? It seems to me that this kind of thing does not work
>with lists of records in Frontier, but does work with objects in Quark. Allow
>me to illustrate:
>
>local
>  foo, bar
>foo = {{'fld1':"rec 1 fld 1 data",'fld2':"rec 1 fld 2 data"},{'fld1':"rec 2
>fld 1 data",'fld2':"rec 2 fld 2 data"}}
>
>foo is a list that contains 2 elements. Each element is a record that
>contains 2 fields, named 'fld1' and 'fld2'.
>
>The following command
>
>  bar = foo['fld1' == "rec 2 fld 1 data"]
>
>yields the error "Array index is out of range. The list "foo" doesn't have an
>item #0"
>
>Shouldn't the above assignment work?

Conceptually, it should.  In the implementation, 'fld1' == "rec 2 fld 1
data" is evaluated as it appears there:  'fld1' is coerced to a string, and
compared with the other string...they aren't (obviously) equal, so the
result is false.  Then you have
   bar = foo[false]

which looks like indexing, so the false is coerced to an integer (0), and
foo[0] by definition does not exist.

If you happened to express a test which came out true, you would assign the
first element of foo to bar, silently.  That seems worse.
>
>Or what about the following potentially quite useful assignments...
>
>  bar = foo[100-last]['fld1' == "rec 2 fld 1 data"]
>  bar = foo['fld1' contains "rec 2"]
>  bar = foo['fld1' startswith "rec"]
>
>or something similar.

All of those suffer the same fate...they are evaluated from the inside out.
(bar = foo ['fld1' startswith 'fld'] would assign foo[1] to bar, again not
what you would want).


>Basically, I am wondering if what I want to do in Frontier is currently
>impossible (and if not how do I?), and to recommend that it be implemented in
>the future if it is.

An interesting suggestion, but I'd advise scripting around the need for the
time being.

   --John

--John W. Baxter    Port Ludlow, WA USA   [e-mail]
  UserLand Software support
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 19:25:31 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Boris Levitin <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: File Exists?

>> Is there an AppleScript Addition that allows me to check is a file exists
>> at a specified path? I do not have the Scriptable Finder (yet...)

try
   info for (theFilePath as alias)
   --code for file-found condition
on error
   --code for file-not-found condition
end try
--control passes to here

Boris Levitin                                  WGBH Public Broadcasting, Boston
                                   [e-mail] * [e-mail]
              I produced this message and am solely responsible for its content
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 18:25:22 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Andy Cemelli [remote]" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Hypercard droplets? -Reply

In ResEdit change bundle bit 128.  Under the "APPL" and "STAK" types
create one more, file type: "****" then rebuild your desktop, this'll
allow any file dropped on HC to launch and then the script that Peter
Fleck sent should work...

>>> Mike Shaff <[e-mail]> - 7/31/94 5:57 PM >>>
Is there a method for making Hypercard stacks saved as applications
into droplets?
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 15:05:21 -1000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Pete Hinely <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: error number -128 is not quitting the script
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Mon, 1 Aug 1994, Boris Levitin wrote:

> Pete Hinely <[e-mail]> writes:
>
> >Are there any work-arounds to make the script quit like it is supposed to?
>
> quit or quit me don't work for you?

Unfortunately "quit" and "quit me" will not quit a script.

Any other ideas?

-peter
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 15:19:13 -1000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Pete Hinely <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Renaming files
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

The Jon's Commands scripting addition can easily rename files also:

I believe the syntax is as follows:

  renameFile oldfilename to newfilename

It's as simple as that!
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Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 09:34:57 +0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Todd Hooper <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Filemaker Pro - printing

Brian, thanks for the suggestion.

I did play with using do script "myprint" to trigger a FileMaker
printing script from AppleScript. There seems to be a lot of
timeout problems with these, which is why I hoped for a
100% AppleScript solution. I guess FileMaker just isn't there
yet.

Thanks,

Todd
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 21:46:03 CDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Peter Fleck - SMM <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: error number -128 is not quitting the script

>> Pete Hinely <[e-mail]> writes:
>>
>> >Are there any work-arounds to make the script quit like >> it is supposed
to?
>>
>> quit or quit me don't work for you?

> Unfortunately "quit" and "quit me" will not quit a script.

> Any other ideas?

Try "tell me to quit"

Peter
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Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 00:10:09 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Filemaker Pro - printing
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Todd Hooper" at Aug 2, 94 09:34:57 am

--Todd Hooper wrote:
>
>Brian, thanks for the suggestion.

    You're welcome.

>I did play with using do script "myprint" to trigger a FileMaker
>printing script from AppleScript. There seems to be a lot of
>timeout problems with these, which is why I hoped for a
>100% AppleScript solution. I guess FileMaker just isn't there
>yet.

    Have you tried wrapping the Do Script command in a with timeout
statement? This is how you stop all of those timeout problems. Try this
out:

tell application "FileMaker Pro"
    with timeout of 600 seconds
        Do Script "myprint"
    end timeout
end tell

-Hades
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Date:         Mon, 1 Aug 1994 18:58:31 -1000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Pete Hinely <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: error number -128 is not quitting the script
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Mon, 1 Aug 1994, Peter Fleck - SMM wrote:

> Try "tell me to quit"

Nope, it won't quit a script application, as you can see by trying the
following short script:

display dialog "Hello"
tell me to quit        -- NOPE, DOESN'T WORK!

tell me
        quit           -- NOPE, DOESN'T WORK EITHER!
end tell

tell current application to quit    --THREE STRIKES!  DOESN'T WORK EITHER!
display dialog "I wasn't supposed to make it this far!"


How can something that should be so easy to do, be so difficult!  I just
want to exit a script.

peter
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Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 10:03:58 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Neil Christie <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Finding by date created/modified, System 7.5 shutdown items

After reading about the new features in System 7.5 in particular the
shutdown items folder along the lines of the startup items folder.

I began to think what sort of things I could do and decided that an
AppleScript to find all the new files or files modified that day and back
them up would be extremely useful. I would then move copies of these files
to a new folder on the desktop and then use DropStuff=81 or StuffIt Lite=81 =
to
then stuff this and delete the original. I would either file this archive
away or prompt for a floppy if it's not present to archive it onto.

I am able to create the folder, copy things into it and then delete the
folder through Finder Liaison 1.1 and by simulating keystrokes in the
finder through keyquencer although other scripting additions may provide a
direct way of creating and deleting folders? For example I can create and
name a folder on the desktop by using
hide front application
AutoType "n" holding "command"
AutoType "dts tms "
this requires that you launch the script from the finder and that you have
type it 4 me and the application menu osax. This creates a new folder with
a name of the date and time in a short format.

The problem I have with this script is that I can't however find all the
documents that need to be backed up so any suggestions, examples would be
greatly appreciated.

I could use the file commands scripting addition and step through each file
checking its creation and modification dates but that would take too long.
I have also tried the find document scripting addition which looks more
suitable but I can't coerce it into finding all files modified today. Has
anyone already done this, pointers or examples would be appreciated.

Neil Christie       |Voice/Fax: [phone]
14 West Castle Road |E-Mail:    [e-mail]
Edinburgh           |-------------------------------------
EH10 5AU            |Apple Macintosh Centris 660AV 8/230 CD.
Scotland            |System 7.1, running PPP on a 14.4K modem
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Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 10:04:08 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Neil Christie <[e-mail]>
Subject:      =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22StuffIt_Lite=81_=2F_DropStuff=81_examples_=2B_wh
at_?=
              =?iso-8859-1?Q?osax_provided_a_command?=

Has anyone got any example scripts for "StuffIt Lite=81 / DropStuff=81. I kn=
ow
that DropStuff=81 is not completely scriptable but I was trying to get
keyquencer to type the name for the archive which works in other programs
but not here.
This is do with a script to go in the shutdown items folder of system 7.5
that finds all new, modified files and then archives them using "StuffIt
Lite=81

Is there anyway I can find which scripting addition provides a command. I
have 121 scripting additions all together and have big problems when trying
to ask questions or tell someone how to do something. I would ideally like
to type in the command and have the name of the scripting addition
returned. If this cannot be done can it be done from within the script
editor?

Thanks, Neil.

Neil Christie       |Voice/Fax: [phone]
14 West Castle Road |E-Mail:    [e-mail]
Edinburgh           |-------------------------------------
EH10 5AU            |Apple Macintosh Centris 660AV 8/230 CD.
Scotland            |System 7.1, running PPP on a 14.4K modem
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Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 07:55:20 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Andy Cemelli [remote]" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Anyone know of any good "timing" examples? -Reply

In the early betas of AS, there was a folder you could put in your
system folder called something like "Timer Items" or something like
that and each of the items you wanted run at a specific time would be
renamed to that time... so the file would be "[harddisk]:System
Folder:Timer Items:5:00 PM" and it would run at 5pm.  Did this get
dropped from the final?
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Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 05:53:22 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joe Scripter <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AppleScript, HyperCard & MPW

Any Ideas?

I am looking for a scripting solution to what I thought would be an easy
routine....

I would like to be able to execute a script in MPW by way of an AppleScript
event in Hypercard.  I have been able to open MPW and write the the string in
MPW from a script in Hypercard, but I can't figure out a way to execute,
which in MPW is the "enter" key.  Do you know of any resources?

Thanks -

Mike Lennon

K&M Graphics
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Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 09:59:33 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: error number -128 is not quitting the script

When I run the following script:

try
 frobnitz
on error
 display dialog "Sorry"
 error number -128
end try
beep

I do not get a beep after clicking "OK" in the dialog--which is what I would
expect with the "error number -128" line.  Are you sure your statement
includes the word "number?"  One other suggestion: create the dialog with a
single "Cancel" button.

Danny
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Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 09:19:10 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FileBusy osax

Glenn Austin (thanks, Glenn!) has placed an osax on gaea for distribution.
You'll find it in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/osaxen/FileBusy.hqx

Here's a brief description.

FileBusy file descriptor

returns true if the file is currently open (busy), false if the file is not
currently open (not busy).


Enjoy.

pf
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Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 08:33:12 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         MR Mac - Michael Robertson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Grabbing part of a text string.

There must be an easier way then I've devised to get part of a text string.
e.g. I have a string similar to, "Different text in here (everytime)" and I
want to get the contents enclosed in the parenthesis into another string.
Any easy way to do this?
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Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 09:10:20 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Michel <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Finding by date created/modified, System 7.5 shutdown items

>After reading about the new features in System 7.5 in particular the
>shutdown items folder along the lines of the startup items folder.
>

...

>The problem I have with this script is that I can't however find all the
>documents that need to be backed up so any suggestions, examples would be
>greatly appreciated.
>
>I could use the file commands scripting addition and step through each file
>checking its creation and modification dates but that would take too long.
>I have also tried the find document scripting addition which looks more
>suitable but I can't coerce it into finding all files modified today. Has
>anyone already done this, pointers or examples would be appreciated.

Since you're talking about using 7.5 and thus the Scriptable Finder, it's
easy to have the Finder get your list for you. Here's a chunk of code that
finds all files modified since midnight today:

-- first, get a date for midnight
copy date ((current date)'s date string & " 12:00 am") to midnight
-- now have the Finder find all the files modified since then
tell application "Finder"
        copy (every file of entire contents of desktop whose modification
date > midnight) to theFiles
end tell

After running this, the variable theFiles contains the list of files. It's
none too fast (depending on how many files you have on your hard disk), but
the Finder can still do it much faster than AS can looping through every
file.


================================================================
"In order to come up with something that rings true, you would
have to stay out of the way of that information machine that
everyone is plugged into. If you're plugged into the same
information machine, then there's no point to write, 'cause then
everyone knows the same thing."
                                 -- Bob Dylan
================================================================
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 09:09:29 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Alldritt <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Request for osaxen

> ...
>
> - a choose multiple files dialog box (ie, with "Add", "Add All", "Remove"
> and "Remove All" buttons) that allows the user to select folders as well as
> files - a "choose multiple items" dialog would be a more appropriate
> name... The analogous "choose one item" dbox is also an interesting
> addition, and I could use that one instead (on a loop), but I'd rather use
> the "multiple items" one. Finally, either "choose item" dbox should have
> (according to an option set by the scripter) a check box for selecting
> aliases instead of their targets. Another option set by the scripter that
> would be nice to have is one to prevent invisible files and/or folders from
> being listed.
>
> ...

While they don't provide all your ask for here, the Choose Several Files and
Choose Several Folders commands in Script Tools may help.

-Mark
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 09:09:24 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Alldritt <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Anyone know of any good "timing" examples?

Hi,

I've developed a package called Scheduler which allows you to schedule the
execution of scripts (saved as applications).  You can have your scripts
run at specific times, or in response to an array of other events.

A demo copy of Scheduler is available in the AppleScript archive
(gaea.kgs.ukans.edu).

Cheers
-Mark
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Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 10:14:59 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Finding by date created/modified, System 7.5 shutdown items

>After reading about the new features in System 7.5 in particular the
>shutdown items folder along the lines of the startup items folder.
>
>I began to think what sort of things I could do and decided that an
>AppleScript to find all the new files or files modified that day and back
>them up would be extremely useful. I would then move copies of these files
>to a new folder on the desktop and then use DropStuff=81 or StuffIt Lite=81=
 to
>then stuff this and delete the original. I would either file this archive
>away or prompt for a floppy if it's not present to archive it onto.
>
>I am able to create the folder, copy things into it and then delete the
>folder through Finder Liaison 1.1 and by simulating keystrokes in the
>finder through keyquencer although other scripting additions may provide a
>direct way of creating and deleting folders?

Given that you (will) have System 7.5, you will have the "Scriptable
=46inder".  With Scriptable Finder, you can write things like:

tell application "Finder"
    if exists folder "Testing" of startup disk then
        delete folder "Testing" of startup disk
    end if
    set myNewFolder to make new folder at startup disk with properties
{name:"Testing"}
    reveal myNewFolder -- this opens the window for the startup disk,
highlighting the new folder
end tell
myNewFolder


=46inder Liaison is history, IMHO.  So are most needs to use KeyQuencer, et
al, with Finder.  (If you try to create a folder which uses a name already
taken, Finder creates an "untitled Folder", and puts up an alert telling
you the name is taken, please use another, and the script stalls.  So some
way of assuring that the folder's intended name is available is a good
idea.  That test I included isn't a good way...just A way.
   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 10:04:55 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jonathan Levy <[e-mail]>
Subject:      None

                       Subject:                               Time:9:18 AM
  OFFICE MEMO          None                                   Date:8/2/94
>>Bill Nye <[e-mail]> asks:
>>
>>Is buying QuicKeys 3.0.1 (list $169) enough to get me the Apple-scriptable
>>QuicKeys product that is regularly discussed in this mailing list?
>
>I don't understand why anyone familiar with AppleScript would be interested
>in spending $$$ for Quickkeys when they have the same functionality for
>less money and without any new inits from the AutoType/AutoClick OSAXEN.
>
>-Dave
>(a satisfied AutoType customer)

There are quite a few applications that require a better bridge to scripting
than some of the osaxen provide. I deal alot with routines in Photoshop in
which I could only create macros in Quickeys (or Photomatic, which is a
macro player specifically written for Photoshop but is not really
scriptable). I use applescript as the glue to bind all of these Quickey
macros, and it acceptably works.

To answer the question, Quickeys 3.x has a system extension, "Quickeys
Toolbox" that is able to communicate with applescript. For Quickeys 2.x,
there was created a system extension called "CEAIC" which provides the same
functionality to QK 2.x under a different name. I honestly do not know the
differences between the two extensions.
The advantages to having the updated version of Quickeys is the extended
functionality. You can even call Applescript scripts from within QK. QK
macros can also be written and called in a Quickeys Script. There are quite
a few more additions to QK 3.x, but I couldn't elaborate. I can say,
however, that if you have the earlier version, you should upgrade.
In a perfect world, every application would be applevent aware and OSA
compliant, but ours isn't.


[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 13:42:42 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Lee Hoong <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Grabbing part of a text string.

>There must be an easier way then I've devised to get part of a text string.
>e.g. I have a string similar to, "Different text in here (everytime)" and I
>want to get the contents enclosed in the parenthesis into another string.
>Any easy way to do this?

I don't know how you're currently extracting the sub-string, but this works
for me:

set thestring to "Different text in here (everytime)"

set openparen to (offset in thestring of "(")
set closeparen to (offset in thestring of ")")

set extracted to (text from character (openparen + 1) to character
(closeparen - 1) of thestring)

extracted

Lee.

Lee K. Hoong
Emory University
Atlanta, GA 30322
Internet: [e-mail]
AOL: LHOONG
==========================
Opinions and comments expressed are mine; I do not represent Emory
University.
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 11:26:38 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Get foo as {bar, baz}

   The Apple Event Registry defines the optional parameter to the Get Data
event as being a list of types, in order of preference.  The target
application is supposed to return the desired data in the type requested by
the left-most item in the list which it CAN use to represent the data.  [It
is not an error if the first type[s] in the list are impossible, only if
all of them are.]

   I have written a small application (would you believe a scriptable,
recordable "TrafficLight"--the old (mid 1980s) MPW "Sample" program) which
implements the get data event this way.  And it seems to work correctly
when I use Frontier to build and send test events:

with objectModel
    appleEvent ('JBtl', 'core', 'getd', '----', objspec (version), 'rtyp',
{ 'xxxx', stringType})

does return the application version as a string, bypassing the impossible
type 'xxxx'.

   The equivalent AppleScript would be something like:

tell application "TrafficLight"
    get version as {=ABclass xxxx=BB, string}
end tell

but there is a syntax error reported on the {.  [Leaving out the =ABclass
xxxx=BB doesn't help:  {string} also produces the syntax error.]

I first just copied the definition of the get event from the English
Terminology.r header (the English version of the 'aeut'), into my 'aete' (I
only support get and set from the standard events (core) suite, at the
moment).  Then I adjusted the type of the optional "as" parameter to list,
rather than type, so the Dictionary now says:

get: Get the data for an object
    get  reference  -- the object whose data is to be returned
        [as  list]  -- the desired types for the data, in order of preferenc=
e
    Result:   anything  -- the data from the object

That doesn't allow a list after the as (neither does [as anything]...just
tried that).

So am I missing some AppleScript syntax, or is AppleScript 1.1 convinced
incorrectly that a class name must follow the as?

Shouldn't the 'aeut' match the Registry on this matter?

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 13:47:07 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Rob Dewhirst <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Basic Questions

Peter Fleck writes:

>I log on a local TeleFinder BBS. TeleFinder is similar to First Class
>in that it gives the user a Mac-like interface. After downloading a
>bunch of files, I want TeleFinder to hang up the modem. TF does have a
>dictionary and it includes a Hang Up command.
>
>The problem is there is no way to tell when the download is done.
>First I tried sending Hang Up during the download, thinking it
>wouldn't activate until the download finished but no such luck. It
>hung up during the download.

Peter,

You might find an easier way to do this is to use Telefinder Pro, which
has its own built-in scripting language that includes the RECVMAC command.

TF Pro has a built-in terminal emulator and simple scripting language that
can be called from AppleScript.  You might find it easier to do all of your
file downloading from a terminal script, and use GUI for all other tasks.

It does seem silly that there is no "receive file" command for Telefinder.


I put Telefinder Pro 2.2.3 on gaea.
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 08:50:18 -1000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Pete Hinely <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Grabbing part of a text string.
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

The following works fine:

set thestring to "Different text in here (everytime)"

set oldDelimiters to AppleScript's text item delimiters
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to "("
set partialText to 2nd text item of thestring
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to ")"
set enclosedText to 1st text item of partialText
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to oldDelimiters

display dialog enclosedText
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 09:05:15 -1000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Pete Hinely <[e-mail]>
Subject:      How to get list of running apps

How do I get a list of the currently running applications?

I suppose I will have to resort to an osax.  It looks like Jon's Commands
doesn't do it, so which osaxen can do such a thing?

Thanks,
peter
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 14:17:06 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: How to get list of running apps
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Tue, 02 Aug 94 09:05:15 -1100"

Peter,

>How do I get a list of the currently running applications?
>
>I suppose I will have to resort to an osax.  It looks like Jon's Commands
>doesn't do it, so which osaxen can do such a thing?

Use the Processes osax in Mark Alldritt's Script Tools collection.

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/osaxen/ScriptTools1.3.sit.hqx

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 12:22:12 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: How to get list of running apps

At  9:05 8/2/94 -1000, Pete Hinely wrote:
>How do I get a list of the currently running applications?
>
>I suppose I will have to resort to an osax.  It looks like Jon's Commands
>doesn't do it, so which osaxen can do such a thing?

*grin* just found that today.  RunningApps, part of the Sweet Suite
(available on gaea)

-roy
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 09:22:04 -1000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Pete Hinely <[e-mail]>
Subject:      My folder and file processor

The following is a little AppleScript that I wrote that can be used to
recursively process folders and files.  It only requires the "File
Commands" scripting addition that comes with AppleScript.  Maybe someone
has better solution, but feel free to use my code from this example.

-------------------------------------------------------
on RecursionNavigate(theFilesAndFolders)
    repeat with currentItem in theFilesAndFolders
        if (info for currentItem) is folder then
            set folderContents to (list folder (currentItem))
            set fullPathNameList to {}
            repeat with i in folderContents
                set fullPathName to (currentItem as string) & i
                if (info for fullPathName) is folder then
                    set fullPathName to (fullPathName as string) & ":"
                end if
                set end of fullPathNameList to fullPathName
            end repeat
            RecursionNavigate(fullPathNameList)
        else
            Process(currentItem)    --This is the action to do to files!
        end if
    end repeat
end RecursionNavigate
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 14:27:13 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      new items on gaea

I've placed the latest version of KeyQuencer on gaea. You'll find it in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/addons/keyquencher12.hqx
ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/addons/keyquencherfatmacroeditor12.hqx

You will also find Telefinder Pro in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/addons/TeleFinderPro2.2.3.sit.hqx


pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 17:12:50 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         [e-mail]
Subject:      Rebuild Desktop -> Extensions Off

     I know that you can rebuild the desktop using AS by tossing out the
desktop files.  Is there any way to do the same for extensions off?
     I find writing a script to rebuild much easier than sitting, waiting,
holding down keys.  I'd like the same convenience for extensions off.
     Even if not possible with AS, is there anyway to have it restart with
extensions off other than holding down the shift key?

Thanks!  :)

~Shaddar
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 09:12:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript, HyperCard & MPW

Mike Lennon asks:

>I would like to be able to execute a script in MPW by way of an AppleScript
>event in Hypercard.  I have been able to open MPW and write the the string in
>MPW from a script in Hypercard, but I can't figure out a way to execute,
>which in MPW is the "enter" key.  Do you know of any resources?

MPW supports the "do script" AppleEvent. You can use this to feed a shell
script sequence to execute. This can be a multi-line sequence if you want.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 14:52:12 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Rebuild Desktop -> Extensions Off

At 17:12 8/2/94 -0400, [e-mail] wrote:
>     I know that you can rebuild the desktop using AS by tossing out the
>desktop files.

Something we here found just very recently: There's an even easier way that
doesn't involve rebooting your Mac:

Quit all applications
Force-quit Finder
While finder is coming up, holding down cmd & opt (like you would do when
rebooting)

Your mac will go on to rebuild the desktop files, and you save quite a bit
of time (My mac is so cluttered with extensions that it takes it a bit to
come up).

>Is there any way to do the same for extensions off?

Can't you just rename the Extensions folder? Actually, if you want to be
really neat, you can make it toggle ... something like (in pseudo-english):

set MyName to "Extensions.ASDis"
set mPath to (item 1 of (list disks)) & ":System Folder:"
set NewName to mPath & MyName
set OldName to "Extensions"

if NewName exists then
        renameFile NewName to OldName
else
        rename (mPath & OldName) to MyName
end if

The whole thing revolves around renameFile, which Jon was gracious enough
to supply -- check out Jon's Commands (a truly awesome scripting component.
 What's the singular of OSAX anyway?)

-roy
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 15:07:00 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript, HyperCard & MPW

>Mike Lennon asks:
>
>>I would like to be able to execute a script in MPW by way of an AppleScript
>>event in Hypercard.  I have been able to open MPW and write the the string in
>>MPW from a script in Hypercard, but I can't figure out a way to execute,
>>which in MPW is the "enter" key.  Do you know of any resources?
>
>MPW supports the "do script" AppleEvent. You can use this to feed a shell
>script sequence to execute. This can be a multi-line sequence if you want.

Sufficiently old versions of MPW and ToolServer seriously hosed the reply
event to a do script in the face of error conditions in the script (and
sometimes no error conditions, too).  [Current versions seem fine.]

One of the old ToolServer versions was, I think, my favorite:  it appeared
to have a two-byte error code variable, and put the 'errn' into the reply
as a 4-byte ('long') value by using AEPutParamPtr () pointing at the error
code variable and specifying 'long' as the type and 4 as the length,
thereby putting out a non-zero 'errn' only the top two bytes of which
mattered.

Fine in current versions...beware of odd effects with older ones.
   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 18:12:43 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Duffield <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Rebuild Desktop -> Extensions Off
In-Reply-To:  "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]> "Re: Rebuild Desktop
              -> Extensions Off" (Aug  2,  2:52pm)

On Aug 2,  2:52pm, Roy S. Rapoport wrote:
> Subject: Re: Rebuild Desktop -> Extensions Off
> At 17:12 8/2/94 -0400, [e-mail] wrote:
> >     I know that you can rebuild the desktop using AS by tossing out the
> >desktop files.
>
> Something we here found just very recently: There's an even easier way that
> doesn't involve rebooting your Mac:
>
> Quit all applications
> Force-quit Finder
> While finder is coming up, holding down cmd & opt (like you would do when
> rebooting)
>
> Your mac will go on to rebuild the desktop files, and you save quite a bit
> of time (My mac is so cluttered with extensions that it takes it a bit to
> come up).
>

This is NOT the same as rebooting with cmd-opt held down.  I don't know the
entire explanation of this, but as I understand it there are times when
you will not get a complete rebuild of your desktop files when rebuilt in this
manner.

[Discussion of Extension Folder renaming omitted to save bandwidth]

> -roy
>-- End of excerpt from Roy S. Rapoport




--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Mark J. Duffield                    | [e-mail]
 Sr. Systems Analyst                 |
 Preclinical Scientific Computing    | MIME Spoken here.
 Parke Davis Pharmaceutical Research |
 Ann Arbor, MI  48105                |
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 15:24:57 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Rebuild Desktop -> Extensions Off

At 18:12 8/2/94 -0400, Mark Duffield wrote:
>This is NOT the same as rebooting with cmd-opt held down.  I don't know the
>entire explanation of this, but as I understand it there are times when
>you will not get a complete rebuild of your desktop files when rebuilt in this
>manner.

Well, umm, if you say so.   Do you know where I could find an explanation
of why it's not the same?

-roy
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 17:20:50 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Hon, Michael T" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: An Applescript to play a System 7 2x clickable sound -
              possible?

MR Mac - Michael Robertson <[e-mail]> sez:

> I need a script to play a System 7 sound file. You know the ones you can
> double click and automatically play. Any ideas?

In GTQ, there's a play sound OSAX.  It's dictionary:

play: plays a specified sound stored in a sound file
        play  reference  -- reference to the sound you want to play within the
specified file
                [in  file specification]  -- the file containing the sound (if n
o file is
specified, the system sound list is used)
                [at volume  small integer]  -- sound volume to play the sound at

The way to make it work, given a sound file "Hard Drive:Sounds:R&S:joyyy!!!"
would be:

play every sound in "Hard Drive:Sounds:R&S:joyyy!!!"

The "every" bit is key.

HTH.

--
Mike Hon
Software Consultant                                 [e-mail]
Precision Task Group  Houston, TX                                  713/560-3017
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 10:39:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Rebuild Desktop -> Extensions Off

"Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]> asks:

>At 18:12 8/2/94 -0400, Mark Duffield wrote:
>>This is NOT the same as rebooting with cmd-opt held down.
>
>Well, umm, if you say so.   Do you know where I could find an explanation
>of why it's not the same?

As I understand it, the difference is that command-option doesn't create
new "Desktop DB" and "Desktop DF" files, it simply tries to clear out the
contents of the existing files and reuse them. However, there are situations
where this doesn't clear up the corruption that may occur. Thus, to be safe,
you need to delete these desktop files and force the system to create new ones.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 17:52:54 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Michael Clasen <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Rebuild Desktop -> Extensions Off

>On Aug 2,  2:52pm, Roy S. Rapoport wrote:
>> Subject: Re: Rebuild Desktop -> Extensions Off
>> At 17:12 8/2/94 -0400, [e-mail] wrote:
>> >     I know that you can rebuild the desktop using AS by tossing out the
>> >desktop files.
>>
>> Something we here found just very recently: There's an even easier way that
>> doesn't involve rebooting your Mac:
>>
>> Quit all applications
>> Force-quit Finder
>> While finder is coming up, holding down cmd & opt (like you would do when
>> rebooting)
>>
>> Your mac will go on to rebuild the desktop files, and you save quite a bit
>> of time (My mac is so cluttered with extensions that it takes it a bit to
>> come up).
>>
>
>This is NOT the same as rebooting with cmd-opt held down.  I don't know the
>entire explanation of this, but as I understand it there are times when
>you will not get a complete rebuild of your desktop files when rebuilt in this
>manner.
>
>[Discussion of Extension Folder renaming omitted to save bandwidth]
==========================================
Sometimes this will hang the Mac; be sure to quit all applications before
trying this. The best rebuild is to turn off all extensions and the rebuild
on reboot. I have been told this is the cleanest rebuild. Diskdoubler also
used to distribute a Desktop Reset to do a complete rebuild; I think it
deleted the desktop database, if I remember correctly.
That's all for now

-------
Michael A. Clasen   |  Voice - 1-415-703-8736
Clement Mok Design  |  Fax   - 1-415-703-9901
600 Townsend St.    |  Internet: [e-mail]
-------------------------------------------------
Play for me, oh sweetest lute and lift away all strife
Ply for me to celebrate the joyousness of life
MP-C --1994
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 22:59:52 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: My folder and file processor
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Pete Hinely" at Aug 2, 94 09:22:04 am

--Pete Hinely wrote:
>
>The following is a little AppleScript that I wrote that can be used to
>recursively process folders and files.  It only requires the "File
>Commands" scripting addition that comes with AppleScript.  Maybe someone
>has better solution, but feel free to use my code from this example.

    Well, your's looks pretty good, but you really need to take a look
at the walk folders OSAX. It's part of Jon's Commands and it does what
you want without using Apple Events to do all of the recursion. It makes
for a much more elegent solution. At least with the current version of
AppleScript.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 23:00:44 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Rebuild Desktop -> Extensions Off
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Roy S. Rapoport" at Aug 2, 94 02:52:12 pm

--Roy S. Rapoport wrote:
>
>What's the singular of OSAX anyway?)

    OSAX is singular. The plural is OSAXEN.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 23:39:15 CDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Peter Fleck - SMM <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: How to get list of running apps

GTQ Scripting Library has the List Applications OSAX for providing all running
applications. It also has an Is Running OSAX (I may not have the exact name)
for querying about a specific application.

Peter
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 20:02:16 -1000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Pete Hinely <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: My folder and file processor
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

>
>     Well, your's looks pretty good, but you really need to take a look
> at the walk folders OSAX. It's part of Jon's Commands and it does what
> you want without using Apple Events to do all of the recursion. It makes
> for a much more elegent solution. At least with the current version of
> AppleScript.
>
> -Hades
>

As Jon Pugh, the author of Jon's Commands, has confirmed, the "walk
folders" command does not work in all instances.  I started out trying to
use his command for my MacPGP scripts. As I remember, with the "walk
folder" command you cannot access a global variable from within script you
are processing the files or folders with.

-peter
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 23:46:16 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: How does AS know which osax to use?

>From:    "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
>>how does AS know which osax to choose from when asked to perform a command?
>>For example, Apple's System Object Suite, The Sweet Suite (by Gerry Davis)
>>and the Script Tools Suite (by Mark Alldritt) all define a 'choose folder'
>>command ***with the same syntax***. If one has all of these in the
>>Scripting Additions folder, how does AS decide which to use?
>
>Jon Pugh no doubt knows, but...most likely, either the first or last osax
>encountered which uses a given syntax for a particular event class/event id
>pair will be chosen.  So long as they do the same thing, it really doesn't
>matter.

The problem is when one of them has bugs and you would like to throw away
the culprit.  Luckily, the choose folder command is pretty simple.  ;)

The trouble is, I don't really know which it is, first or last.  I've never
cared.  I follow John's advice below, which is to not pollute your
Scripting Additions folder.  John and I had a nice discussion some time ago
about how the loading mechanism is done.  It makes it simple enough to
install needed osaxen when the time comes.  I only install what I'm using
and pull things that don't work.

>This issue has led me to do three things:
>
>1.  Keep the Scripting Additions folder as empty as possible.  (For
>example, I have the GTQ library...I have only about two of the pieces
>installed at the moment.)
>
>2.  Not add to the supply.
>
>3.  Use Finder labels to mark the non-Apple Additions I do have, so I can
>find them quickly and rip them out.

My plan is to someday (after I burn out from too much work, which may be
soon) finish my class info osaxen which will allow scripts to police the
installed osaxen.  They should also be able to install things too, but
getting them to work in the executing script would be tricky.  I think it
could be done with another osax, but couldn't everything?

Life goes on...

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 23:46:20 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Frontier records & lists

>From:    "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
>
>>I have question regarding accessing a list of records in Frontier.
>>When scripting Quark, you can do something like
>>
>>   get(page[1].picturebox[color == "foo"].name)
>>
>>and you will be returned a list of the names of all the picture boxes one
>>page 1 that have the color "foo".
>
>That is achieved through a collaboration (on one of two levels) between
>(speaking carelessly) the Apple Event Manager and the Application.
>[Really, it's a part of the AE Manager which appears as a separate
>library.].  I suspect XPress uses the faster level (in which the
>application somehow marks elements for further consideration) rather than
>the slower level (in which the Manager has to ask for individual
>comparisons for each and every element to be tested).

Actually, I believe that Quark's scripting author Dave Shaver wrote his own
replacement of the OSL (the Open Scripting Library which implements the
object specifier routines in Inside Macintosh - InterApplication
Communication) since the Apple OSL isn't all it could be.  It's faster than
the OSL and probably has its own quirks.  ;)

Jon
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Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 1994 23:46:37 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Get foo as {bar, baz}

>From:    "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
>
>   The Apple Event Registry defines the optional parameter to the Get Data
>event as being a list of types, in order of preference.  The target
>application is supposed to return the desired data in the type requested by
>the left-most item in the list which it CAN use to represent the data.  [It
>is not an error if the first type[s] in the list are impossible, only if
>all of them are.]
>
>...
>
>So am I missing some AppleScript syntax, or is AppleScript 1.1 convinced
>incorrectly that a class name must follow the as?
>
>Shouldn't the 'aeut' match the Registry on this matter?

Actually, the aete and the aeut are pretty immaterial when building events
and object specifiers.  All the terminology resources provide is a mapping
from text to codes.  Events are idnetified by comparing the term you typed
against the terms in the scope of your tell block.  Once the event is
found, parameters are added with the only structure imposed by
AppleScript's rules.  None of the events are checked for required
parameters or anything.  All of that is left for the app to implement.

The as issue is simply an oversight.  I didn't remember this tidbit from
the Registry and I don't think the rest of the team did either.  The way it
seems to have been remembered and implemented is as a single prefered type.
That's how I implemented it in PhotoFlash too.  It would be trivial to fix
it in the app, but since AppleScript seems to be suffering from the same
limitation, its of questionable worth.  In addition, it appears that it is
most often the case (in my script writing experience) that you either want
data as a single specific type.  Using a list seems like unnecessary
overkill, despite the usefullness.  You can also use try/catch to deal with
multiple types, so it's not crippling.

Jon
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Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 08:11:39 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Get foo as {bar, baz}

At 23:46 8/2/94 -0700, Jon Pugh wrote:
>The as issue is simply an oversight.  I didn't remember this tidbit from
>the Registry and I don't think the rest of the team did either.  The way it
>seems to have been remembered and implemented is as a single prefered type.
>That's how I implemented it in PhotoFlash too.  It would be trivial to fix
>it in the app, but since AppleScript seems to be suffering from the same
>limitation, its of questionable worth.  In addition, it appears that it is
>most often the case (in my script writing experience) that you either want
>data as a single specific type.  Using a list seems like unnecessary
>overkill, despite the usefullness.  You can also use try/catch to deal with
>multiple types, so it's not crippling.

I had forgotten, too.  I implemented the handling of the 'rtyp' parameter
as if it should be a single typeType...then I went back and read the
Registry (and was rather surprised).  And re-implemented.  [Frontier's
core.get () glue coerces the as parameter to a string4 (typeType), so it
too doesn't deal with the list case...I had to use a "raw" Frontier
appleEvent () verb to test my toy app.]

I think I'll implement per the Registry in the future, even though
AppleScript can't express the list form (as of 1.1).  Just in case some
client program makes the call, rather than a scripting system.  [It's a
little hard to conceive of a scripting situation in which one would want a
list of types there, unless (I suppose) one wanted to cover an earlier and
a later version of some application which provide different types for some
object or property.]

Thanks, Jon.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
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Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 08:17:48 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: How does AS know which osax to use?

At 23:46 8/2/94 -0700, Jon Pugh wrote:
>The trouble is, I don't really know which it is, first or last.  I've never
>cared.  I follow John's advice below, which is to not pollute your
>Scripting Additions folder.  John and I had a nice discussion some time ago
>about how the loading mechanism is done.  It makes it simple enough to
>install needed osaxen when the time comes.  I only install what I'm using
>and pull things that don't work.

Hmm.  Good advice.   One question:

I've got a bunch of OSAXEN (my policy up to now, unfortunatelly, has been
to install things if they look cool :) ).  I've got no real idea which are
used by each script, and this can be important, because I'm exporting these
scripts to various other machines at work.  As it is, my current policy on
that is to periodically install *all* the osaxen I have on my machine on
the other machines, but I'd love to find a way to find which osaxen a
script is using.

Any way to do that?

-roy
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Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 08:56:28 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Michel <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Rebuild Desktop -> Extensions Off

Michael Clasen wrote:

>The best rebuild is to turn off all extensions and the rebuild
>on reboot. I have been told this is the cleanest rebuild.
>


One problem with rebuilding the desktop with Extensions off occurs if you
use Macintosh Easy Open, which will be included with 7.5. MEO rebuilds the
desktop _differently_ than normally. Thus, if you rebuild w/o Extensions,
the next time you restart _with_ extensions, MEO will force a rebuild.

I found a trick with 7.1: create a file (with anything) named Desktop at
the top level of your hard disk. On the next rebuild, the Finder will see
that this file is newer than the DB and DF files, and rebuild the desktop.
This also works with 7.5 (though not all programs will let you replace the
existing Desktop file at the top of the disk.

So, given this, I tried using the Scriptable Finder to create a new
"desktop" file at the top of the disk. This didn't work, because SF won't
let you replace an invisible file. So, I used the Read/Write Commands OSAX
to write a single space to the desktop file, thus changing its modification
date. Here, then, is a script that does this:

        copy alias ((path to startup disk as text) & "desktop") to desktopfile
        open for access desktopfile with write permission
        write " " to desktopfile -- so the modification date is changed
        close access desktopfile

        tell application "Finder"
                restart
        end tell

I have tested this, though not extensively, and it works on my system; your
mileage may vary. One thing that should be added is a check to make sure
the desktop file exists. Otherwise, simply save it as an application,
double-click on it, and the Mac restarts & the desktop file is rebuilt.

BTW, an early beta of the Scriptable Finder had a "rebuild desktop
database" command. There were a bunch of problems with this (not the least
was you had to set a very large timeout figure to keep the script from
erroring, and the fact that it didn't take into account the MEO portion of
the desktop files), and it was removed.

Steve
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Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 10:59:44 CDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Taylor Leaming H3-283 <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Visual cues that an AppleScript is running

Greetings,

I know this may sound like a lame question, and there may even be such
something out there somewhere already that does this, but I don't have a lot
of time to go hunting (and I'm not as involved in AS'ing as many of you
obviously are) and this is certainly the right place to ask:

Is there some extension, OSAX or such that will give me a visual indication
that an AppleScript is running, other than a generic spinning cursor?

This is bad, since my wife (and myself) will routinely use some AppleScripts
that I have written for SITcomm to automate connections and such, but on
occassion the actions will fail and AS will continue to run until it times
out.  She (i) will notice this, and, forgetting that AS is still running
try to do whatever and can't until the script has been terminated.
A visual indicator besides the boring spinning cursor would be very useful.

For example, a little AppleScript icon in the menu bar that blinks on and off,
or a trite message or even just the AS name, in the same fashion as SuperClock,
in the menu bar.  Perhaps maybe a dialog box with a CANCEL to obviously kill
the script.

Does anybody have suggestions, ideas or solutions?

Thanks in advance,

Taylor


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    +-----------------------------------------------------------------+
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Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 11:05:08 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Visual cues that an AppleScript is running

>Greetings,
>
>I know this may sound like a lame question, and there may even be such
>something out there somewhere already that does this, but I don't have a lot
>of time to go hunting (and I'm not as involved in AS'ing as many of you
>obviously are) and this is certainly the right place to ask:
>
>Is there some extension, OSAX or such that will give me a visual indication
>that an AppleScript is running, other than a generic spinning cursor?

One possibility is the ProgressBar application, which puts up a (surprise!)
progress bar window.  You control a couple of lines of caption (and the
window title), and the current amount of progress with AppleScript
commands.

It's on gaea, somewhere in the /applescript area.  Unfortunately, gaea is
either sick or overloaded at the moment (it produces an effect I haven't
seen before, using Anarchie), so I can't give you the path.

   --John


--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
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Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 08:14:37 -1000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Pete Hinely <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Rebuild Desktop -> Extensions Off
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Wed, 3 Aug 1994, Steve Michel wrote:
>
> So, given this, I tried using the Scriptable Finder to create a new
> "desktop" file at the top of the disk. This didn't work, because SF won't
> let you replace an invisible file. So, I used the Read/Write Commands OSAX
> to write a single space to the desktop file, thus changing its modification

Another cool goody from the Finder Scripting Toolkit....  Instead of using
the Scriptable Finder to restart, just use the normal Finder to do it.


tell application "Finder" to <<event FNDRrest>>

-peter


P.S. Replace the "<<" with an option-backslash and the ">>" with a
shift-option-backslash in the script editor.
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Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 14:30:04 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Visual cues that an AppleScript is running
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Wed, 03 Aug 94 11:05:08 PDT"

John Baxter said....

>It's on gaea, somewhere in the /applescript area.  Unfortunately, gaea is
>either sick or overloaded at the moment (it produces an effect I haven't
>seen before, using Anarchie), so I can't give you the path.


ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/scriptableapps/ProgressBar.101.hqx
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Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 15:38:10 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Kevin A. Gemeinhart" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Value Lists in FMPro via AS

Does anyone out there know how to access the value list of a FMPro field
using AppleScript?

Thanks,

Kevin
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Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 15:57:37 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kim-son Tran <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Sample Scripts

Does anyone out there have any sample scripts which incorporates the process of
editing text files without the use of a scriptable text editor. I'm trying to
design a droplet which will read a text file and find either a character or a
word within a text file and delete/replace them.

I know that Script Tools 1.3 has the File IO addition which can facilitate
reading/writing of text files but I'm not too clear on how to use the read/write
and position calls to do editing. Should I be using this OSAX or something else?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Internet:   [e-mail] or [e-mail]
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Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 15:50:07 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Comments:     Resent-From: Atul Butte <ATUL@BROWNVM>
Comments:     Originally-From: Atul Butte <ATUL@BROWNVM>
From:         Atul Butte <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Some answers for [Re: More on Frontier & TCP/IP]

>There's an obvious problem with this script: it depends on coarse
>timing figures to determine if the connection has finished.  Basically,
>if nothing's come over the line in 10 seconds, it assumes the transfer
>is done.  I'm still trying to understand the TCP osax interface to
>determine if there's a better way to check for connection closure.

There are two better ways:

First, in your loop, you could repeat while (connection status of (tcp
   status stream <yourstream> ) = Connected

(i don't have the exact syntax in front of me at this moment).  tcp status
will return a stream status record with the current status of the stream
(including how many bytes are waiting to be read, whether the connection is
still up, to whom are we talking, etc).

However, the second, and better way, is to do something like:
tcp receive stream <yourstream> destination file "your file name" maximum
seconds 20

This will tell the osax to automatically download all remaining data on the
stream into the file you specify UNTIL EITHER the connection is closed OR
20 seconds go by without any new data.

Hope these tips are helpful.

Atul  (author of that tcp osax...)
[e-mail]

P.S.  I ACTUALLY have a script working that will TELNET to a NeXT computer...
now once I make sure it works for other hosts, I will release it.  Also,
I know I promised those FaceSpan/TCPIP projects... I'll release them as
soon as possible...
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 16:18:19 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Myers <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Some answers for [Re: More on Frontier & TCP/IP]

>There are two better ways:
>
>First, in your loop, you could repeat while (connection status of (tcp
>   status stream <yourstream> ) = Connected


It seems to me that I played around with this, but in Frontier you
don't get "Connected", but rather a binary value.  While I'm sure
that value could be interpreted bit-wise to recover the necessary
status info, I haven't had a chance to dig deeper.  (My memory
of this is hazy now, but I *think* this was how it worked.)


>
>(i don't have the exact syntax in front of me at this moment).  tcp status
>will return a stream status record with the current status of the stream
>(including how many bytes are waiting to be read, whether the connection is
>still up, to whom are we talking, etc).
>
>However, the second, and better way, is to do something like:
>tcp receive stream <yourstream> destination file "your file name" maximum
>seconds 20
>
>This will tell the osax to automatically download all remaining data on the
>stream into the file you specify UNTIL EITHER the connection is closed OR
>20 seconds go by without any new data.
>


This works great, except it doesn't run asynchronously.  If you want to
do stuff while the transfer goes on in the background, you're out of
luck.

-David.


____________________________________________________

David C. Myers
[e-mail]
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Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 10:22:02 -1000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Pete Hinely <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Sample Scripts
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Wed, 3 Aug 1994, Kim-son Tran wrote:

> Does anyone out there have any sample scripts which incorporates the process o
> editing text files without the use of a scriptable text editor. I'm trying to
> design a droplet which will read a text file and find either a character or a
> word within a text file and delete/replace them.
>

One way to do it is with the Read/Write scripting addition that comes with
AS 1.1.  Basically what you do is read in the text using the delimiter
that would make things easiest.  If the word your looking for has quotes
around it, read using " as a delimiter.  I think you can use spaces and
line returns as delimiters also.

So you read using the delimiter, and modify the item you want. Then you
write the file out using a loop to process the delimited text list.  You
must add the delimiter back in after you write each item of the list.

It sounds harder than it is.  If you want some code, I can post it.
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 13:32:42 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      What is FrontMost

And where can I get it?
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 10:43:48 -1000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Pete Hinely <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Sample Scripts
In-Reply-To:  <Pine.3.89.9408032016.A22200-0100000@abdallah>

On Wed, 3 Aug 1994, Borre Ludvigsen wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Aug 1994, Pete Hinely wrote:
>
> > It sounds harder than it is.  If you want some code, I can post it.
>
> yes please - trying to fix Norwegian characters and quotes is killing me.
>

Aren't there any scriptable apps out there that will find and
replace?  That might be an easier and faster route.

I doubt if this code will help you change norwegian quotes, but here it
is anyway.

You will have to expand the following code to work for a more generalized
case. This example finds the first AND ONLY quoted word in a file and
replaces it.

set delimitedTextList to read configFile as text using delimiters {"\""}
--set oldWord to item 2 of delimitedTextList

display dialog "Enter new word:" default answer ""
set newWord to (text returned of result)

open for access configFile with write permission
write 1st item of delimitedTextList & "\"" to configFile
set positionMarker to (length of first item of delimitedTextList) + 2
write newWord & "\"" to configFile starting at positionMarker
set positionMarker to positionMarker + (length of newWord) + 1
write 3rd item of delimitedTextList to configFile starting at positionMarker
close access configFile


That's all folks...
peter
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Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 16:55:48 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tom Emerson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Sample Scripts

>
>Aren't there any scriptable apps out there that will find and
>replace?  That might be an easier and faster route.
>

BBEdit 3.0's search/replace facility is scriptable and should work in this case.

        -tre

---
Tom Emerson                                              Software Engineer
Development Tools Group                               Symantec Corporation
                          [e-mail]
  "I dreamed I had to take a test, in a Dairy Queen, on another planet."
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Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 14:51:23 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Matt Stevens <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Error Number please...

Could somebody please email me the text explanation of error number -20013,
I'm out of the office until Monday so I can't look anything up.  Thanks!
--
matt
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Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 18:02:13 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         anthony brown <[e-mail]>
Subject:      fm pro printing

can anyone out there tell me what I am doing wrong?
I am trying to send fmpro a the print command from a script.

this is what I am using:

set temp to my currentRecordNumber as integer
tell application "filemaker pro"
print record temp
end tell

this goes to the print dialog box, and after I press the return button, I
get an error -1700 which is cant make some data into the expected type.

What am I doing wrong?
Anthony

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*  Anthony Brown, Macintosh Programming Intern, Harvard Universtiy  *
*                                                                   *
*  "Classic Rock Music Stations,  The 70's are calling,             *
*   They want their 8 - Tracks back!"                               *
*                                                                   *
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Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 16:39:56 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Some answers for [Re: More on Frontier & TCP/IP]

>>There are two better ways:
>>
>>First, in your loop, you could repeat while (connection status of (tcp
>>   status stream <yourstream> ) = Connected
>
>
>It seems to me that I played around with this, but in Frontier you
>don't get "Connected", but rather a binary value.  While I'm sure
>that value could be interpreted bit-wise to recover the necessary
>status info, I haven't had a chance to dig deeper.  (My memory
>of this is hazy now, but I *think* this was how it worked.)

If you capture one of these, and let us know what the binary type is (the
code in [....] after the binary in the Kind column of the table holding the
value) and perhaps its contents
    clipboard.putValue (string (theCellHoldingTheValue))
will copy it to the clipboard, we can probably figure out what it is.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
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Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 20:06:40 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         [e-mail]
Subject:      Re: Rebuild Desktop -> Extensions Off

Meanwhile, back to the original topic of this thread, does anyone else know
of any way to restart with extensions off without moving them out of the
extensions folder or renaming it?  From what I've seen, restarting with
extensions off is different from emptying your extensions folder, it seems to
leave some vital processes running.

~Shaddar
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Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 17:48:32 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Michael Clasen <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Creating Drag and drop Applets

I have been trying to create a drag and drop applet which will mount a
volume, copy the folder dropped on the applet, and then unmount the volume.
>
Its not working very well. Any suggestions? I greatly appreciate the lists
help.
Problems with the duplicate folder command and then the put away disk, when
it works, puts away the volume too fast. I am trying to use copydoubler to
copy files faster and the app is left hanging after the process is started.
Thanks in advance.
>
>on open FolderName
>        set FolderToCopy to FolderName as string
>        copy (list disks) to DiskList
>
>        if DiskList does not contain "MacDrop" then
>                tell application "Finder"
>                        open alias "MACsmac:Aliases:MacDrop alias"
>                end tell
>                copy (list disks) to DiskList
>                if DiskList does not contain "MacDrop" then
>                        display dialog "That volume does not seem to be
>available right now!" & return & "Hmmmmm..."
>
>                else if DiskList contains "MacDrop" then
>                        tell application "Finder"
>                                duplicate folder FolderName to folder
>"MacDrop" of disk "CMd Portable 170"
>                                put away disk "MacDrop"
>                        end tell
>                end if
>        end if
>        beep
>end open
>

suggestions

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Ply for me to celebrate the joyousness of life
MP-C --1994
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Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 18:05:31 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Birch <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Where to get Scriptable Finder

I've seen many references to the Scriptable Finder on this list, some of
which have stated that it is readily available. Where might that be? I'm
ready to try some things that require scripting the Finder, so I'd like to
get my hands on it. What other System requirements are there for working
with it?
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 18:05:34 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Birch <[e-mail]>
Subject:      gaea ftp error

I have a problem logging onto the gaea ftp server, and I'm wondering if
anyone can give me a clue as to what it is. Whenever I use Fetch to attempt
a logon, I get an error dialog that tells me: "Server response: Can't
create data socket (129.237.140.40,20): Interrupted system call." When I
dismiss the dialog, I can't get any further.

This may be related to having upgraded our office to a 56K line, because I
know I have logged onto gaea successfully from home via PPP access.

So, any clues?
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 19:19:40 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Ray <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: gaea ftp error

>I have a problem logging onto the gaea ftp server, and I'm wondering if
>anyone can give me a clue as to what it is. Whenever I use Fetch to attempt
>a logon, I get an error dialog that tells me: "Server response: Can't
>create data socket (129.237.140.40,20): Interrupted system call." When I
>dismiss the dialog, I can't get any further.

I got the same error this morning, trying to ftp from a unix shell.

Definitely a problem with the ftp server at gaea.

-Dave

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
David Ray                Dream Designs          Music Composition
[e-mail]         PO Box 5631            Interactive Multimedia
510-527-9010             Berkeley CA 94705      Virtual Worlds
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 22:12:32 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: gaea ftp error
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Wed, 03 Aug 94 18:05:34 PDT"

>I have a problem logging onto the gaea ftp server, and I'm wondering if
>anyone can give me a clue as to what it is. Whenever I use Fetch to attempt
>a logon, I get an error dialog that tells me: "Server response: Can't
>create data socket (129.237.140.40,20): Interrupted system call." When I
>dismiss the dialog, I can't get any further.
>
>This may be related to having upgraded our office to a 56K line, because I
>know I have logged onto gaea successfully from home via PPP access.

No, the problem is gaea. I haven't figured out what causes this yet. I
will let the sys admin know there's a problem.

pf

BTW, did you try using Anarchie or the ftp option in telnet. I saw
a message earlier today, but when I attempted to log in, I didn't
have any problems.
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 20:47:49 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Rebuild Desktop -> Extensions Off

>Meanwhile, back to the original topic of this thread, does anyone else know
>of any way to restart with extensions off without moving them out of the
>extensions folder or renaming it?  From what I've seen, restarting with
>extensions off is different from emptying your extensions folder, it seems to
>leave some vital processes running.

There are extensions in more places than the Extensions folder.  Loose in
the System folder; in the Control Panels folder (not sure about Apple Menu
Items).  There are also extension-like-things which are immune to the
shift-key startup, such as the Enabler needed by your machine...they go
away if you empty the Extensions folder (or rename it).  And don't forget
to empty the Startup Items folder, unless you have something in there you
want to have start up.

So it is no easy task to manually produce the shift-key-startup effect.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 3 Aug 1994 23:20:05 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: My folder and file processor

>From:    Pete Hinely <[e-mail]>
>
>As Jon Pugh, the author of Jon's Commands, has confirmed, the "walk
>folders" command does not work in all instances.  I started out trying to
>use his command for my MacPGP scripts. As I remember, with the "walk
>folder" command you cannot access a global variable from within script you
>are processing the files or folders with.

While there's some truth to the statement "the 'walk folders' command does
not work in all instances , I don't really use globals, so I haven't
bothered figuring out how to do it.  My common solution is to pass
variables into the script I before I feed it to "walk folders", like so:

on script foo
  prop bar : ""
  on open
    -- ...
    return bar
  end
end

set s to foo                               -- copy the script into a variable
set foo's bar to gonzo                     -- set the property to whatever
set gonzo to walk folders with script foo  -- use the script object
-- now gonzo contains bar

There are probably a bunch of ways to hook these scripts together.  I'm
sure you can also string the scripts together by using "parent : me"
somewhere in there, but I'm not sure of the syntax and don't have the time
to pay around with it right now.  I'm sure someone else can fill in.  It
should be documented in the Language Guide.

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 12:28:28 EETDST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tero Loimuneva <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Sender's address
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>; from "Automatic digest
              processor" at Aug 4, 94 12:00 am

How do I get the address of the application who sent the event to my script?

I know "return" will return a AE reply to the sender, but how can I send
other events to the client program afterwards? I can't find any mention
about it... not in FAQ, not in a couple of months reading this listserv...

Thanks in advance - I hope my question is not too trivial...otherwise
I must be blind.

        [e-mail]

        - Loimu
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 08:30:51 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Chris Dowling <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Grabbing hardware info?

Is there an AS command or osax that can grab hardware information, e.g.,
ROM version or serial # of internal hard disk?  I want to  use this info as
a variable then copy software to a particular machine or class of machine.
Chris
~~~~
Chris Dowling, Manager, SOE Computer Lab,
1025 W. Johnson St., Madison, WI  53706, [phone]
[e-mail]
~~~~
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 09:38:21 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         tom price <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Need General Info

I have been lurking for quite a while and just got around to really beginning
to script with a copy of Frontier v2.0 that I have had around.

First, where can I ftp the public domain software or get a list of available
files?  I made a request to the listserver for frontier index and it told me it
wasn't available.  I suspect that I have just lost track of new directories.

Second, I wanted to be able to use Frontier to script the application
KaleidaGraph which is IAC aware.  In reading the manual I discovered that I
need an install script for frontier that will give me the hooks to the iac
commands in the application.  Is such an install script available? Does version
3 of Frontier require these same install scripts?

Thanks for any help

Tom Price
MIT Lincoln Lab
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 09:57:43 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Myers <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Some answers for [Re: More on Frontier & TCP/IP]

>>>There are two better ways:
>>>
>>>First, in your loop, you could repeat while (connection status of (tcp
>>>   status stream <yourstream> ) = Connected
>>
>>
>>It seems to me that I played around with this, but in Frontier you
>>don't get "Connected", but rather a binary value.  While I'm sure
>>that value could be interpreted bit-wise to recover the necessary
>>status info, I haven't had a chance to dig deeper.  (My memory
>>of this is hazy now, but I *think* this was how it worked.)
>
>If you capture one of these, and let us know what the binary type is (the
>code in [....] after the binary in the Kind column of the table holding the
>value) and perhaps its contents
>    clipboard.putValue (string (theCellHoldingTheValue))
>will copy it to the clipboard, we can probably figure out what it is.
>
>   --John


John:

I didn't know there were binary "types".  Is there any information on
what each type is?  Let me verify that this was how the osax actually worked,
and then I would be curious to see how you deconstruct it.  Thanks.

-David.


____________________________________________________

David C. Myers
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 10:11:05 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tom Emerson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Need General Info

At  9:38 8/4/94 -0400, tom price wrote:
[snip]
>Second, I wanted to be able to use Frontier to script the application
>KaleidaGraph which is IAC aware.  In reading the manual I discovered that I
>need an install script for frontier that will give me the hooks to the iac
>commands in the application.  Is such an install script available? Does version
>3 of Frontier require these same install scripts?

The KaleidaGraph installation may contain an installer file for Frontier
that will add the appropriate verbs to the table, or such a beast may be
available from the company - call their tech support if you can't find it
in your installation.

Frontier 3.0 will require the same thing. Now, what we really need is a
hack to take an 'aete' and munge it into a set of verbs.

        -tre

---
Tom Emerson                                              Software Engineer
Development Tools Group                               Symantec Corporation
                          [e-mail]
  "I dreamed I had to take a test, in a Dairy Queen, on another planet."
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 11:11:19 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Israel Alvarez <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FaceSpan and AppleScript Developer's Kit 1.1

I'm curious - am I just one of the few who have the AppleScript Developer's
Kit? I just bought v1.1 at the MacWorld show, and along with some great docs,
a scriptable finder, and a CD of examples and info, it has a killer
application called FaceSpan. FaceSpan is an interface builder for
AppleScript. In practice, this means it's like HyperCard for AppleScript. It
gives you easy access to all of the Mac's interface elemsnts, including lists
and popup menus. This is one of the coolest things I've seen in a long time.
Best of all, the Dev Kit includes a license for redistribution of the
FaceSpan Extension, which lets you create little standalones that can be run
by anyone with the Extension installed. Overhead is about 30-40k. Otherwise,
you can create full standalone apps, though the apps are significantly larger
(in a test, a mini-app was 32k, while the full app was 284k). Full apps only
require AppleScript installed to run.

At any rate, I'm curious if anyone else has heard of this app, or has the
developer's kit. It cost $150 from APDA, and in my mind, it's well worth it.

Mont
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 11:26:55 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joseph Block <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Resource Editing osax

Does anyone know of an osax that will allow me to manipulate
resources?  I need to be able to create an arbitrary type & id.

I want to write a drop script to automatically add Fetch keys to
graphics files, and need to manipulate the keyword and description
resources.

Thanks,

[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 09:02:15 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Sender's address

>How do I get the address of the application who sent the event to my script?
>
>I know "return" will return a AE reply to the sender, but how can I send
>other events to the client program afterwards? I can't find any mention
>about it... not in FAQ, not in a couple of months reading this listserv...

I can't think of a way to do this.  I'll be happy to be educated.  In real
code, it is trivial (there is an attribute one can extract from either the
incoming event or the reply, in an AE Handler function which contains what
is needed).  But that's not accessible to a script.  Nor does it seem
possible to pass it along to an osax.  Nor is there AppleScript syntax to
do the job of "telling" the decided-at-runtime application anything.

I'd suggest an alternate approach:  a receiving script application specific
to a given sender application.

Or switch to Frontier, where a handler for a custom event can dig the
address attribute out of the incoming event, and keep it around for later
use.

   --John (who does tech support for UserLand, but speaks for himself above)

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 09:02:18 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Grabbing hardware info?

>Is there an AS command or osax that can grab hardware information, e.g.,
>ROM version or serial # of internal hard disk?  I want to  use this info as
>a variable then copy software to a particular machine or class of machine.
>Chris

Anything which can be learned using the Gestalt system call (which doesn't
include a serial # of an internal disk, so far as I know) can be done in
AppleScript, either with a suitable Scripting Addition, or with a command
built into the Scriptable Finder.

In the Jons Commands osax (a good choice) the argument-less command

machine environment

returns a likely collection of stuff:

{machine type:"Power Macintosh 8100/80",
CPU type:"68020",
System version:7.12,
FPU:false,
Color Quickdraw:true,
Data Access Manager:false,
software power off:true,
logical RAM:21225472,
physical RAM:16777216,
active scripts:1,
AppleTalk version:58,
keyboard:"Extended ADB Keyboard",
virtual memory:true}

You can also call any particular Gestalt "selector", provided you know what
to do with the result:

machine environment "ascr"

returns 3 on my machine:  a couple of bit flags describing AppleScript
features available.

With Scriptable Finder, the

[get] computer

command does about the same thing...bit testing is provided too.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 09:09:56 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Need General Info

>I have been lurking for quite a while and just got around to really beginning
>to script with a copy of Frontier v2.0 that I have had around.
>
>First, where can I ftp the public domain software or get a list of available
>files?  I made a request to the listserver for frontier index and it told me it
>wasn't available.  I suspect that I have just lost track of new directories.

The ftp site is

gaea.kgs.ukans.edu

in the directory /frontier


>Second, I wanted to be able to use Frontier to script the application
>KaleidaGraph which is IAC aware.  In reading the manual I discovered that I
>need an install script for frontier that will give me the hooks to the iac
>commands in the application.  Is such an install script available? Does version
>3 of Frontier require these same install scripts?

I don't know of an install file for KaleidaGraph...that doesn't mean there
isn't one around.  Frontier can help you build one, if KaleidaGraph is
"scriptable" in Apple's limited meaning of the term (it has an 'aete'
resource).  The Commercial Developers Suite has a parser which reads the
'aete' and builds the beginning of the glue table (same table as is
installed by an install file) for you.

Then, it is usually necessary to go back and tune that up, to reflect the
reality of the application's supported events, as opposed to the story told
in the 'aete'.  Disturbingly often, the 'aete' representation describes
events different from what the application provides.  Also, you may want to
write custom glue which hides details.

Frontier 3.0 does this job much better than 2.0 did, and adds many other
enhancements.  I've sent you private mail about that, to avoid a
"commercial" here.

   --John



--John W. Baxter    Port Ludlow, WA USA   [e-mail]
  UserLand Software support
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 09:12:31 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Need General Info

>At  9:38 8/4/94 -0400, tom price wrote:
>[snip]
>>Second, I wanted to be able to use Frontier to script the application
>>KaleidaGraph which is IAC aware.  In reading the manual I discovered that I
>>need an install script for frontier that will give me the hooks to the iac
>>commands in the application.  Is such an install script available? Does
>>version
>>3 of Frontier require these same install scripts?
>
>The KaleidaGraph installation may contain an installer file for Frontier
>that will add the appropriate verbs to the table, or such a beast may be
>available from the company - call their tech support if you can't find it
>in your installation.
>
>Frontier 3.0 will require the same thing. Now, what we really need is a
>hack to take an 'aete' and munge it into a set of verbs.

It's there, supplied with Frontier 3.0 (an earlier, less good, version came
with Frontier 2.0).  It's the Commercial Developer's Suite (on Disk 2).

The record and list handling and optional handler parameters added to the
UserTalk language in 3.0 made this much easier to do, and the 'aete' parser
was extensively retooled as a part of that.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 09:16:41 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FaceSpan and AppleScript Developer's Kit 1.1

>I'm curious - am I just one of the few who have the AppleScript Developer's
>Kit? I just bought v1.1 at the MacWorld show, and along with some great docs,
>a scriptable finder, and a CD of examples and info, it has a killer
>application called FaceSpan. FaceSpan is an interface builder for
>AppleScript. In practice, this means it's like HyperCard for AppleScript. It
>gives you easy access to all of the Mac's interface elemsnts, including lists
>and popup menus. This is one of the coolest things I've seen in a long time.
>Best of all, the Dev Kit includes a license for redistribution of the
>FaceSpan Extension, which lets you create little standalones that can be run
>by anyone with the Extension installed. Overhead is about 30-40k. Otherwise,
>you can create full standalone apps, though the apps are significantly larger
>(in a test, a mini-app was 32k, while the full app was 284k). Full apps only
>require AppleScript installed to run.
>
>At any rate, I'm curious if anyone else has heard of this app, or has the
>developer's kit. It cost $150 from APDA, and in my mind, it's well worth it.

Many of us on the list (including me) have FaceSpan (actually, I have it
under its first public name:  FrontMost).  I anxiously await the next major
version upgrade, but it is very nice as is.  It is also available in the
AppleScript Scripter's Kit, Apple's retail product.

One problem with the current FaceSpan:  there is a large memory leak every
time a FaceSpan freestanding application starts up and is quit.  (200K or
so).

There is a much smaller leak each time one of the mini-apps (the ones
needing the runtime extension) starts and quits.

The workaround is:  if it hurts, don't do it.  That is...don't plan on
starting one of these things up over and over...start it and leave it
running.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 09:22:50 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FaceSpan and AppleScript Developer's Kit 1.1

At 11:11 8/4/94 -0400, Israel Alvarez wrote:
>I'm curious - am I just one of the few who have the AppleScript Developer's
>Kit?

Yes, though by the end of the day the number should be increased by one (we
placed the PO with Apple on thursday, and I've been sitting on pins and
needles waiting for the damned package).

>At any rate, I'm curious if anyone else has heard of this app, or has the
>developer's kit. It cost $150 from APDA, and in my mind, it's well worth it.

Heard of it, used it to justify the spending of $199 (the price has gone up
:) ), rather than the $30 a book and AS 1.1 would cost.

I think the reason you might find relatively few people have it is, well,
because it costs a lot.  Unless you're going to be doing something rather
fancy with AppleScript (and really, there's so few people doing *anything*
with AS at the moment, that it's a fairly small number that does something
really cool :) ), and can find a kind person in your company who's willing
to buy it for you, most people probably will choose not to get it.

Then again, I may be showing my lack of familiarity with the niche AS has
found -- are most people using it for private applications, or business
applications? I'm using it for both, though most of the time is spent
hacking it for my private pleasure (though it helps my company) ...

-roy
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 10:19:32 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Birch <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: gaea ftp error

>>I have a problem logging onto the gaea ftp server, and I'm wondering if
>>anyone can give me a clue as to what it is. Whenever I use Fetch to attempt
>>a logon, I get an error dialog that tells me: "Server response: Can't
>>create data socket (129.237.140.40,20): Interrupted system call." When I
>>dismiss the dialog, I can't get any further.

>No, the problem is gaea. I haven't figured out what causes this yet. I
>will let the sys admin know there's a problem.
>
>pf
>
>BTW, did you try using Anarchie or the ftp option in telnet. I saw
>a message earlier today, but when I attempted to log in, I didn't
>have any problems.

I tried Anarchie without luck, and I still haven't quite figured out how to
do an ftp session with Telnet. I also tried from home last night and
discovered that I couldn't do it via PPP now, either. I hope you can get
through to the administrator!

-- Dennis
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 11:19:14 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FaceSpan and AppleScript Developer's Kit 1.1

At 09:22 8/4/94 -0800, Roy S. Rapoport wrote:
>Then again, I may be showing my lack of familiarity with the niche AS has
>found -- are most people using it for private applications, or business
>applications? I'm using it for both, though most of the time is spent
>hacking it for my private pleasure (though it helps my company) ...

Most of the "heavy" uses of scripting (whether AppleScript or Frontier or
...) so far seem to be hidden inside organizations.  Certainly the
scripting (AS or Frontier) of QuarkXPress are in-house.  Entire newspaper
classified sections are being prepared that way, large catalogs, telephone
yellow pages, etc.  Not the sort of script that will find its way onto
gaea, in general.)  [I only hear about some of the Frontier uses like this
(the ones which at some point need technical support), not the AppleScript
ones, so I may be wrong about the mix, which I think still is more Frontier
than AS: these are BIG script collections, and debugging is nice, and
Frontier was out first.]

   --John (speaking for himself)

--John W. Baxter    Port Ludlow, WA USA   [e-mail]
  UserLand Software support
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 15:00:19 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Value Lists in FMPro via AS

>Does anyone out there know how to access the value list of a FMPro field
>using AppleScript?

If I understand the question correctly, you want to get the cellvalue
property of a particular cell (for a single record) or for a field (for that
field in all records).  Here are a couple of examples that return list
values:

  cellValue of every Cell of Record 1 -- list

  cellValue of Cell 1 of every Record

Danny Goodman
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 15:03:03 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: What is FrontMost

>And where can I get it?

Frontmost was the original name for FaceSpan, a user interface builder for
AppleScript scripts.  It's tres cool, and is bundled with the AppleScript
Scripters Kit (retail product from Apple) or the AppleScript Developers Kit
(from APDA only).

Danny Goodman
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 15:07:20 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Where to get Scriptable Finder

>I've seen many references to the Scriptable Finder on this list, some of
>which have stated that it is readily available. Where might that be?

"Readily available" might be stretching it.  As far as I know, it's available
only on the AppleScript Developer Kit CD from APDA.  It will, however, be
bundled with System 7.5 for all.

Danny Goodman
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 15:18:29 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         [e-mail]
Subject:      Re: Where to get Scriptable Finder

>I've seen many references to the Scriptable Finder on this list, some of
>which have stated that it is readily available. Where might that be? I'm
>ready to try some things that require scripting the Finder, so I'd like to
>get my hands on it. What other System requirements are there for working
>with it?

I believe you can buy it from APDA, but if you're willing to wait a month,
System 7.5 will include it and you'll probably end up buying that or getting
it for free anyway.

~Shaddar
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 15:21:46 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Lee Hoong <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FaceSpan and AppleScript Developer's Kit 1.1

>Many of us on the list (including me) have FaceSpan (actually, I have it
>under its first public name:  FrontMost).  I anxiously await the next major
>version upgrade, but it is very nice as is.

I too obtained the Interface builder in its Frontmost incarnation as part
of the AS Scripter's Kit.  Recent communication from Uncle Dave of SDU (the
developers of FaceSpan) indicated that the upgrade should be available
"soon."  I've heard rumors that it is currently in beta; anyone can confirm
this?

>One problem with the current FaceSpan:  there is a large memory leak every
>time a FaceSpan freestanding application starts up and is quit.  (200K or
>so).
>
>There is a much smaller leak each time one of the mini-apps (the ones
>needing the runtime extension) starts and quits.

Yes, the memory leak was a major bug, but it is not the only one--other
bugs involve the use of windoids, metas in lists, etc.  The initial version
was very buggy indeed!

Lee.



Lee K. Hoong
Emory University
Atlanta, GA 30322
Internet: [e-mail]
AOL: LHOONG
==========================
Opinions and comments expressed are mine; I do not represent Emory
University.
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 11:55:30 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jamie Lawrence <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Finding which OSAXen are used in a script(Was: Re: How does AS
              know which osax to use?)

>the other machines, but I'd love to find a way to find which osaxen a
>script is using.

I don't know that there is a way to do that, but one trick
I have found useful in fuguring it out is to change the Applescript
formatting in the script editor to either color or change the font
of the appropriate terms. (I don't have AS here, and can't remember
the exact method of doing this, so futz around some) Only a partial
solution, but it has helped me... YMMV


-j
--
"Blah Blah Blah"
___________________________________________________________________
Jamie Lawrence                                  <[e-mail]>
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Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 15:58:23 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Fletcher, Chuck" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      A nice big fat project

Hi,

My name is Chuck Fletcher. As a manager of about 70 800's and 8100's with
rollouts of new software and services every other day, I have been thinking
alot about developing an software management system based on applescript and
filemaker pro. The basic idea is to simulate gracelan(too expensive), and add
some other features too.

Goals
1. remote inventory of mac hardware, software and services(tcpip addresses,
mainframe userids, etc.)
2. remote installs and upgrades
3. filemaker pro log of all activity
4. remote shutdown of all macs at a certain time, with auto saving features. ie
untitled files put in a folder called "saved files" on the desktop.
5. remote automatic maintance(ie remote maintaince-rebuilding the desktop and
running nortons once a month)
6. Frontmost interface for selecting which macs and times of exection.
7. Release as a public domain application and remote agent.

If anyone would like to help, please email me.

[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 13:33:05 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Patrick S. Kammermeyer" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: A nice big fat project
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

Have you seen Radar 4.0? It does most of what you are talking about for
less money than GraceLan.

On Thu, 4 Aug 1994, Fletcher, Chuck wrote:

> Hi,
>
> My name is Chuck Fletcher. As a manager of about 70 800's and 8100's with
> rollouts of new software and services every other day, I have been thinking
> alot about developing an software management system based on applescript and
> filemaker pro. The basic idea is to simulate gracelan(too expensive), and add
> some other features too.
>
> Goals
> 1. remote inventory of mac hardware, software and services(tcpip addresses,
> mainframe userids, etc.)
> 2. remote installs and upgrades
> 3. filemaker pro log of all activity
> 4. remote shutdown of all macs at a certain time, with auto saving features.
 ie
> untitled files put in a folder called "saved files" on the desktop.
> 5. remote automatic maintance(ie remote maintaince-rebuilding the desktop and
> running nortons once a month)
> 6. Frontmost interface for selecting which macs and times of exection.
> 7. Release as a public domain application and remote agent.
>
> If anyone would like to help, please email me.
>
> [e-mail]
>
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 15:06:00 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Judith =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kert=E9sz?= SUCHARD <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Sender's address

>How do I get the address of the application who sent the event to my script=
?

in hyperCard (even 2.1) there is a message (hypertalk):
appleEvent theClass, theId, theSender

on appleEvent cl,id,Sender
 answer Sender
-- of if Sender is -- then --
end appleEvent

In appleScript, I do not know, but someware should be there too, because
it is in the appleEvent received. But I think you have to ask for it, becaus=
e,
it is retained by the appleScript component.

Chaleureusement,

Judith
_________________________________________
Judith Kert=E9sz Suchard                  [e-mail]
C.N.A.M. Labo Informatique             AppleLink: cnam
25, rue Mont Cenis                         Tel:[phone]
75018 Paris, France                     Fax: [phone]
_________________________________________
"La simplicit=E9, c'est le fruit d'un long effort"
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 15:41:56 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: A nice big fat project
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Thu, 04 Aug 94 13:33:05 PDT"

>Have you seen Radar 4.0? It does most of what you are talking about for
>less money than GraceLan.

And I was told about 6 months ago that a future version would be scriptable.

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 17:25:36 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Lee Hoong <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Where to get Scriptable Finder

>>I've seen many references to the Scriptable Finder on this list, some of
>>which have stated that it is readily available. Where might that be?
>
>"Readily available" might be stretching it.  As far as I know, it's available
>only on the AppleScript Developer Kit CD from APDA.  It will, however, be
>bundled with System 7.5 for all.

I bought the Finder Scripting Toolkit from APDA for about $25.  It includes
the scriptable Finder and documentation.  Sorry, I don't recall the product
number.  Call APDA and ask for the product by name.

Lee.

Lee K. Hoong
Emory University
Atlanta, GA 30322
Internet: [e-mail]
AOL: LHOONG
==========================
Opinions and comments expressed are mine; I do not represent Emory
University.
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 17:33:02 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Barry Chern <[e-mail]>
Subject:      strip leading

Is there an existing easy way to strip leading characters from a string
(I've got some mainframe output wit 00's padding out the beggining of
numeric fields) or do I have to use a couple of osaxen and get the find
out if there is a 0 at an offset of 1 and then delete each one until the
offset tests false?

Boy, it's hard to keep track of the commands in all those osaxen.

Barry
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 16:43:53 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Where to get Scriptable Finder
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Thu, 04 Aug 94 17:25:36 EDT"

>I bought the Finder Scripting Toolkit from APDA for about $25.  It includes
>the scriptable Finder and documentation.  Sorry, I don't recall the product
>number.  Call APDA and ask for the product by name.

I think the number is R0573Z/A. APDA's number is 800.282.2732.

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 15:10:38 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: strip leading

>Is there an existing easy way to strip leading characters from a string
>(I've got some mainframe output wit 00's padding out the beggining of
>numeric fields) or do I have to use a couple of osaxen and get the find
>out if there is a 0 at an offset of 1 and then delete each one until the
>offset tests false?
>
>Boy, it's hard to keep track of the commands in all those osaxen.
>
>Barry

If you use Frontier Runtime as has been described in the list, the command
is string.popLeading. Its usage is

string.popLeading ("*****$33.33", '*')
        =BB $33.33
string.popLeading ("###34.23#", '#')
        =BB 34.23#
Note that it leaves the ending pound sign in place; only leading characters
are removed.

string.popLeading ("No leading characters here!", '#')
        =BB No leading characters here!
No leading characters found, so the string is returned unchanged.

        David


David Lewis     Seagate Technology      [phone]  [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 5 Aug 1994 10:17:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FaceSpan and AppleScript Developer's Kit 1.1

Israel Alvarez <[e-mail]> writes:

>...it has a killer
>application called FaceSpan. FaceSpan is an interface builder for
>AppleScript.

It was originally called Frontmost (no capital M, as far as I'm aware).
Incidentally, I found out about the name change at WWDC, and I was able to
collar a couple of Software Designs people to ask them why they had to change
the name. The answer was, "Frontmost" was too similar to the name of another
product. Which product was that? I asked. "Frontier", they replied.

Now, really...

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 5 Aug 1994 10:23:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Sender's address

"John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]> writes:

>>How do I get the address of the application who sent the event to my script?
>
>I can't think of a way to do this.  I'll be happy to be educated.  In real
>code, it is trivial (there is an attribute one can extract from either the
>incoming event or the reply, in an AE Handler function which contains what
>is needed).  But that's not accessible to a script.  Nor does it seem
>possible to pass it along to an osax.  Nor is there AppleScript syntax to
>do the job of "telling" the decided-at-runtime application anything.

Just a thought: my AppleEvent utilities for HyperCard include an XFCN called
AEGetTheCurrentEvent, which calls the AppleEvent Manager routine of the same
name. With current versions of HyperCard, you can call this from within an
"On AppleEvent" handler, and get a complete copy of the current event this way.

My idea is: would a similar thing work from AppleScript as well? If you had
an osax that called AEGetTheCurrentEvent, and you invoked this from within
a script handler, would you get a copy of the event currently being handled?

Yeah, sure, I could probably write it first, and then find out whether it works,
but you know what us lazy programmers are like... :-)

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 17:42:10 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Greg Hiner <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora Sorter

I wrote a script that works with Eudora 1.4.2 and sorts the new incoming
mail and moves it to a different mailbox if certain criteria are met (at
this point it just checks the "to: and "cc:" fields - great for keeping
your mailing lists from clogging up your in box). It runs via the Eudora
notifier feature.

I have a couple of questions -

If I have Eudora notify the script (saved as an app) directly it runs the
app in the foreground. As of now I wrote another program (a simple launcher
app in C) that takes the notification event and launches the script in the
background. I would like to eliminate the launcher app to simplify things
but I have yet to figure out how to get the script to launch and run in the
background automatically.

I would like to have the script check a data file to set its search
criteria instead of having to change and recompile the script every time I
want to add or change something that it looks for. Is this possible? Right
now I just have two lists at the front of the script that contain the
search criteria and the mailbox to move the item to if the search criteria
is met. If I can set up sometype of external data file would that cause a
big performance hit?

I just joined the list so excuse me if I'm asking something that has just
been covered.

Best-

Greg


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Greg Hiner                                      [phone] ext.82
Computer Support                                [e-mail]
Garrison Hall 318
University of Texas at Austin
Austin, TX 78712
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 16:14:08 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Index of OSAXEN

Having suddenly realized that I had somewhere around 80 OSAXEN in my
Scripting Additions folder, and that it was actually slowing me down
without any reasonable utility (having the Audio CD OSAXEN, as cool as they
are, is sort of useless if my PowerCD is not connected to my Mac currently,
no?), I'm on a drive to minimize the number of OSAXEN I keep in Extensions.

The problem is that I have no idea which I am using now and which I am not.
 Basically, I need to

A) Find all the commands which the OSAXEN give me, and use it to determine
which I need.  This would be nice because it would also give me a
'complete' dictionary

B) Find out (the hard way, I guess?) which OSAXEN each script needs, and
indicate it in the body of the script (I think from now on I'll be
indicating which OSAXEN are necessary for a script's function as a matter
of habit.

Now, how do I do this? I am somewhat reluctant to do an 'Open Dictionary'
in Script Editor for each OSAX.  Script Editor is not scriptable either,
unfortunately, so I seem to be screwed.

Is there any other way to extract commands from OSAXEN?

-roy
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 5 Aug 1994 00:13:11 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Index of OSAXEN
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Roy S. Rapoport" at Aug 4, 94 04:14:08 pm

--Roy S. Rapoport wrote:
>
>Now, how do I do this? I am somewhat reluctant to do an 'Open Dictionary'
>in Script Editor for each OSAX.  Script Editor is not scriptable either,
>unfortunately, so I seem to be screwed.

    Check out the ScriptWizrd demo on gaea. It has a really nice
dictionary feature. Speaking of third party script utilities, I got a
pretty good look at Scripter from Main Event. I wasn not impressed. I
realize it's currently still in beta, but it has a very cluttered
interface. It seems to be suffering from being "the AppleScript
environment for everyone" and this is not a good thing, IMO. It does
look like it has some very nice tools for for beginning scripters, but I
would probably recommend beginners take a look at Script-A-File from our
own Danny Goodman. As freeware, it's a whole lot cheaper. ;->

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 4 Aug 1994 21:39:16 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Ray <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora scripting problem

I've discovered a strange problem with the following script. This script
checks the headers of each e-mail message in my "In" box and places it in
another box if one of the header fields matches a given string. I use this t=
o
sort through my listserv mail.
   Below are two scripts. The first one works, the second one doesn't.
Can anybody tell me why the second one doesn't work?

=46irst (working) script:

set rules to {{"MACSCRPT", "MacScripting List"}, {"HYPERCRD", "Hypercard"}}
tell application "Eudora1.4.3"
  activate
  repeat with m from (count message of mailbox "in" of mail folder "") =AC
             to 1 by -1
    set theMessage to (a reference to message m of mailbox "in" of mail =AC
             folder "")
    try
      set fieldSender to field "sender" of theMessage
      set proceed to true
    on error
      set proceed to false  -- message doesn't have the "sender" header
    end try
    if proceed then
      repeat with theRule in rules
        if fieldSender contains item 1 of theRule then
          set mailFolder to (a reference to mail folder "")
          move theMessage InsertHere end of mailbox (item 2 of theRule) =AC
                       of mailFolder
          exit repeat
        end if
      end repeat
    end if
  end repeat
end tell



Here is the non-working script:


set rules to {{"MACSCRPT", "MacScripting List", "sender"}, =AC
                {"HYPERCRD", "Hypercard", "sender"}}
tell application "Eudora1.4.3"
  activate
  repeat with m from (count message of mailbox "in" of mail folder "") =AC
             to 1 by -1
    set theMessage to (a reference to message m of mailbox "in" of mail =AC
             folder "")
    try
      set fieldSender to field (item 3 of theRule) of theMessage  -- This li=
ne!
      set proceed to true
    on error
      set proceed to false  -- message doesn't have the "sender" header
    end try
    if proceed then
      repeat with theRule in rules
        if fieldSender contains item 1 of theRule then
          set mailFolder to (a reference to mail folder "")
          move theMessage InsertHere end of mailbox (item 2 of theRule) =AC
                       of mailFolder
          exit repeat
        end if
      end repeat
    end if
  end repeat
end tell


The only difference between the scripts is the line starting with
"set fieldSender". For some reason, I can't substitute 'field "sender"' with
a variable. Why is this????

-Dave

(By the way, the character =AC is supposed to be the option-return character=
,
 in case your e-mail system gobbles it.)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------=
--
David Ray                Dream Designs          Music Composition
[e-mail]         PO Box 5631            Interactive Multimedia
510-527-9010             Berkeley CA 94705      Virtual Worlds
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 5 Aug 1994 00:59:00 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Eli Whitney Museum <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scripting contest winners?

I thought that the scripting contest winners were going to be announced at
macworld expo, but i havnt heard anything about it, and havnt seen
anything on this list about it. maybe i missed it. what's the deal?

(please cc: replies to my email, as i dont read this list as throughly as
i should, and i might miss something)

thanx.

My opinions are mine only and tentative, pending further data
                      Matthew Ahrens
[e-mail]              [e-mail]
[e-mail]           [e-mail]
[e-mail]     <-Last Resorts->     [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 5 Aug 1994 01:08:26 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Bob Snyder <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Where to get Scriptable Finder

At 3:07 PM 8/4/94, Danny Goodman wrote:

>"Readily available" might be stretching it.  As far as I know, it's available
>only on the AppleScript Developer Kit CD from APDA.  It will, however, be
>bundled with System 7.5 for all.

It was also on one of the _Develop_ CDs, which puts it in a lot more hands,
since a subscription to _Develop_ is only $30.

Bob

--
Bob Snyder N2KGO                                     MIME, RIPEM mail accepted
[e-mail]                       finger for RIPEM public key
         When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 5 Aug 1994 03:02:12 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Barry Chern <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Can't write new script!

ACK! My AppleScript just broke in a really strange way. Everything seemed
fine last time I tried it. Tonight, I opened a script I'd been working on,
and copied and pasted part of it into a new window in the script editor.
When I tried to check the syntax, I got a dialog saying "couldn't [etc.
etc.] because I can't access the scripting system...etc."

I think I'd seen this once before, and restarting cleared things up, so I
restarted, turned of the latest extensions I'd added, opened up the text
version of the script I'd saved and...no soap. So I set about turning off
more and more extensions. No.

Finally, I re-installed AS from the PlainTalk 1.2 disks. It _still_
wouldn't work! Then I opened up the original script again. I said to
myself, this must have been working when I started this session because
opening this script caused another application involved to launch. So, I
made some changes to the script and lo and behold it compiled and ran and
gave me errors and everything. Trying to extract part of it into a new
window would continue to fail every time, however.

I thought it was something about the copying and pasting that was screwed.
But then I tried just starting a new script and typing into it, and that
gave me the same error. I'm desperate now. What the heck could this be?
Anyone else seen this?

If you have any insights, please cc the answer to me as well as the list,
since I get the Digest and won't see it until late tomorrow night.

thanks,
Barry
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 5 Aug 1994 03:08:57 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Barry Chern <[e-mail]>
Subject:      strip leading

Thanks for the info on how to do this with Frontier. That looks like just
what I need. Unfortunately, I'm likely to be giving this to another party
and would like to be able to make it work with AppleScript and as few
other neccessary pieces as possible. (I'm already up to one OSAX thrown
in.) Frontier Runtime may be one piece of software too many for their
system, for all I know. So I'm still open for suggestions.

B.
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 5 Aug 1994 03:28:48 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Barry Chern <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Can't write new script! (not)

Wow. ten minutes after sending that message, I solved the problem. Never
satisfied to leave something alone, I figured that I hadn't tried just
opening the script editor without any script or file and just start from
scratch. Well, it still didn't work, but then I happened to look at that
little box at the bottom of the script window where the scripting language
is displayed. There was the little down pointing triangle, but it was
otherwise blank. I clicked on it, and some choices showed up, I chose
AppleScript and everything was happy again.

I'm guessing that somehow, because I had just tried out Frontier Runtime
but was no longer running it, there was a blank choice selected as the
default scripting language. Doesn't seem right, but it's just a guess
anyway.

Something to look out for, anyway.

B.
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 5 Aug 1994 11:17:08 EETDST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tero Loimuneva <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Sender's address
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>; from "Automatic digest
              processor" at Aug 5, 94 12:00 am

>>>How do I get the address of the application who sent the event to my script?

--John:
>I can't think of a way to do this.  I'll be happy to be educated.  In real
>code, it is trivial (there is an attribute one can extract from either the
>incoming event or the reply, in an AE Handler function which contains what
>is needed).  But that's not accessible to a script.  Nor does it seem
>possible to pass it along to an osax.  Nor is there AppleScript syntax to

Yup. It's very easy to get the address once you get the original AppleEvent
in your hands - but that's the problem.

>Or switch to Frontier, where a handler for a custom event can dig the
>address attribute out of the incoming event, and keep it around for later
>use.

That's the exact feature I'm looking for in the AppleScript - I'm not ready to
move into Frontier. That would be too much of an investment mentally and
economically - at least right now.

--Judith
>in hyperCard (even 2.1) there is a message (hypertalk):
>appleEvent theClass, theId, theSender

Yes, I've seen that and I made a series of desperate tests to get the address
in a similar way with no luck.

--Lawrence
>Just a thought: my AppleEvent utilities for HyperCard include an XFCN called
>AEGetTheCurrentEvent, which calls the AppleEvent Manager routine of the same
>name. With current versions of HyperCard, you can call this from within an
>"On AppleEvent" handler, and get a complete copy of the current event this way.
>My idea is: would a similar thing work from AppleScript as well? If you had
>an osax that called AEGetTheCurrentEvent, and you invoked this from within
>a script handler, would you get a copy of the event currently being handled?

I thought of the osax too but does the osax get ANYTHING about the original
AppleEvent sent to the whole handler - I doupt. I'm pretty sure that the AE
the osax gets is sent by the SCRIPT and so includes the address of the script
who calls the osax not the original client software.

...or is there a way to get still unhandled Apple Event somehow (the one that
the script is still handling while calling my osax) ? I have IM VI but should I
read it more carefully :)  That way yes - I could get the original AE and
after that the whole thing would be easy as 3.14156.

>Yeah, sure, I could probably write it first, and then find out whether it
>works, but you know what us lazy programmers are like... :-)

Looks like I have a small program to make for holding the sender's address -
some kind of front door for the events. I already made the client program
(in Pascal) that sends those events to my script... it doesn't sound just
right. I SHOULD be able to parse the sender's address from the incoming
AE in AS  :=(


        - Loimu         ([e-mail])
                        ([e-mail])
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 5 Aug 1994 09:07:31 CDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Peter Fleck - SMM <[e-mail]>
Subject:      ScriptWizard Demo Bug?

I've been trying out the ScriptWizard Demo and I'm very impressed and
considering ordering it before the current special ends (end of the month, I
think).

However... every time I try to do a find on a script I get some sort of serious
system error. No error message, just a complete freeze of the Mac. Can't get
to MacsBug, can't force quit, the only alternative is to restart. I tried this
with most extensions off (except AS, of course) and still got the freeze.

Is this a known problem (hopefully) with the demo? Will the real ScriptWizard
work just fine?

Peter
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 5 Aug 1994 11:43:29 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Nathan Urban <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora as an MDA

I want to have some sort of scriptable mail-delivery agent.  It only needs
to just send mail (so far, at least).  How can I get an AppleScript to do
this, and yet not interfere with my Eudora for personal mail?  The script
will need to change the preferences and such, and I don't want Eudora
retrieving mail while the script is operating, and I don't want the script
to interfere with my reading mail.  I guess this requires running two
copies of the Eudora application separately?  Is this possible?  Am I
better off finding some other mail-delivery agent to use?  I suppose I
could even write a script to open an SMTP connection.

On a related note, how can I get Eudora to open a preferences file?  Maybe
I'm being really dense, but I didn't see anything in the dictionary for it.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nathan Urban                                   Voice:[phone]
System Planning Corporation (SPC)              Fax:  [phone]
1429 North Quincy Street                       E-mail: [e-mail]
Arlington, VA  22207                                   [e-mail]
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 5 Aug 1994 09:20:24 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Can't write new script! (not)

>Wow. ten minutes after sending that message, I solved the problem. Never
>satisfied to leave something alone, I figured that I hadn't tried just
>opening the script editor without any script or file and just start from
>scratch. Well, it still didn't work, but then I happened to look at that
>little box at the bottom of the script window where the scripting language
>is displayed. There was the little down pointing triangle, but it was
>otherwise blank. I clicked on it, and some choices showed up, I chose
>AppleScript and everything was happy again.
>
>I'm guessing that somehow, because I had just tried out Frontier Runtime
>but was no longer running it, there was a blank choice selected as the
>default scripting language. Doesn't seem right, but it's just a guess
>anyway.

Indeed.  I see this problem in a different aspect:  I always (well, almost
always) have Frontier running, so I don't see the inability to connect to
the scripting component form of the problem.  My form is this:  I create a
UserTalk script in Script Editor, do whatever with it, then quit Script
Editor.  Later, I launch Script Editor again, and enter a perfectly nice
AppleScript script into the untitled window.  And get syntax errors, since
the window is set for UserTalk.

I have learned that for me, what works is to open new script window and set
the language to AppleScript, after I've led Script Editor to believe I want
to work in UserTalk.

It's an interesting feature of Script Editor.  I can't say it's wrong,
since it makes sense that someone would want to work in the same language
most of the time.  Sometime down the road, if Script Editor is revisited, a
preference might be nice:

   new scripts are:  same language as last time
                     AppleScript
                     other language 1
                     ...

Oh, well.  --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 5 Aug 1994 12:10:42 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Desmond K. Mullen" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FaceSpan and AppleScript Developer's Kit 1.1

>At any rate, I'm curious if anyone else has heard of this app, or has the
>developer's kit. It cost $150 from APDA, and in my mind, it's well worth it.

I have had the developer's kit for many months now and have made great use
of it. When I bought it they where still bundling FaceSpan's predecessor
FrontMost. FrontMost was really interesting but after working with it, I
thought it stunk! I'm sure the things that didn't work have mostly been
fixed with FaceSpan.

-DM

Desmond K. Mullen - University of Minnesota, Office of Admissions
[e-mail] - 612/625-0824 - Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 5 Aug 1994 12:10:43 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Desmond K. Mullen" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Sender's address

>>How do I get the address of the application who sent the event to my script?
>>
>>I know "return" will return a AE reply to the sender, but how can I send
>>other events to the client program afterwards? I can't find any mention
>>about it... not in FAQ, not in a couple of months reading this listserv...
>
>I can't think of a way to do this.  I'll be happy to be educated.  In real
>code, it is trivial (there is an attribute one can extract from either the
>incoming event or the reply, in an AE Handler function which contains what
>is needed).  But that's not accessible to a script.  Nor does it seem
>possible to pass it along to an osax.  Nor is there AppleScript syntax to
>do the job of "telling" the decided-at-runtime application anything.


Well, how about HyperCard 2.2? It's pretty fantastic with IAC. It can
easily tell you who the sender of any type of Apple Event it received was
and you can always keep that info and use it later. HyperCard is pretty
adept at sending Apple Event in raw forms or via AS or Frontier.

I've used these features a lot and never been disappointed.

-DM

Desmond K. Mullen - University of Minnesota, Office of Admissions
[e-mail] - 612/625-0824 - Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 5 Aug 1994 12:23:15 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Greg Hiner <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora as an MDA

>I want to have some sort of scriptable mail-delivery agent.  It only needs
>to just send mail (so far, at least).  How can I get an AppleScript to do
>this, and yet not interfere with my Eudora for personal mail?  The script
>will need to change the preferences and such, and I don't want Eudora
>retrieving mail while the script is operating, and I don't want the script
>to interfere with my reading mail.  I guess this requires running two
>copies of the Eudora application separately?  Is this possible?  Am I
>better off finding some other mail-delivery agent to use?  I suppose I
>could even write a script to open an SMTP connection.
>
>On a related note, how can I get Eudora to open a preferences file?  Maybe
>I'm being really dense, but I didn't see anything in the dictionary for it.
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Nathan Urban                                   Voice:[phone]
>System Planning Corporation (SPC)              Fax:  [phone]
>1429 North Quincy Street                       E-mail: [e-mail]
>Arlington, VA  22207                                   [e-mail]
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>--

Get TCP/IP scripting additions - ftp to gaea.kgs.ukans.edu - in the
applescript /OSAXEN folder. There is a sample script in that distribution
that shows how to use his additions to send mail.

Hope this helps -

Best-
Greg
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 5 Aug 1994 12:39:44 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Greg Hiner <[e-mail]>
Subject:      TCP/IP scripting additions

I am trying to script a link tester - ie a script that will walk through
html documents and test out links to make sure they are still good. A
common problem with running a web server is that the links can start going
bad and you don't know it. Something automated would be nice.

I picked up the TCP/IP scripting additions (very nice!) and threw something
together that makes a connection and checks the status to see if there is a
machine at the other end. Well all seems to work well if there is actually
a machine but when I try to hit other machines that don't have servers
running the scripts seems to freeze.

I tried nesting the connect statment in a try statement but that didn't
seem to make any difference.

Now admittedly I don't know that much about how all the TCP stuff works but
here are my assumptions. (see example below) I figured I would either get a
"Connected" if there was a machine there listening at that port - or a "No
Connection" if there was no machine or nobody listening at the specified
port. But somewhere along the way things seem to break down.

Some questions -

when I say tcp connect and it tries to connect with a machine with no
server running at the specified port what happens?

Have I made a terrible assumption in the above?

Any help would be appreciated.

Best-
Greg




*******This is what i have been working with********

set testHost to "uts.cc.utexas.edu"
set testPort to 80


set test_stream to (tcp connect to host testHost port testPort)
set testResult to "No result"
repeat
        if (connection status of =AC
                (tcp status stream test_stream) =3D Connected) then
                set testResult to "Connection OK"
                tcp close stream test_stream
                exit repeat
        end if

        if (connection status of =AC
                (tcp status stream test_stream) =3D No connection) then
                set testResult to "No Connection"
                tcp close stream test_stream
                exit repeat
        end if
end repeat


display dialog "The result was " & testResult


*******end********
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 5 Aug 1994 11:26:39 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Kalkwarf <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Index of OSAXEN

>I would probably recommend beginners take a look at Script-A-File from our
>own Danny Goodman. As freeware, it's a whole lot cheaper. ;->

I've gotta ask...Where can it be found? I checked gaea, AOL, and the disk
that came with Danny's book.

Steve
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 5 Aug 1994 13:35:09 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Index of OSAXEN
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Fri, 05 Aug 94 11:26:39 PDT"

>>I would probably recommend beginners take a look at Script-A-File from our
>>own Danny Goodman. As freeware, it's a whole lot cheaper. ;->
>
>I've gotta ask...Where can it be found? I checked gaea, AOL, and the disk
>that came with Danny's book.

I pulled it from the Ziff-Net Mac section on CI$ (compuspend) a couple of
nights ago. It's the MacUser Utility of the Month. And as such, can't be
uploaded anywhere else. I suppose it should also be available on eWorld since
Ziff-Davis has an area there, too.

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 5 Aug 1994 14:54:05 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Jones <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Index of OSAXEN

Sript a file IS available on eWorld.  That's where I got it.

stj
Steven T. Jones
Assistant Professor of Design & Technology
Middle Tennessee State University
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 5 Aug 1994 17:52:51 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Barry Chern <[e-mail]>
Subject:      strip leading

The message about the Frontier process for this led me to think about  how
AS could do it without osaxen, and I set up a repeat while character 1 of
etc = "0". (Took me awhile to figure out I needed the quotes, too.)

New frustration. I can generate the new value of the text item in question
in a variable, but I can't figure out any way to set the text item (or the
text of the text item, or the contents of the text item) to that variable.
Is there no way to alter a text item in AS? My whole approach in this
script so far depends on reading in a tab-delimited file and treating each
of the entries as a text item. It seemed like the only way to go until
now.
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 5 Aug 1994 18:39:24 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Nikolaos Daniel Willmore <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Script Memory Size vs. File Size.

OK, all is well, but my scripts are memory hogs. Yuk. The story is, I'm
using Jon's commands to spool the Clipboard to disk then having MacPGP
act upon that file, then spooling the result back to the Clipboard.
Problem is, if the text on the Clipboard is 30K my little 8K app
needs 300K to work! Roughly it needs 10 times the memory of the
size of the Clipboard, or it either just locks up (!) indefinitely,
gives a memory error, or fails to create the spool file and says
file not found. Here is the sort of thing I'm doing....

if length of (the clipboard) = 0 then
        display dialog "The Clipboard does not contain text." buttons {"OK"}
default button "OK"

else
        set pathToDesktop to path to desktop
        set ClipboardSpool to (pathToDesktop as string) & "Clipboard Temp.asc"
        set PGPOutput to (pathToDesktop as string) & "Clipboard Temp"

        open for access file ClipboardSpool with write permission
        write (the clipboard) to ClipboardSpool
        close access ClipboardSpool

        try
                tell application "MacPGP"
                        execute (("pgp \"" & ClipboardSpool as string) & "\"")
                        if (list folder ((path to system folder as string) &
"OtherMenu Folder:Settings:")) contains "  Keep MacPGP running" then quit
                end tell

        on error

                tell application "Burn 2.1"
                        open ClipboardSpool
                        quit
                end tell

                display dialog "Sorry, there was an error. If it was MacPGP's
recycling of bad passphrases, try \"Decrypt\" again" buttons {"OK"} default
button "OK"
                tell application "MacPGP" to quit
                return

        end try

        try

                open for access file PGPOutput
                set the clipboard to (read PGPOutput)
                close access PGPOutput

                tell application "Burn 2.1"
                        open ClipboardSpool
                        open PGPOutput
                        quit
                end tell

Is there any way to do "write (the clipboard) to ClipboardSpool" and
"set the clipboard to (read PGPOutput)
"  without needed an order of magnitude more RAM than it should
require? A scripting addition which did this Clipboard<->file thing
would sure help :-).

 - Nik

P.S. I'm on a PowerBok 180c with 14MB.
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 5 Aug 1994 16:06:25 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Opening a script saved as app

Apparently there is a way to open Frontier scripts by Cmd-doubleclicking
them.  Is there something similar for AS?

-roy

Roy S. Rapoport                                          [e-mail]
2095 Rose St                                         Berkeley   CA   94709
Berkeley Systems would have to pay me a lot more if they
wanted me to speak for them.
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 5 Aug 1994 16:35:20 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Erik Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AppleScript as a network software installer/updater system

I'm experimenting with the idea of using AppleScript as a software
installation and distribution system.  The runtime components of
AppleScript, as I understand it, is something I can distribute to my users
(right?).  A typical script would be: "Install Mosaic", which would check
to see if the application exists locally, check its version, and then quit
the application and install mosaic from a folder on a server.  This script
would do such things as: tell the user to quit the application or quit the
application for them, put up a progress screen (using Progress Bar) compare
version numbers, get previous application memory settings, extract files
from stuffit archives by scripting stuffit expander, restore memory
settings, and e-mail the Computer Staff about the installation.  An
installer script for an application such as Mosaic should also invoke
installer scripts for helper applications.

Such a setup would require that users have the runtime components of
AppleScript installed as well as helper apps and the required OSAXes.

We have GraceLAN, which works pretty well, but I'm looking for a more user
driven installation system.  With GraceLAN you always have to re-construct
the package document every time you have a new or updated file to
distribute.  With AppleScript, I could just drop the updated files in place
on the server somewhere, construct the scripts (once) and place them either
on the server or distribute them to the users, and then let them run the
installation script.  AppleScript also has the potential do to all kinds of
cool stuff related to installation, like restoring the application memory
setting.

It would be nice if I had the option of launching the scripts myself, but I
havent found a mechanism that is going to allow this.  There is Script
Daemon, but it would require a lot of additional stuff to set it up right
and it requires AFP login ability, which is ususally disabled around here
for security reasons.  With GraceLAN for base installations, I'm not sure
that it's all that important to have "Admin installs".  I think I would
make a master script that users could choose that would run a bunch of
standard installation scripts.  The scripts are efficient in the sense that
they know when not to do an installation when its already been done.


Questions to be answered:

* How do I check for the existance of a file in AppleScript given a pathname?

* How do I get references to the special system folder folders: Extensions,
Control Panels, etc.

* Can compiled scripts run read-only on a network server?

* How do I locate occurances application by type?  This isn't essential for
me because I generally install applications in a standard user folder
called "Software", regardless of other copies of the application that the
user has.

* How do I get the volume name of the startup drive?

* Will it find local applications on different machines without prompting?
(Basically, how do scripts remember how to launch target apps?  If its by a
file alias, then there could be problems.

* How do I check for 68K or PPC?  This is necessary for installing native
software that is not Fat.  Perhaps this is present in some type of Gestalt
OSAX.

* How to I get and set the application memory size settings?

* How do I check the version number?

* How much RAM is a typical installation script (including AppleScript
memory) going to require on a users machine?

* How do I check for the amount of free space on a disk?  I would probably
just check against some raw number like 5 MB.

* (Somewhat unrelated:) Anyone seen any sample OSAX source code?  I may
have to write some of this stuff myself.

If you have info on just one of these questions, feel free to reply. Thanks
for any help.

-Erik








______________________________________________________________________
Erik Smith                   | [e-mail]  Internet
Computing Services Director  | [phone]    office
                             | [phone]    fax
______________________________________________________________________
Graduate School of International Relations and Pacific Studies (IR/PS)
University of California, San Diego (UCSD)
______________________________________________________________________
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 5 Aug 1994 17:52:16 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript as a network software installer/updater system

At 16:35 8/5/94 -0800, Erik Smith wrote:
>I'm experimenting with the idea of using AppleScript as a software
>installation and distribution system.

I'm starting to get into Installer Making myself (playing with Smaller
Installer and Aladdin Installer Maker right now).  I like your idea -- I've
figured that if I could count on the user having AS, writing installers
would be laughingly easy (except for the fact that AS can't give you the
Blessed system folder for anything other than the active drive, I believe).
 I like your idea.

>It would be nice if I had the option of launching the scripts myself, but I
>havent found a mechanism that is going to allow this.

If you know where the scripts are (how much control do you have over your
users? Can they change the location of these scripts), you could just tell
the Finder to launch them, no?


>* How do I check for the existance of a file in AppleScript given a pathname?
useful code I saw here fairly recently:
try
        info for ("Disk:Folder1:Folder2:....:File" as alias)
on error
        display dialog "does not exist"
end try

>* How do I get references to the special system folder folders: Extensions,
>Control Panels, etc.

path to system folder
or
path to control panels
or
path to extensions

You get the idea ...

>* Can compiled scripts run read-only on a network server?

I would see no reason why not, but I don't *know* they can...

>* How do I get the volume name of the startup drive?

text item 1 of (list disks)

>* How to I get and set the application memory size settings?

The scriptable finder can probably do this, but I don't have it yet so I
dont' know.

>* How do I check the version number?

short version of (info for ("Disk:Folder1:Folder2:....:File"))

>* How much RAM is a typical installation script (including AppleScript
>memory) going to require on a users machine?

For some of my reason, perhaps due to RunningApps, some of my scripts are
suddenly unhappy with 200K, so I've upped it to 400K (they're running on
machines with relatively obscene amounts of RAM, so it's not an issue).
Experiment :)

-roy

Roy S. Rapoport                                          [e-mail]
2095 Rose St                                         Berkeley   CA   94709
Berkeley Systems would have to pay me a lot more if they
wanted me to speak for them.
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 5 Aug 1994 20:41:15 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      can a Frontier string span lines?

I can't seem to find the documentation on how Frontier strings are formed.
I know I've read, for instance, that you can have a string contain quotes
by doing something like =B3a quote containing "quote"=B2 but I can't remembe=
r
where I saw it. The point of this long screed is that now I'd like to have
a string span several lines in order to pass it as a whole to KeyQuencer. I
know I can embed a "\r" or "=AE" character, but that doesn't enhance
readability in the same way. Any ideas? Thanks.

        David

David Lewis     Seagate Technology      [phone]  [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 6 Aug 1994 00:59:43 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Barry Chern <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Can't write new script! (not)
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

JWB>
JWB> It's an interesting feature of Script Editor. I can't say it's
JWB> wrong, since it makes sense that someone would want to work in the
JWB> same language most of the time. Sometime down the road, if Script
JWB> Editor is revisited, a preference might be nice

And, perhaps the Script Editor's alert for the situation should not be so
alarmist. It kept asking me if I really thought the scripting system was
installed properly, and did nothing to remind me that there might be more
than one scripting system it would be looking for.
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 6 Aug 1994 01:37:55 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Opening a script saved as app

>Apparently there is a way to open Frontier scripts by Cmd-doubleclicking
>them.  Is there something similar for AS?

In the Frontier case, it is as you say command-double-click.  In the
AppleScript script application case, where the splash screen has been
suppressed, use control-double-click to get the splash screen.  Now, the
last command in the Edit menu will edit the script.

But...it's usually easier to drag-and-drop the script application onto the
Script Editor.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 6 Aug 1994 01:38:03 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: can a Frontier string span lines?

>I can't seem to find the documentation on how Frontier strings are formed.
>I know I've read, for instance, that you can have a string contain quotes
>by doing something like =B3a quote containing "quote"=B2 but I can't rememb=
er
>where I saw it.

This form goes back to Frontier 1.0.  It's probably in the printed
documentation somewhere...it's now in the DocServer page for " " (the
pseudo verb quote-space-quote).

As of Frontier 3.0 (I think it was), \" will also embed a quote, as in this
string which contains only a quote:  "\""


>The point of this long screed is that now I'd like to have
>a string span several lines in order to pass it as a whole to KeyQuencer. I
>know I can embed a "\r" or "=AE" character, but that doesn't enhance
>readability in the same way. Any ideas? Thanks.

If KeyQuencer requires the return characters, you can as you say imbed them
with \r (or you can use "This is a line." + cr) (cr is a built-in
constant).

If you want (also, or only) to line the string up nicely in your script
window, you can build it in pieces on continued lines:

"This is line 1\r" + \
"This is some more."

The \ must be the last thing on the continued line (I don't think even a
trailing space will work).

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 6 Aug 1994 00:37:07 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Chuck McKinnon <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Message text in Eudora

I'm stumped. How do you get the text of a message w/o using GetData to get
the whole message and the parse out the header?

(BTW, what does the [r/o] in the dictionary stand for?)

--
TIA

Chuck
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 6 Aug 1994 00:37:13 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Chuck McKinnon <[e-mail]>
Subject:      MacPGP/IMPI scripts

I have the IMPI (Interim Mac PGP Interface) scripts but they need AS 1.1
and that's what I ain't got!
So,
   could I get someone (who is using 1.1) to translate the compiled scripts
into text files so I can recompile them for 1.0?

I will supply the archive or if you have it, could you just forward the
text files to me.

Please respond by email ([e-mail]) to save the bandwidth.

Thanks for the read!
__

chuck
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 6 Aug 1994 11:58:31 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         [e-mail]
Subject:      Re: Where to get Scriptable Finder

>It was also on one of the _Develop_ CDs, which puts it in a lot more hands,
>since a subscription to _Develop_ is only $30.

Where did you subscribe for $30.  Every mention I've seen of it in APDA
catalogs lists it for $250.  I'd really like to get it but was discouraged by
the cost.  $30 I can handle.  Could you give me any info you have?

Thanks  :)

~Shaddar
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 6 Aug 1994 12:29:31 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Roy Eassa <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Where to get Scriptable Finder

At 11:58 AM 8/6/94 -0400, [e-mail] wrote:
>>It was also on one of the _Develop_ CDs, which puts it in a lot more hands,
>>since a subscription to _Develop_ is only $30.
>
>Where did you subscribe for $30.  Every mention I've seen of it in APDA
>catalogs lists it for $250.  I'd really like to get it but was discouraged by
>the cost.  $30 I can handle.  Could you give me any info you have?

Me too!  Please post or summarize for all to see.


--
Roy Eassa
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 6 Aug 1994 11:58:30 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Where to get Scriptable Finder
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Sat, 06 Aug 94 12:29:31 CDT"

>At 11:58 AM 8/6/94 -0400, [e-mail] wrote:
>>>It was also on one of the _Develop_ CDs, which puts it in a lot more hands,
>>>since a subscription to _Develop_ is only $30.
>>
>>Where did you subscribe for $30.  Every mention I've seen of it in APDA
>>catalogs lists it for $250.  I'd really like to get it but was discouraged by
>>the cost.  $30 I can handle.  Could you give me any info you have?
>
>Me too!  Please post or summarize for all to see.
>--
>Roy Eassa
>[e-mail]

He's referring to the bookmark cd which comes with develop magazine;
not the Developer's cd. However, some of the goodies on the Developer's
cd usually find there way to the bookmark cd (it always has electronic
versions of the magazine articles and the source code). The price is
27.00 (part number M0929LL/A) if ordered from APDA (800/282-2732). They
also sell back issue for 10.00 each.

Hope that clarifies the matter.

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 6 Aug 1994 10:30:15 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Denny Cahan <[e-mail]>
Subject:      subscribe

thanks
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 6 Aug 1994 10:55:17 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Nelson Byrne <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Read as record

"Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton, NZ"
<[e-mail]>
wrote of using a (read as record, write) pair in AS.
That sounded good to me, kind of like namelist in Fortran,
so I tried it. It donUt work.

(read as list/write) is OK.

as record io works maybe one time out of twenty, generally
fails either by returning a screenful of garbage or by
uplocking my computer. i suspect a bug in the osax.

and yet it worked for Lawrence D'Oliveiro. Hmmm.

Comments?
>>>>>[e-mail]
     Nelson Byrne
     SAIC  LOC#001/MS#C2
     10260 Campus Point Drive
     Sandy Eggo, CA 92121
>>>>>[phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 6 Aug 1994 08:42:19 -1000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Pete Hinely <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Getting the front application dilemma

Hi,
  Here is the problem I am having:  I want to get the identity of the
front-most application when my script is launched via OtherMenu so that I
can switch back to that app after my script launches another app.

I need my scripts to be applications so they can handle drag-n-drop
processing though.

I've tried using some of the scripting additions to get the name of the
current application.  They just return the name of the script droplet that
is launched, which is how they are supposed to behave.  But it's not what I
want!

I want the name of the appliation that was active right before someone
launches my script droplet.  Is there anyway to do this?

Any ideas?
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 6 Aug 1994 15:16:12 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joseph Block <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Thanks for resource pointer

Thanks to all the listmembers that pointed out the GTQLib1.2 resource
editing osaxen.

[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 6 Aug 1994 15:05:02 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tom Donovan <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Message text in Eudora

Chuck,

>I'm stumped. How do you get the text of a message w/o using GetData to get
>the whole message and the parse out the header?
>

set foo to field "" of mailbox "In" of mail folder ""

>(BTW, what does the [r/o] in the dictionary stand for?)

[r/o] = read only
>
>--
>TIA
>
>Chuck

You're quite welcome.

--Tom

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Tom Donovan           "The city is a place where a small boy, as he walks
Support Specialist     through it, may see something that will tell him what
CoVis Project          he wants to do his whole life."
Northwestern Univ.
E-mail: [e-mail]                     --Louis I. Kahn
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 6 Aug 1994 15:56:44 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Where to get Scriptable Finder

>>It was also on one of the _Develop_ CDs, which puts it in a lot more hands,
>>since a subscription to _Develop_ is only $30.
>
>Where did you subscribe for $30.  Every mention I've seen of it in APDA
>catalogs lists it for $250.  I'd really like to get it but was discouraged by
>the cost.  $30 I can handle.  Could you give me any info you have?

"develop" magazine.  Not the "Developer Technical Information" series, or
whatever name it goes by this week.  The latter is the 3 figure one (which
I do buy, having never bothered to become an "Associate").  The former is a
quarterly magazine, with a CD included.  It's not at all new:  the June
1994 issue is #18.  Each CD contains all the back issues, with text
corrections, and the source code (with corrections).  And other stuff,
which has varied over time.

The magazine is worth $30...the CD is therefore "free".  The CD is worth
$30...the magazine is therefore "free".  Gee...they're both free!!

The better way to subscribe (for $30 in the US, $50 anywhere else) is to
call 800-877-5548 in the US, or 815-734-1116 from other countries.

APDA will attempt to sell subscriptions (but has a history of losing them,
instead) for $27 plus $3 shipping [US price, international not known here].

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 6 Aug 1994 16:40:17 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Douglas R. Peckham" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: can a Frontier string span lines?
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

Hi Applescripters,

Just one quick question: does the number of scripting additions in the
"scripting additions" folder affects the amount of time it takes to compile?

Aaron

--
Aaron Peckham                 "There are three kinds of people in the
[e-mail]       world: those who can count, and
Proud member of Barney is Bad  those who can't." -- anonymous
                     Unhealthy snacks are fun!
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 6 Aug 1994 14:15:51 -1000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Pete Hinely <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora scripts

Hi,
  I'm having trouble figuring the syntax of AppleScript commands in
Eudora. It seems pretty confusing to me.

Are there any AppleScript examples on the Qualcomm ftp site? or on
gaea?

If anyone has any Eudora AppleScripts that they can send me, I would
appreciate it.

Thanks,
-peter
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 6 Aug 1994 20:49:55 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AS variable scoping (theory question!)

Hi folks,

Disclaimer; I'm a Scheme programmer and am used to *lexical scoping*.

So I have this procedure, which I want to name WhatsUp which draws a dialog
containing the results of some other procedures which are passed variables.


I have two top-level identifiers (variables) called InBox and BoxFolder.

(This is a script for Eudora, to flush erroneous Reply-To: headers inserted
by certain persky mailing lists (not all of them listservs, either!))

Now.  When I write some code to draw the dialog telling me how many
messages are beign flushed in what boxes etc, it runs fine when not wrapped
by an "On WhatsUp".  However, if I wrap it with an "On WhatSup()" it says
"The variable InBox is not defined."

In Scheme, if a procedure is called and does not have a local variable
named InBox, it uses the variables named InBox in the calling procedure,
and so on until it FINDS some.  Seemingly, this is not happening here.
(Lexical scoping is precisely this: variables are looked up by looking at
the TEXT of the code, fully expanded of course, until an identifier is
found.  One can determine on paper what a variable refers to.)

So of course I tried "Set InBox to InBox" in the hope that this would force
the lookup of "InBox" in the calling function, but no such luck.

Do I HAVE to declare these things global?  Is there a way, (besides
explicit passing of environments <grin>) to fake lexical scoping in AS?

Why NOT declare things global you ask?  Well, because that would presumably
override everything that I think is local, and I would have to specify all
variables local inside procedures (I think.)  Nor do I want to explicitly
pass lots of variables into functions.  I just want WhatsUp to know the
variables known to the function that called it.

Thanks for any suggestions.  (Telling me to write my own AS interpreter in
Scheme has already occurred to me, but I dunno any Schemes that can grok
appleevents.)  Pointers to an AS language spec would be really great.

~ Kiran

--
"I have never yet written anything, long or short, that did not surprise me.
 That is, for me, the greatest worth of writing, which is only incidentally
 a way of telling others what you think.  Its first use is for the _making_
 of what you think, for the discovery of understanding, an act that happens
 only in language."....................Richard Mitchell, _The Gift of Fire_

 6216 41st Avenue Hyattsville MD 20782 301/779-0756 <[e-mail]>
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 6 Aug 1994 22:47:28 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora 2.1 notification handler

Has anyone written a script with a working handler for Eudora notification
events?  I've been trying with NO success.  I'm using 2.1b35, but would be
happy to see a working handler for any version.

Thanks,

~ Kiran

--
6216 41st Avenue Hyattsville MD 20782 301/779-0756 <[e-mail]>
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 7 Aug 1994 00:19:42 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Mobilio, Dominick" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FileMaker Import Scripts

From: Mobilio, Dominick
Date: Sun, Aug 7, 1994 0:19 AM
Subject: FileMaker Import Scripts
To: MacScripting
I'm trying to write a droplet that, when you drag a few text files onto the
icon, they are imported into a FileMaker file through a script in the FileMaker
file.  How do I do this?  The problem is that the script in FileMaker either
brings up a dialog box asking you to pick the file to import or a file is hard
coded into the script.  It defeats the purpose of writing a droplet in the
first place to sit there while the droplet executes picking files one at a
time.  Does anyone have any ideas on how to do this?  Do I have to wait for the
scriptable finder?  Then I can probably change the name of the files one at a
time to match the one hard coded into the FileMaker script.

Dominick
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 6 Aug 1994 21:45:09 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AS variable scoping (theory question!)

>Hi folks,
>
>Disclaimer; I'm a Scheme programmer and am used to *lexical scoping*.
>
>So I have this procedure, which I want to name WhatsUp which draws a dialog
>containing the results of some other procedures which are passed variables.
>
>
>I have two top-level identifiers (variables) called InBox and BoxFolder.
>
>(This is a script for Eudora, to flush erroneous Reply-To: headers inserted
>by certain persky mailing lists (not all of them listservs, either!))
>
>Now.  When I write some code to draw the dialog telling me how many
>messages are beign flushed in what boxes etc, it runs fine when not wrapped
>by an "On WhatsUp".  However, if I wrap it with an "On WhatSup()" it says
>"The variable InBox is not defined."

"Naked" statement in a script are invisibly wrapped in a run handler, as if
they were all enclosed in

on run ()
...
end run

So your top-level variables are local to the run handler, and not visible
from the WhatSup handler.  You can make them global, or (perhaps better)
make them properties.

------
I'm not sure why it was designed this way...probably so something would
happen when the script is told to "run".
   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 7 Aug 1994 12:40:25 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kerry Northrup <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Anyone know of any good "timing" examples?

MR Mac - Michael Robertson <[e-mail]> writes:

::::
Rather than reinvent the wheel, I'm wondering if anyone out there knows of
any AppleScript code samples that deal with timed execution. By that I mean
a script that will accept some sort of scheduling input and create an event
which will execute at a certain date and time. An example would be to
"ping" a server at a certain time. I would like an example that was
dynamic. i.e. It received user input and then would execute at a later
time. Any help greatly appreciated and go ahead and send the scripts to me
via e-mail if you got any laying around! :)
::::

This is a good use of QuicKeys in association with AppleScript. You can have
a timed QuicKey that launches a certain script application, or loads and runs
a compiled script or sends a handler call to a running script or application.

/kj

Kerry J. Northrup
Technology Editor/Advanced Systems Lab
Gannett Co. Inc.
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 8 Aug 1994 09:31:21 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Owen Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora 2.1 notification handler

>Has anyone written a script with a working handler for Eudora notification
>events?  I've been trying with NO success.  I'm using 2.1b35, but would be
>happy to see a working handler for any version.
>
Something that would be REALLY useful is a script that would run with
MailShare, the Mac POP3 mailserver, to notify users they have mail. At the
moment, MailShare can work with Notify, but a. it's expensive, and b. it's
yet another program that I have to maintain on user's machines. Oh for a
nice clean AEVT notification!

BTW, I have Eudora 2.03; any changes in 2.1 worth shouting about, or are
there non-diclosure agreements about?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Owen Watson, The Royal Society of NZ, PO Box 598, Wellington, New Zealand
Internet [e-mail]  Ph: [phone] Fax: [phone]
The gateway to New Zealand science: http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 8 Aug 1994 00:02:20 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Boris Levitin <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Rebuild Desktop -> Extensions Off

One way to force a rebuild of the desktop files upon restart is to create
a folder called "Desktop" in the root directory of the disk and restart.
System 7 checks for an item (it doesn't check whether it's a file or folder)
by that name, because the old System 6 Desktop file was called that. Of course,
once the rebuild is done, the "Desktop" folder has to be deleted. This is
probably the only way to rebuild the Desktop files in the recommended manner
(i.e. during reboot) from a script.

Boris Levitin                                  WGBH Public Broadcasting, Boston
                                   [e-mail] * [e-mail]
              I produced this message and am solely responsible for its content
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 8 Aug 1994 07:47:37 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Judith =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kert=E9sz?= SUCHARD <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AS variable scoping (theory question!)

>Hi Richard,

>However, if I wrap it with an "On WhatSup()" it says "The variable InBox is
>not defined."

I do 2 things (one of it and some times the other)

1. you can say =3D             my InBox
2. you can set InBox as a property (or a reference to it)

My refers to the top script. It is needed for using top-level soubprogramms =
too.
Hope this work for you,

Chaleureusement,

Judith
_________________________________________
Judith Kert=E9sz Suchard                  [e-mail]
C.N.A.M. Labo Informatique             AppleLink: cnam
25, rue Mont Cenis                         Tel:[phone]
75018 Paris, France                     Fax: [phone]
_________________________________________
"La simplicit=E9, c'est le fruit d'un long effort"
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 8 Aug 1994 09:49:36 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jeffrey Hammer <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora as an MDA

>I want to have some sort of scriptable mail-delivery agent.  It only needs
>to just send mail (so far, at least).  How can I get an AppleScript to do
>this, and yet not interfere with my Eudora for personal mail?  The script
>will need to change the preferences and such, and I don't want Eudora
>retrieving mail while the script is operating, and I don't want the script
>to interfere with my reading mail.  I guess this requires running two
>copies of the Eudora application separately?  Is this possible?  Am I
>better off finding some other mail-delivery agent to use?  I suppose I
>could even write a script to open an SMTP connection.
>
>On a related note, how can I get Eudora to open a preferences file?  Maybe
>I'm being really dense, but I didn't see anything in the dictionary for it.
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Nathan Urban                                   Voice:[phone]
>System Planning Corporation (SPC)              Fax:  [phone]
>1429 North Quincy Street                       E-mail: [e-mail]
>Arlington, VA  22207                                   [e-mail]
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>--
You don't need to use different copies of the Eudora application, just make
a copy of the Eudora settings file and store it in a different folder.
Launch the program by opening the settings file.

Jeff.
 =========================================================================
Jeffrey Hammer                          |  Tel: [phone]
LMCN/NINDS/NIH                          |
Bldg. 49, Rm. 2B08                      |  FAX: [phone]
9000 Rockville Pike                     |
Bethesda, MD  20892                     |
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=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 8 Aug 1994 08:46:47 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      application suite for Frontier

Nobumi Iyanaga has contributed a Frontier suite that creates an application
table. You'll find it in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/frontier/gluefiles/appsuite.hqx

An extract from the ReadMe file follows. Enjoy

pf


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>From the ReadMe....

This suite is intended to facilitate an automatic creation of
Frontier application table for any application you want,
especially for applications that have no Apple Event support
at all or have only a minimum of Apple Event support (i.e. the
Required Suite).  For the newer and scriptable applications
(which have 'aete' resource), the best is to make their application
tables with the "Commercial Developers" suite bundled with
Frontier 3.0.  This "addToAppTableSuite" can be seen as a
correspondant tool for those applications older and non
scriptable.  When their application tables are built in the
<system.verbs.apps> table, you can control them with scripts
of type :
app.start ("Nisus");
with Nisus {
         bringToFront ();
         openDocument ("HD:Folder:Document");
         ....}.
Here is a list of new "verbs" that can be used when the application
tables are created :
a] All Applications (Apple Event aware or non aware) :
bringToFront () / doMenu (Menu, MenuItem) [<- via QuicKeys
3.0] / doQKScript (script) [<- via QuicKeys 3.0] / isRunning () /
launch () / launchWithDocument (path) / openDocument (path)
/ runQKMacro (macroName) [<- via QuicKeys 3.0]
b] Apple Event Aware Applications only :
printDocument (path) / quitApplication () / doScript (script)
[<- for applications that are controlled by their own scripts]
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 8 Aug 1994 09:22:43 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Greg Hiner <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora scripts

>Hi,
>  I'm having trouble figuring the syntax of AppleScript commands in
>Eudora. It seems pretty confusing to me.
>
>Are there any AppleScript examples on the Qualcomm ftp site? or on
>gaea?
>
>If anyone has any Eudora AppleScripts that they can send me, I would
>appreciate it.
>
>Thanks,
>-peter

Yes its not easy - for a good hint at how it's done look on qualcomm's ftp
site. Let me know if you have anymore questions.

Greg
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 8 Aug 1994 09:22:45 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Greg Hiner <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora 2.1 notification handler

>Has anyone written a script with a working handler for Eudora notification
>events?  I've been trying with NO success.  I'm using 2.1b35, but would be
>happy to see a working handler for any version.
>
>Thanks,
>
>~ Kiran
>
>--
>6216 41st Avenue Hyattsville MD 20782 301/779-0756 <[e-mail]>

Not that this is what you are really looking for but -


the problem I found with the Eudora notification event is that is brings
the script you want to do something with Eudora into the foreground and in
most cases you want this script to work in the background. My solution was
to write a bit of C code that catches the notification event and then
launches the script in the background.

Hope this isn't too far off the point.


Greg
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 8 Aug 1994 13:01:32 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Frank Lowney <[e-mail]>
Subject:      passing data to hyperCard

I need to pass large (greater than 30 K) chunks of data from AS to HC.  A
field will not handle that much data so a variable should do the trick.
However, I haven't yet been able to figure out how to pass global vars back
and forth between AS and HC.  Please enlighten me.

*********************************************************************
Dr. Frank Lowney, Director, Regional Teacher Education Center
                  System Administrator, The GC EduNET Project
CBX 034, School of Education
Georgia College, Milledgeville, GA 31061-0490
Voice: [phone]
via GC EduNET, Georgia's Statewide K-12 Education Network, telnet to:
        gcedunet.peachnet.edu
*********************************************************************
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 8 Aug 1994 14:12:59 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FileMaker Import Scripts

>I'm trying to write a droplet that, when you drag a few text files onto the
>icon, they are imported into a FileMaker file through a script in the FileMaker
>file.  How do I do this?  The problem is that the script in FileMaker either
>brings up a dialog box asking you to pick the file to import or a file is hard
>coded into the script.  It defeats the purpose of writing a droplet in the
>first place to sit there while the droplet executes picking files one at a
>time.  Does anyone have any ideas on how to do this?  Do I have to wait for the
>scriptable finder?  Then I can probably change the name of the files one at a
>time to match the one hard coded into the FileMaker script.

What I would do would be to store the contents of the dropped files into an
applescript record:
ie. set aRecord to {age:12,name:"Mark",address:"[e-mail]"}
If you don't care about the order in which the data gets put into
Filemaker, all you have to do is:
        Tell application "Filemaker Pro" to set record 1 to aRecord
where record 1 is a blank record.

Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hosptial For Sick Children
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 8 Aug 1994 11:31:53 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Hopkins <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 3 Aug 1994 to 4 Aug 1994

Roy:

Try ScriptWizard - the demo is posted on gaea
(ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/demos/ScriptWiz.Demo.sit.hqx)

The SYstem Dictionary feature lets you look at all of the OSAXEN as part of
the "System Object Suite".

We are selling it for $45 until the end of August.  If you want the order
form, its also there under
(ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/PRs/ScriptWizardPR.sit.hqx)

Best Regards,

MGH

>
>Date:    Thu, 4 Aug 1994 16:14:08 -0800
>From:    "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Index of OSAXEN
>
>
>Now, how do I do this? I am somewhat reluctant to do an 'Open Dictionary'
>in Script Editor for each OSAX.  Script Editor is not scriptable either,
>unfortunately, so I seem to be screwed.
>
>Is there any other way to extract commands from OSAXEN?
>
>-roy

Mike Hopkins                |   PH:  [phone]
Full Moon Software, Inc.    |   FAX: [phone]
P.O. Box 700237             |   CIS: 70713,2664
San Jose, CA  95170         |   AOL: MHopkins
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Date:         Mon, 8 Aug 1994 14:52:58 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Schettino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AS variable scoping (theory question!)

>Hi folks,
>
>Disclaimer; I'm a Scheme programmer and am used to *lexical scoping*.

Warning! Warning! Warning!

You will have to shift gears. AppleScript uses the following scoping rules:

A script may contain one or more handlers,
  as well as global and local data declarations.

A handler may declare local variables, or just start using them.

A variable is locally scoped to the nesting level where it is declared.


>So I have this procedure, which I want to name WhatsUp which draws a dialog
>containing the results of some other procedures which are passed variables.
>
>
>I have two top-level identifiers (variables) called InBox and BoxFolder.

>Now.  When I write some code to draw the dialog telling me how many
>messages are beign flushed in what boxes etc, it runs fine when not wrapped
>by an "On WhatsUp".  However, if I wrap it with an "On WhatSup()" it says
>"The variable InBox is not defined."

InBox and BoxFolder are must be declared as globals or properties for this
to work.

>Why NOT declare things global you ask?  Well, because that would presumably
>override everything that I think is local, and I would have to specify all
>variables local inside procedures (I think.)  Nor do I want to explicitly
>pass lots of variables into functions.  I just want WhatsUp to know the
>variables known to the function that called it.


The lookup rules are 1) try local 2) try global so:

global foo
global InBox

on whatsup()
        set fred to "test" -- fred's a local
        local foo -- will use my local because I declared it
        set foo to "temp" -- does not change global foo
        set InBox to "changed global" -- we just changed the global
end

- john

-----------------------------------------
[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
John Schettino                Waltham, MA
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 8 Aug 1994 15:17:00 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Getting the front application dilemma
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Pete Hinely" at Aug 6, 94 08:42:19 am

--Pete Hinely wrote:
>
>I want the name of the appliation that was active right before someone
>launches my script droplet.  Is there anyway to do this?

    Well, I thought the Scriptable Finder would help with this, but it
lists processes in the order that they were launched and not based on
which is in front of another like it does for disk and folder windows.
You might be able hack something together using the GTQ Scripting
Library. There is a switch to launcher OSAX that works really well for
scripts called from OSA Menu.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 8 Aug 1994 13:22:01 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FileMaker Import Scripts

>>I'm trying to write a droplet that, when you drag a few text files onto the
>>icon, they are imported into a FileMaker file through a script in the
>>FileMaker
>>file.  How do I do this?  The problem is that the script in FileMaker either
>>brings up a dialog box asking you to pick the file to import or a file is hard
>>coded into the script.  It defeats the purpose of writing a droplet in the
>>first place to sit there while the droplet executes picking files one at a
>>time.  Does anyone have any ideas on how to do this?  Do I have to wait for
>>the
>>scriptable finder?  Then I can probably change the name of the files one at a
>>time to match the one hard coded into the FileMaker script.
>
>What I would do would be to store the contents of the dropped files into an
>applescript record:
>ie. set aRecord to {age:12,name:"Mark",address:"[e-mail]"}
>If you don't care about the order in which the data gets put into
>Filemaker, all you have to do is:
>        Tell application "Filemaker Pro" to set record 1 to aRecord
>where record 1 is a blank record.

Or,

   create new record with data aRecord


[In more modern applications, that's "make new record...."]

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 8 Aug 1994 17:21:41 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         anthony brown <[e-mail]>
Subject:      searhing through an fmpro database using applescript...

Does anyone know if it is possible to do search through a filemaker pro
database using applescript w/o having to write a search routine?  I have
succesfully been able to sort a database by telling filemaker pro to sort
the database from applescript(ie, use the sort command from the filemaker
dictionary).

If it is not possible, is there a way pass a parameter to a filemaker pro
script so that all I have to do is tell it:

tell application "filemaker pro"
do script "mysearch" (I guess the parameters would be listed here)
end tell

is it possible to do something like what I am trying to do without
writing my own search routines, or am I going to have to do it the old
fashioned way and write a binary search or something?

Anthony

*********************************************************************
*                                                                   *
*  Anthony Brown, Macintosh Programming Intern, Harvard Universtiy  *
*                                                                   *
*  "Classic Rock Music Stations,  The 70's are calling,             *
*   They want their 8 - Tracks back!"                               *
*                                                                   *
*   Dolphin's Rule!! Undefeated 17 - 0  The Perfect Team 1972-73    *
*                                                                   *
*********************************************************************
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 8 Aug 1994 14:45:50 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Brian Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora 2.1 notification handler

>Something that would be REALLY useful is a script that would run with
>MailShare, the Mac POP3 mailserver, to notify users they have mail.

We have a neat little script we were showing at MacWorld that forwards mail
to an alphanumeric pager using our new product (PageNOW!). Since we support
message splitting (sending of messages larger than the usual 99 or so
characters) you can choose to forward the entire message, or just the
headers.

>At the
>moment, MailShare can work with Notify, but a. it's expensive, and b. it's
>yet another program that I have to maintain on user's machines. Oh for a
>nice clean AEVT notification!

Well it *is* a seperate app (point a), but PageNOW is about half the price
(point b) - SRP of $79.95 for single user, less for owners of other
Mark/Space products (our telecom app or CTB tools).

__________________________________________________________________________
Mark/Space Softworks                                    voice 408-293-7299
111 West Saint John, Suite 230                            fax [phone]
San Jose, CA 95113                                        bbs 408-293-7290

Macintosh connectivity software:               Internet: [e-mail]
Communicate, ZMODEM Tool, PageNOW!               AppleLink, AOL: MARKSPACE
                  Goodies at ftp.netcom.com in pub/mspace
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 8 Aug 1994 15:17:52 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: searhing through an fmpro database using applescript...

>Does anyone know if it is possible to do search through a filemaker pro
>database using applescript w/o having to write a search routine?  I have
>succesfully been able to sort a database by telling filemaker pro to sort
>the database from applescript(ie, use the sort command from the filemaker
>dictionary).
>
>If it is not possible, is there a way pass a parameter to a filemaker pro
>script so that all I have to do is tell it:
>
>tell application "filemaker pro"
>do script "mysearch" (I guess the parameters would be listed here)
>end tell
>
>is it possible to do something like what I am trying to do without
>writing my own search routines, or am I going to have to do it the old
>fashioned way and write a binary search or something?

the basic but very slow way is

show records where cell "foo" contains "bar"

[Clearly, other tests can be done.]

Much faster is to have a FileMaker script ready made which doesn nothing
(much) but select the desired records, and run that with do script.  That
implies you know in advance what they are.  And there are other variations.

show is slow enough that you will probably want to wrap it in

   with timeout of 10000 seconds --OK, it's [usually] not THAT slow
       show ...
   end timeout

since the default 3 minute timeout is probably not sufficient.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 8 Aug 1994 23:18:49 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Atul Butte <[e-mail]>
Subject:      NEW TCP/IP Scripting Addition EXAMPLES!

You asked for it... now here are three more examples using the TCP/IP
Scripting Addition.  Two of these samples use FrontMost (a.k.a. FaceSpan).

The first is a simple Finger client, using FrontMost.  The second is a
Gopher client, that not only uses FrontMost, but also uses Scriptable Text
Editor and JPEGview to let you view text and GIF gopher documents.  The
third sample is a Baby Telnet... it handles the "options negotiation" and
connects you to a telnet host (up to the "login:" prompt).

All these samples are in a Compact Pro/Binhex document, around 450K.  Fred
will probably post when it makes it into the scripts directory.  I hope
these are helpful for y'all.

I would like to remind those of you who use the Scripting Addition to
please read and follow the Licensing Information.  At this point, I have
still not receive a single DIME for the Scripting Addition... it sort of
makes it hard to justify putting more work into samples and features.

Thanks for your support.

-- Atul
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Atul Butte (MD '95)
Brown University School of Medicine

[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 8 Aug 1994 23:53:59 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Atul's tcp/ip scripts

Folks,

I just dropped Atul Butte's tcp sample scripts into the scripts directory
on gaea

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/scripts/tcp_samples.sea.hqx

These sample scripts (baby telnet, Finger Client, and Gopher Client)
require his tcp osax (which you'll find in the osaxen directory).

That follows are his comments about the scripts. Enjoy.

pf


Random Notes on the sample scripts

1. These all require the TCP/IP Scripting Addition (version 1.0)

2. All the demonstration scripts are Copyright (C) 1994 Atul Butte. All Rights
 Reserved. However, you may use any AppleScript code from the samples in your
 own programs.

3. The Finger Client is a simple FaceSpan internet finger client. It's pretty
 self-explanatory once you start it.

4. The Gopher Client also uses FaceSpan and is more sophisticated; it requires
 Scriptable Text Editor and JPEG View. Read the separate note for more details.

5. Baby telnet is a Script Editor Script. Give it the name of an internet host
 (preferably Unix) and it will telnet to that host. It takes care of options
 negotiation, pretends to be a vt100 terminal connecting to the host, and shows
 you the login prompt (and disconnects). Use this as a first-step to building
 your own automated login scripts.

6. The baby telnet script keeps running UNTIL it reads a "login:" prompt. Don't
 use my sample script to connect to hosts that don't have a "login:" prompt!

7. The Finger and Gopher clients use FaceSpan (or FrontMost) but they were saved
 as "complete applications" so you probably don't need the FaceSpan/FrontMost
 extension in your Extensions folder to run them.

If you have questions or comments, please mail me at [e-mail]


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Fred Terry  Cadence Design Systems  [e-mail]  [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 9 Aug 1994 04:46:47 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Hebert <[e-mail]>
Organization: L'AISON - Beverly Hills, Michigan
Subject:      SITComm and the window properties?

When using SITComm, several of my sessions have different font sizes, and
therefore different screen widths/heights associated with them.  For
instance, in most of my sessions, I want a 22 line, 80 column screen.  In
some I use 9pt Monaco, while in others I use 12pt.  When I switch from one to
the other, the window changes _width_ to reflect the new font size, but not
height.

I figured I could write some sort of script dealing with "bounds of window 1"
to make sure the window is in the state I like it.  However, it doesn't seem
to include windows as objects with properties - that is to say, the
dictionary doesn't define window as an object....  Just a script as simple as

Tell application "SITcomm*"  --* is the option-2 trademark symbol
bounds of window 1
end tell

doesn't work.

So....  could someone tell me either 1) if I'm wrong, and this can be done or
2) that I'm right, so that I can put my two cents in with Aladdin concerning
this (which this should serve to do, seeing as Leonard reads this list).

For clarity, I _really_ enjoy SITcomm, so don't take this wrong.  =)

Regards, and thanks,
Jay
--

==========================[e-mail]=========================
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   To Live  ||These are the pale deaths which / Men miscall their lives
     is     ||     All this I cannot bear / To witness any longer
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=======================================================================
1)  These opinions are mine.-==- 2)  Sending me mail gives me
I'm too self-interested to  -==- permission to reproduce it in any form
speak for anyone else.      -==- unless otherwise explicitly stated.
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 9 Aug 1994 08:49:14 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Frank Lowney <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: NEW TCP/IP Scripting Addition EXAMPLES!

>I would like to remind those of you who use the Scripting Addition to
>please read and follow the Licensing Information.  At this point, I have
>still not receive a single DIME for the Scripting Addition... it sort of
>makes it hard to justify putting more work into samples and features.
>
I have offered to pay you for POP3 e-mail client scripts as well as license
the osax, are you considering this?  All I need from you at this point is
your estimated fee for the whole package.  This would be a non-exclusive
arrangement meaning that you could release the POP3 scripts as a further
example of how to use the TCP/IP osax.  In fact, I would encourage that.

You would also have our OK to cite our system as a living example that
could be checked out.  We can be telnetted to at: gcedunet.peachnet.edu
The only "gotcha" here is that our terminal server has a hard-wired packet
TTL (time to live) characteristic that is too short for some connections
(i.e. California) where there are too many hops (routers, bridges, etc.) to
navigate within the TTL parameter.  If I get the funding to expand to 16
ports, this will be fixed with a new terminal server.

We are a non-profit service seeking to provide the Georgia K-12 education
community with no-cost access to electronic information and communications
opportunities.  Your TCP/IP osax will make it possible for us to provide a
measure (albeit TTY) of Internet access (beginning with e-mail and gopher)
to this largely "modem-bound" population.  At present we are able to
support 10 simultaneous users.  In other words, we would have 10 copies of
the TCP/IP osax in operation at any one time.

I may need a little help in adapting your work to our HyperCard
environment, something I have already started to do with your SendMail
example.  Please factor this into your thinking as well.

I look forward to hearing from you.

*********************************************************************
Dr. Frank Lowney, Director, Regional Teacher Education Center
                  System Administrator, The GC EduNET Project
CBX 034, School of Education
Georgia College, Milledgeville, GA 31061-0490
Voice: [phone]
via GC EduNET, Georgia's Statewide K-12 Education Network, telnet to:
        gcedunet.peachnet.edu
*********************************************************************
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 9 Aug 1994 14:54:42 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Judith Kertisz SUCHARD <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: passing data to hyperCard

If parameter does not accept it, field either (I heard now limit is 32K)
then why not dump it as text? It is not 'elegant' but it should work.


Chaleureusement,

Judith
_________________________________________
Judith Kertisz Suchard                  [e-mail]
C.N.A.M. Labo Informatique             AppleLink: cnam
25, rue Mont Cenis                         Tel:[phone]
75018 Paris, France                     Fax: [phone]
_________________________________________
"La simpliciti, c'est le fruit d'un long effort"
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 9 Aug 1994 07:34:09 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Greg Francis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FaceSpan and AppleScript Developer's Kit 1.1

--part_AA6CE1F0003D4F3C00000002
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII

> One problem with the current FaceSpan:  there is a large memory leak
> every time a FaceSpan freestanding application starts up and is
> quit.  (200K or so).
>
> There is a much smaller leak each time one of the mini-apps (the
> ones needing the runtime extension) starts and quits.
>
> The workaround is:  if it hurts, don't do it.  That is...don't plan
> on starting one of these things up over and over...start it and leave
> it running.
>
>    --John

Is this something that is going to be fixed in the next couple months? I would
like to use FaceSpan for a script I'm distributing to our clients. The
computers have to run pretty much unattended since most of our clients are
very much novices. A memory leak would kill us there.

Greg Francis


--part_AA6CE1F0003D4F3C00000002
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Disposition: Inline

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Greg Francis                | STEP/Star Schools Project
Research and Development    | Educational Service District 101, Spokane WA
Technical Support Staff     | Bringing the best in K-12 distance education
[e-mail] | to remote schools across the United States.
--part_AA6CE1F0003D4F3C00000002--
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 9 Aug 1994 07:39:17 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Greg Francis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FaceSpan and AppleScript Developer's Kit 1.1

--part_AA6CE325003D97F300000004
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII

> Then again, I may be showing my lack of familiarity with the niche AS
> has found -- are most people using it for private applications,
> or business applications? I'm using it for both, though most of the
> time is spent hacking it for my private pleasure (though it helps
> my company) ...
>
> -roy

We're using AS here to automate sending files from remote schools to a central
location. Using AS, we're able to reduce a task from about 13 steps down to a
single step. Plus, it ensures that things are archived on the sending side
properly. Many of our users are very much novices with computers so AS will be
a major plus for us.

Greg

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Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Disposition: Inline

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Greg Francis                | STEP/Star Schools Project
Research and Development    | Educational Service District 101, Spokane WA
Technical Support Staff     | Bringing the best in K-12 distance education
[e-mail] | to remote schools across the United States.
--part_AA6CE325003D97F300000004--
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 9 Aug 1994 10:42:11 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Frank Lowney <[e-mail]>
Subject:      passing data to apps

I'm still trying to find a way to pass big (> 30K) chunks of data from
AppleScript to applications such as HyperCard.  As I look at the HC
dictionary it does cite:

Class variable:  A HyperTalk variable
Properties:
        class type class [r/o] -- The class
        name character [r/o] -- The name

...but I want to set a variable, not read it.

I suppose that I could write a text file to disk with AS and then read it
into a HC global but the performance hit would be unacceptable.  It seems
so inelegant to me not to have a more direct way (w/o resort to disk access
and limited only by available memory) to share data in the case of an
attachable application such as HyperCard.


*********************************************************************
Dr. Frank Lowney, Director, Regional Teacher Education Center
                  System Administrator, The GC EduNET Project
CBX 034, School of Education
Georgia College, Milledgeville, GA 31061-0490
Voice: [phone]
via GC EduNET, Georgia's Statewide K-12 Education Network, telnet to:
        gcedunet.peachnet.edu
*********************************************************************
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 9 Aug 1994 09:56:21 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Brett Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      REMOVE USER!

  Forgive me for wasting everyone's time but the list maintainer seems
to ignore bounced mail as well as pleas for help.

  I need a user at my site removed from the list:

  [e-mail]  (the user no longer lives here)

  I would appreciate it if anyone here could get this to the
appropriate person.  I can't seem to find who that is.  Thanks!

-brett

--
Brett Watson            South Coast Computing Services, Inc
[phone]          1811 Bering, Suite 100  Houston, TX 77057
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 9 Aug 1994 09:37:20 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Peter Speck <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: passing data to apps

>I'm still trying to find a way to pass big (> 30K) chunks of data from
>AppleScript to applications such as HyperCard.  As I look at the HC
>dictionary it does cite:
>
>Class variable:  A HyperTalk variable
>Properties:
>        class type class [r/o] -- The class
>        name character [r/o] -- The name
>
>...but I want to set a variable, not read it.


Here you are:

on mouseUp
        copy ((the first item of (list disks)) & ":") to diskName
        copy "Untitled.GIF" to filename

        -- the easiest way to create variables!
        do script "global GIFTempDiskName,GIFTempFileName"

        copy diskName to variable "GIFTempDiskName"
        copy "Untitled.GIF" to variable "GIFTempFileName"
end mouseUp


This is an AppleScript within HyperCard (instead of a HyperTalk script).

---
                                      (And it was eleven o'clock
                                       which was time for a little
something)
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 9 Aug 1994 11:37:46 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Frank Concannon <[e-mail]>

OK guys

I have been banging on this for about 24 hrs and I'm stuck!

here is the script

---------------------------------------------------

set thisDisc to (text item 1 of (list disks) & ":")
set thisDiscTrash to thisDisc & "Trash:" as string
set thisDiscFinder to thisDisc & "System Folder:Finder" as string
set thisDiscSysFol to thisDisc & "System Folder:" as string


tell application "Finder"
        move to alias thisDiscTrash from {alias thisDiscFinder}
        move to alias thisDiscTrash from {alias thisDiscSysFol}
        copy to alias discVar from {alias "R&E Server:Mac Lab:Sys
Soft:System Folder:"}
end tell

-------------------------------------------------

What it is supposed to do:

when run on any Mac in our lab it will move the System Folder to the trash
and copy in a new one. (It is part of a much grander scheme so is not as
bizzare as it looks in isolation)

What it is not doing:

It is failing at the tell "Finder" nest
As outlined above it does not work, however if I substitute actual
pathnames instead of variables it works fine.

The event Log shows the variables defined (thisDiscTrash etc) all contain
the correct path information.

I have a feeling that the solution is obvious but if you could humour me I
wont do it again!


Frank C.
R&E
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 9 Aug 1994 17:52:01 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Paul G Smith <[e-mail]>
Organization: commstalk, & Full Moon Software Inc
Subject:      Re: ScriptWizard Freeze

In Regards to your letter <[e-mail]>:
> >I posted the following to MACSCRPT and received no replies (yet) so I
> >thought I'd go right to the source.
> >
> >I've been trying out the ScriptWizard Demo. I'm very impressed and
> >considering ordering it before the current special ends (end of the month, I
> >think).
> >
> >However... every time I try to do a find on a script I get some sort of
 serious
> >system error. No error message, just a complete freeze of the Mac. Can't get
> >to MacsBug, can't force quit, the only alternative is to restart. I tried
 this
> >with most extensions off (except AS, of course) and still got the freeze.
> >
> >Is this a known problem (hopefully) with the demo? Will the real ScriptWizard
> >work just fine?
> >
> >Peter Fleck
> >[e-mail]


Peter:

This bug is supposed to be fixed by the 1.0.1fc1 update, which we have
posted on gaea for downloading via FTP.

However, while demonstrating SW at MacWorld in Boston, we did see it
fail just once during a Find, although we were unable to reproduce the
failure afterwards. We will be doing more tests this week, to be sure.
If any SW user has seen this happen with a patched 1.0.1 copy of SW
please let us know; otherwise I think we can safely say that 1.0.1 will
solve the problem for you.

(ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/demos/SW1.01fc1.sit.hqx)


best regards, Paul

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=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 9 Aug 1994 10:56:21 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: passing data to apps

>I'm still trying to find a way to pass big (> 30K) chunks of data from
>AppleScript to applications such as HyperCard.  As I look at the HC
>dictionary it does cite:
>
>Class variable:  A HyperTalk variable
>Properties:
>        class type class [r/o] -- The class
>        name character [r/o] -- The name
>
>...but I want to set a variable, not read it.

All you have to do is set the variable:

I used the HyperCard message box to create a global variable named Test,
and put a recognizable (and very clever:  "This is a test.") value into it.

Then I ran:

tell application "HyperCard"
    get variable "Test"
end tell

which correctly returned "This is a test."

Then I ran this:

tell application "HyperCard"
    set variable "Test" to ((get variable "Test") & "  This is some more test.")
    set variable "Test2" to "Here we go again"
end tell


and used the message box in HC to look at globals test and test2.  Both had
the values I expected.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 9 Aug 1994 15:55:21 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora 2.1 notification again

A few things Steve Dorner has said make me wonder if it's possible to write
_AppleScript_ handlers for the 2.1 notification events AT ALL.  (He says it
works fine in Frontier.)  Since 2.1 is in LATE beta, if there's a problem
with notices I'd like to catch it before the release if I can. If anyone
has handlers for 2.1 or 1.4.3 that are known to work, PLEASE send them to
me.  Heck, send me ANY event handlers, so I can meditate upont them....

Here's the supposed syntax of the events, from the 2.1b35 dictionary; if
anyone has a good guess as to what handlers should look like, please send
those too.

start notifying: Notify an application of things that happen
        start notifying  reference  -- an application to notify
                [when  mail arrives/mail sent/will connect/has connected]
                --what to notify the application of

stop notifying: Stop notifying applications of things that are happening
        stop notifying  reference  -- an application currently being notified
                [when  mail arrives/mail sent/will connect/has connected]
                --the things no longer to notify it of

notice: Eudora sends this event to notify an application that something happened
        notice
                [occurrence  mail arrives/mail sent/will connect/has connected]
                --what happened
                [messages  list]
                -- of the messages involved

Many thanks in advance.

~ Kiran

--
6216 41st Avenue Hyattsville MD 20782 301/779-0756 <[e-mail]>
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 9 Aug 1994 13:39:48 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Shaff <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Dealing with unaware applications

Greetings,

Some collegues are looking build a library kiosk on a Macintosh.  The stations
would have network applications (MacSamson, Mosaic, gopher, webster, etc)
available for use by students.  One of their objectives is to be able to have a
piece of software that looks for a long period of inactivity, puts a dialog box
on the screen warning the user, then does an automatic shutdown of all open
applications, returning the system to a standardized starting point for the
next user who comes along.

This raises the question of how to deal with AS unaware applications.
Applications, such as Stanford's MacSamson, often present dialogs when exiting.
AppleScript aware applications, as I understand it, should understand, "without
questions."  But, how does one deal with the others?  Unfortunately AS unaware
application are still the majority.

Anyone?

I would be interested in talking with anyone on the list that is looking at
kiosk issues (I would imagine the discussion would not involve directly this
group).

Thanks,

Michael
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 9 Aug 1994 16:39:13 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Frank Concannon <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Dealing with unaware applications

>Greetings,
>
>Some collegues are looking build a library kiosk on a Macintosh.  The stations
>would have network applications (MacSamson, Mosaic, gopher, webster, etc)
>available for use by students.  One of their objectives is to be able to have a
>piece of software that looks for a long period of inactivity, puts a dialog box
>on the screen warning the user, then does an automatic shutdown of all open
>applications, returning the system to a standardized starting point for the
>next user who comes along.
>
>This raises the question of how to deal with AS unaware applications.
>Applications, such as Stanford's MacSamson, often present dialogs when exiting.
>AppleScript aware applications, as I understand it, should understand, "without
>questions."  But, how does one deal with the others?  Unfortunately AS unaware
>application are still the majority.
>
>Anyone?
>
>I would be interested in talking with anyone on the list that is looking at
>kiosk issues (I would imagine the discussion would not involve directly this
>group).
>
>Thanks,
>
>Michael


Cron

Frank C.
R&E
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 9 Aug 1994 18:24:38 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Major memory leak

I seem to have an applet, a very simple script that runs at startup and
tells Eudora to check mail, and leaves behind a mere 4-500K (that's not a
typo) in my system heap.  When I bumped its memory allocation down, it
grumbled that it couldn't run due to insufficient memory, but it does this
when running in 200K.

Anyone have a clue as to what's going on here?

I have three other scripts that I run from OSA Menu, and none of them show
this behavior.  (When I'm using the script editor, I see about 800K in the
system heap, btw, but it goes away on quit.)

The script in question is TOO trivial to include in this post!
But I will anyway.

tell application "Eudora2.1b35"
        with timeout of 600 seconds
                activate
                connect with sending and checking
                open mailbox "In"
        end timeout
end tell

This version is shorter than the original by a couple of sets, three
closes, and a try, but it still has the same problem.  I'm running it via
an alias in my startup items folder.

~ Kiran <[e-mail]>

--
6216 41st Avenue Hyattsville MD 20782 301/779-0756 <[e-mail]>
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 9 Aug 1994 16:37:32 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kee Nethery [phone] <[e-mail]>
Subject:      eudora 2.0.3 vs 1.4.x

I just purchased and installed the commercial version of eudora. Why pay
money for the commercial version?

I thought I'd have a look at it and frankly, I really like the filters. It
is trivial to have eudora 2.0.3 sort incoming mail and group mail from
various mailing lists together into separate mail folders. Also, eudora
2.0.3 can sort the mail based upon a variety of attributes, I use by
Subject. Thus, when I finally get around to reading through all the
MacScripting messages on some topic, they are all grouped together
sequentially by topic. Also, since I do not do Frontier, I have it
automatically delete MacScripting messages that have frontier in the
subject heading.

Yes I could do all this with AppleScript but frankly, the time it would
take me to build this nice of a sort front end is worth more than the cost
of the commercial version. I recommend it if you are still using the
shareware version. It's very nice.

My opinion,
Kee Nethery

_________________________________________________________________
Kagi Engineering, 1442-A Walnut #362, Berkeley, CA 94709-1405 USA
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 9 Aug 1994 23:17:19 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Frontmost application

I don't recall if the thread about determining the frontmost application with
scriptable Finder was resolved successfully.  In any case, here is syntax
that will give you the frontmost app:

tell application "Finder"
 processes whose frontmost is true
end tell

Love them "whose" clauses.

Danny Goodman
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 10 Aug 1994 17:15:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Can't write new script! (not)

"John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]> writes:

>>I'm guessing that somehow, because I had just tried out Frontier Runtime
>>but was no longer running it, there was a blank choice selected as the
>>default scripting language.
>
>It's an interesting feature of Script Editor.  I can't say it's wrong,
>since it makes sense that someone would want to work in the same language
>most of the time.

The bug is that the previously-chosen scripting component may no longer be
valid, because the user has deinstalled it (as happened in this case). The
Script Editor really needs to check for this case.

The main thing that annoys me is that I always want AppleScript to be my
default scripting language, even though I sometimes want to use QuicKeys
Script. However, the Script Editor keeps insisting on defaulting to the
language I used last. Here's a semi-useful thing you might want to try: in
your Preferences folder, you will find a file called "AppleScript Preferences"
which, contrary to its name, is only used by the Script Editor. Open this
with ResEdit. Inside is a number of resources, in particular one of type
"Comp". This contains the four-byte type code for your last-chosen scripting
component. Change its contents to the code for your preferred component,
if necessary (eg "ascr" for AppleScript). Now do a Get Info on the resource,
and set the Protected bit. Save your changes and close the file.

Now each time you run the Script Editor, each new window will, unfortunately,
continue defaulting to the scripting component you chose in the previous
window. However, when you quit the Script Editor, you will get the error
message "could not update the preferences file because of a program error".
Then when you next start it up again, the default will revert back to the
one you wanted.

It's an imperfect workaround, but what the hey...

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 9 Aug 1994 22:47:32 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Frontmost application

At 23:17 8/9/94 -0400, Danny Goodman wrote:
>I don't recall if the thread about determining the frontmost application with
>scriptable Finder was resolved successfully.  In any case, here is syntax
>that will give you the frontmost app:
>
>tell application "Finder"
> processes whose frontmost is true
>end tell
>
>Love them "whose" clauses.

Cavaet:  if you get back an empty list, Finder (or something else lurking
the System, as seen in the About This Macintosh window) is in front.  Try
this:

tell application "Finder"
    activate
    processes whose frontmost is true
end tell

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 10 Aug 1994 17:48:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Sender's address

Tero Loimuneva <[e-mail]> writes:

>--Lawrence
>>If you had
>>an osax that called AEGetTheCurrentEvent, and you invoked this from within
>>a script handler, would you get a copy of the event currently being handled?
>
>I thought of the osax too but does the osax get ANYTHING about the original
>AppleEvent sent to the whole handler - I doupt.

I suspect you are right. Before opening my mouth, I didn't think through the
fact that osaxes are invoked as AppleEvent handlers themselves, so a call
to AEGetTheCurrentEvent from within an osax would always return the event
that invoked the osax!

When AppleScript 1.0 came out, one of the first things I wished for, after
using HyperCard for so long, was callbacks. Imagine if the scripting component
passed the script context along with its own component instance as parameters
of each AppleEvent it sends, or there was a special address you could send
AppleEvents to, or something. What sort of things would you want to do with
callbacks from an osax? You could:

* ask AppleScript to spin its cursor (and give time to other applications)
while you were performing a time-consuming operation. It could even return a
code to you if the user hit command-dot, so you could abort what you were doing.

* get and set the values of variables--both those local to currently-executing
handlers, and global ones.

* invoke handlers and evaluate general expressions within the same script
context.

* trace through the chain of currently-active handlers and events (useful
for debugging, as well as for solving the problem that prompted this thread!).

Basically, these things allow your osax to look very much as though it was
just another handler within the script. HyperCard provides similar callback
functionality to its externals, and again, this allows very close integration
between those externals and HyperTalk code.

Another thing I'd like to see is some way of dynamically synthesizing a
script object from a program--really, a form of AEInstallEventHandler that
let you install a handler into a specific script object. The program could
then pass the script object to another program, to provide an inter-program
callback facility via AppleEvents. Of course, what happens when you try to
pass such a script object across the network is another issue.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 9 Aug 1994 22:46:33 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kee Nethery [phone] <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: How does AS know which osax to use?

I encountered this problem where two osax had the same command but
different parameters. I solved the problem with the following kind of
arrangement. I forget whether I had to give the document path or not but
this did allow me to specify which osax was to receive the command.

tell document <name of osax here>
    blah blah blah
end tell

Kee Nethery

_________________________________________________________________
Kagi Engineering, 1442-A Walnut #362, Berkeley, CA 94709-1405 USA
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 10 Aug 1994 03:24:02 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Dealing with unaware applications

>Greetings,
>
>Some collegues are looking build a library kiosk on a Macintosh.  The stations
>would have network applications (MacSamson, Mosaic, gopher, webster, etc)
>available for use by students.  One of their objectives is to be able to have a
>piece of software that looks for a long period of inactivity, puts a dialog box
>on the screen warning the user, then does an automatic shutdown of all open
>applications, returning the system to a standardized starting point for the
>next user who comes along.
>
>This raises the question of how to deal with AS unaware applications.
>Applications, such as Stanford's MacSamson, often present dialogs when exiting.
>AppleScript aware applications, as I understand it, should understand, "without
>questions."  But, how does one deal with the others?  Unfortunately AS unaware
>application are still the majority.
>
>Anyone?
>
>I would be interested in talking with anyone on the list that is looking at
>kiosk issues (I would imagine the discussion would not involve directly this
>group).
>
>Thanks,
>
>Michael

For the timing, you could use the Frontier idle-time extension. Frontier
isn't required; the extension installs a gestalt selector which allows you
to query the idle time.

For dealing with un-aware applications, I think you can easily make
KeyQuencer do what you want. It's the best US$10 you'll ever spend!

        David

David Lewis     Seagate Technology      [phone]  [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 10 Aug 1994 07:56:46 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Frank Lowney <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: passing data to apps

Thank you. Thank you.

I was able to adapt your example to my purposes and it seems to work quite
well.

>Here you are:
>
>on mouseUp
>        copy ((the first item of (list disks)) & ":") to diskName
>        copy "Untitled.GIF" to filename
>
>        -- the easiest way to create variables!
>        do script "global GIFTempDiskName,GIFTempFileName"
>
>        copy diskName to variable "GIFTempDiskName"
>        copy "Untitled.GIF" to variable "GIFTempFileName"
>end mouseUp
>
>
>This is an AppleScript within HyperCard (instead of a HyperTalk script).
>
>---
>                                      (And it was eleven o'clock
>                                       which was time for a little
>something)

*********************************************************************
Dr. Frank Lowney, Director, Regional Teacher Education Center
                  System Administrator, The GC EduNET Project
CBX 034, School of Education
Georgia College, Milledgeville, GA 31061-0490
Voice: [phone]
via GC EduNET, Georgia's Statewide K-12 Education Network, telnet to:
        gcedunet.peachnet.edu
*********************************************************************
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 10 Aug 1994 08:52:03 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Steven L. Rohall" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora 2.1 notification again

At  3:55 PM 8/9/94 -0400, you wrote:
...
>
>Here's the supposed syntax of the events, from the 2.1b35 dictionary; if
>anyone has a good guess as to what handlers should look like, please send
>those too.
>
...

I don't have any scripts to send you.  I tried to use notification once,
but discovered that 2.0.x would not do its own filtering if you had
notification turned on.  All I wanted to do was count incoming messages and
let Eudora continue to filter them.  Perhaps there should be a switch on
the notification request as to whether or not you want Eudora to do its own
filtering?

                                -Steve.
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 10 Aug 1994 09:44:22 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Frontmost application

>Cavaet:  if you get back an empty list, Finder (or something else lurking
>the System, as seen in the About This Macintosh window) is in front.

Interesting, and inconsistent (what else is new!).  So the Finder is an
application, but not a process.  Well, then perhaps if the "processes whose
frontmost is true" statement returns empty, then you know to use Finder
commands to figure out which window is on top. YAW(orkaround).

Danny Goodman
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 10 Aug 1994 10:33:40 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kaz Shinomiya <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: REMOVE USER!

Please remove me from lists [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 10 Aug 1994 08:47:15 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Frontmost application

At 09:44 8/10/94 -0400, Danny Goodman wrote:
>>Cavaet:  if you get back an empty list, Finder (or something else lurking
>>the System, as seen in the About This Macintosh window) is in front.
>
>Interesting, and inconsistent (what else is new!).  So the Finder is an
>application, but not a process.  Well, then perhaps if the "processes whose
>frontmost is true" statement returns empty, then you know to use Finder
>commands to figure out which window is on top. YAW(orkaround).

It gets more interesting, Danny...play with this variation as a starting
point (yes, I know there *should* only be one process with frontmost set
true...I'm driving defensively here):

tell application "Finder"
    --activate
    set allProcs to about this macintosh
end tell
set frontProcs to {}
repeat with p in allProcs
    if frontmost of p then
        --set end of frontProcs to p  --same either set or copy
        copy p to end of frontProcs
    end if
end repeat
frontProcs


=46or me, just now, that returned:

{item 2 of {process "Eudora2.0.3Fat" of application "Finder", process
"Script Editor" of application "Finder", process "System Software" of about
this macintosh of application "Finder", process "UserLand Frontier=81" of
application "Finder"}}

=46inder's "about this macintosh" property is similar to the list of
processes elements, but includes each thing which has its own bar in the
About This Macintosh window, including the System Software catchall, rather
than skipping Finder.

And don't hard-code this too deeply:  the Finder Scripting Guide strongly
suggests that a future Finder will include Finder amongst the processes.
So it's probably best to use the original, and then special-case:

tell application "Finder"
set frontProc to processes where frontmost is true
end tell
if frontProc is {} then
   -- Finder is in front
else
   -- something else is in front
end if

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 10 Aug 1994 11:26:10 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lee, Dale" <[e-mail]>
Organization: Biola University
Subject:      XCMD OSAX & MS Mail XCMD

Does anyone have any experience with the xcmd osax and the Microsoft Mail
xcmd? I'm trying to determine whether it's possible to have an applescript
pull messages from a special mailbox and create Now Up To Date calendar
events.

(As an aside, I've noticed that the Mail xcmd has a XFCN resource, but no
XCMD resource. Will this be a problem?)

I know that the NUD events work, but I haven't any experience with the xcmd
osax. Any out there that has?

Dale Lee
Mgr., Distributed Computer Services
Biola University, La Mirada  CA
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 10 Aug 1994 15:58:40 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Dave Griffin, Ferris State University" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      HOW 2 signoff

I successfully signed off the Macintosh Scripting Systems discussion
list and thought I would share the info with others.

I enjoy the list, but I receive too many mail messages each day and have
decided to signoff this list for now.
*********

TO:  [e-mail]
Subject:
message:  signoff macscrpt

**********

The trouble that I had in signing off resulted from the fact that
I had subscribed from a Bitnet mail address that has been changed to
an internet mail address.

The discussion list Macintosh Scripting Systems is actually
at two different addresses:

[e-mail]  [e-mail]

BUT the listserv, the place to send subscribtion requests and signoff
requests is:  [e-mail]


I hope that this is helpful to others.

Please send responses to this message to my address directly because
I am no longer on the list...

Thank you.

Dave Griffin,  [e-mail]

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Date:         Wed, 10 Aug 1994 14:53:31 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Carl Carlson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Buy FileMaker Pro???

I am using a HyperCard data base and HyperCard's superb string tools to
generate mosaic-compatible html strings which I pass to my World Wide Web
server via AS.  I am pondering changing to a "real" data base program that
supports things equivalent to:

find all records that have star in field site name

With HyperCard, of course, "find " only finds the first record.

I looked at FileMaker Pro, but it seems to have a paltry internal scripting
language.  Wether it could assemble a html string and export it to AS seems
unlikely.

Any perspectives to offer regarding:

FileMaker Pro
Foxbase Pro
HyperCard search XCMDs
other?

Thanks

Carl A. Carlson
U.S.Geological Survey
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 10 Aug 1994 15:14:15 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Frontier silently truncates string literals

While strings in Frontier (v3.0.3) can be long (probably 32K, I'd guess),
the following construct fails as part of a script:

scratchpad.stringExample = "\
  bunch of stuff...\r\
  more stuff...\r\
  still more till the\r\
  total length is greater\r\
  than 255 characters\
  "

scratchpad.stringExample will have a length of 255 and the rest will be
thrown on the floor. It would be nice if string literals could be as long
as strings, but failing that the compiler should at least tell you it was
doing this. Is there some patch I can make to the system to work around
this problem? Thanks.

        David


David Lewis     Seagate Technology      [phone]  [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 10 Aug 1994 15:21:41 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Shaff <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Default folder

Greetings,

Currently I am using Finder Liason to set the default folder before launching
an application.  A rather bulky solution.

Are there alternatives?  My interest is to find to solutions.  The first for
the many nonscriptable finders and other the syntax for the scriptable finder.

As always, thanks!

Michael
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Date:         Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:02:24 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kee Nethery [phone] <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Buy FileMaker Pro???

>I am using a HyperCard data base and HyperCard's superb string tools to
>generate mosaic-compatible html strings which I pass to my World Wide Web
>server via AS.  I am pondering changing to a "real" data base program that
>supports things equivalent to:
>
>find all records that have star in field site name
>
>With HyperCard, of course, "find " only finds the first record.
>
>I looked at FileMaker Pro, but it seems to have a paltry internal scripting
>language.  Wether it could assemble a html string and export it to AS seems
>unlikely.
>
>Any perspectives to offer regarding:
>
>FileMaker Pro
>Foxbase Pro
>HyperCard search XCMDs
>other?
>
>Thanks
>
>Carl A. Carlson
>U.S.Geological Survey

Oh yes!

I am using Butler from Everyware in Canada. It is a MacOS based DAL (Data
Access Language) database. I access it with DataScript, a DAL to
AppleScript translator (Applelink is Knowledgeable or something like that).
The combination is sweet.

Kee Nethery
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Date:         Thu, 11 Aug 1994 11:22:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Buy FileMaker Pro???

Carl Carlson <[e-mail]> writes:

>I am using a HyperCard data base and HyperCard's superb string tools to
>generate mosaic-compatible html strings which I pass to my World Wide Web
>server via AS.  I am pondering changing to a "real" data base program that
>supports things equivalent to:
>
>find all records that have star in field site name
>
>With HyperCard, of course, "find " only finds the first record.

Perhaps I should point out, with HyperCard you can do something like

        mark cards where field "site name" contains star

then use "go to next marked card" to visit all the cards matching the
criterion.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 10 Aug 1994 18:04:47 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Greg Francis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Changing the Chooser name and searching the startup disk

Is there a good way to get and change the name of the user in the Sharing
Setup control panel? I've been the osaxen Extract Resource to get the user
name up to this point but now I want to change it. I'm worried about using Add
Resource on the System file.

Also, does anyone have a rapid way of searching the startup disk for a folder?
I also need to be able to find multiple occurances of the folder. The script I
wrote is dog slow but works. I would like something fast that works.

Thanks a alot.

Greg Francis
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Date:         Thu, 11 Aug 1994 00:35:17 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Ben Clemens <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: REMOVE ME PLEASE

Sorry, couldn't find the protocol for unsubscribing to this list. Could the
admin remove me please?
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 10 Aug 1994 22:09:27 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      MacPGP

Didn't someone indicate some time ago that you could script MacPGP? How
come I can't open its dictionary?

-roy

Roy S. Rapoport                                       [e-mail]
2095 Rose St                                    Berkeley   CA   94709
Berkeley Systems would have to pay me a lot more if they wanted me to
speak for them.
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 11 Aug 1994 01:13:40 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Nikolaos Daniel Willmore <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MacPGP

As Pete Hinely would tell you if you were a Usenet addict, only MacPGP2.3aV1.1
or MacPGP2.6ui have aete resources, and thus will do Apple Script.

Look on ftp.csn.org in /mpj/... where README.MPJ tells the name of the directory
with pgp stuff in it, for MacPGP2.6ui (English version).

 - Nik
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Date:         Thu, 11 Aug 1994 03:48:51 -0300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Bill Hutten <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Buy FileMaker Pro???

>I am using a HyperCard data base and HyperCard's superb string tools to
>generate mosaic-compatible html strings which I pass to my World Wide Web
>server via AS.  I am pondering changing to a "real" data base program that
>supports things equivalent to:
>
>find all records that have star in field site name
>
>With HyperCard, of course, "find " only finds the first record.
>Any perspectives to offer regarding:
>
>FileMaker Pro
>Foxbase Pro
>HyperCard search XCMDs
>other?



You could do all this easily in 4D. I've been doing some experimenting with
generating HTML code from a 4D database and it's trivial. 4D can send and
recieve AppleEvents, and obviously has a powerful and flexible database
engine. Of course, it's about $600.



- bill


| Bill Hutten - [e-mail]
| 6411 Cloverdale Rd. Halifax, NS Canada B3L 2N6   [phone]
|     "Hard to love, when you're bracing for impact." - Martin Amis
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 11 Aug 1994 00:21:07 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Frontier silently truncates string literals

>While strings in Frontier (v3.0.3) can be long (probably 32K, I'd guess),
>the following construct fails as part of a script:
>
>scratchpad.stringExample = "\
>  bunch of stuff...\r\
>  more stuff...\r\
>  still more till the\r\
>  total length is greater\r\
>  than 255 characters\
>  "
>
>scratchpad.stringExample will have a length of 255 and the rest will be
>thrown on the floor. It would be nice if string literals could be as long
>as strings, but failing that the compiler should at least tell you it was
>doing this. Is there some patch I can make to the system to work around
>this problem? Thanks.
>
Unfortunately, there do still seem to be a few places where the effect is
as if a Pascal-style string were used.  [There used to be more...most of
them got taken care of in Frontier 2.]

I think you can do what you want by adding together a series of shorter strings.

scratchpad.stringExample = \
  "bunch of stuff...\r" +\
  "more stuff...\r" +\
  "still more till the\r" +\
  "total length is greater\r" +\
  "than 255 characters"

If the string is really constant, you should also be able to write it into
your root file as a resource (not an 'STR ' resource...those are Pascal
strings.  'TEXT' would be appropriate (and ResEdit knows about those, so
they are fairly simple to manipulate).  Use a unique ID fairly high up but
below 25,000, to give yourself the best chance to avoid collisions.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 11 Aug 1994 04:54:27 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Changing the Chooser name

At 10:04 PM 8/10/94, Greg Francis wrote:

> Is there a good way to get and change the name of the user in the Sharing
> Setup control panel? I've been the osaxen Extract Resource to get the user

I just saw notice of a new osax on sumex.  Excerpts:

> Users and Groups 'osax' 1.1b
> From: Quinn <[e-mail]>

> manipulate your Users & Groups Data File from AppleScript.  Many operations
> are supported including adding, changing and deleting users, authenticating

> Note: An earlier version of this osax was previously bundled with Peter N
> Lewis' Script Daemon.  This version represents a serious improvement over

> [Archived as /info-mac/dev/users-and-groups-osax-11b.hqx; 39K]
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 2 Nov 1997 16:19:12 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Frontier silently truncates string literals

>>While strings in Frontier (v3.0.3) can be long (probably 32K, I'd guess),
>>the following construct fails as part of a script:
>>
>>scratchpad.stringExample = "\
>>  bunch of stuff...\r\
>>  more stuff...\r\
>>  still more till the\r\
>>  total length is greater\r\
>>  than 255 characters\
>>  "
>>
>>scratchpad.stringExample will have a length of 255 and the rest will be
>>thrown on the floor. It would be nice if string literals could be as long
>>as strings, but failing that the compiler should at least tell you it was
>>doing this. Is there some patch I can make to the system to work around
>>this problem? Thanks.
>>
>Unfortunately, there do still seem to be a few places where the effect is
>as if a Pascal-style string were used.  [There used to be more...most of
>them got taken care of in Frontier 2.]
>
>I think you can do what you want by adding together a series of shorter
>strings.
>
>scratchpad.stringExample = \
>  "bunch of stuff...\r" +\
>  "more stuff...\r" +\
>  "still more till the\r" +\
>  "total length is greater\r" +\
>  "than 255 characters"
>
Hi John,

I guess I didn't make myself sufficiently clear. I'd like to be able to use
the original construct because it's visually cleaner, and seems to execute
a good deal faster. (It seems that Frontier isn't being smart enough to
realize that it could concatenate the strings at compile time.) What I'd
like is just something that would give me a scriptError when the truncation
occurred.

        David

David Lewis     Seagate Technology      [phone]  [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 11 Aug 1994 08:43:42 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Hon, Michael T" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Dealing with unaware applications

:>This raises the question of how to deal with AS unaware applications.
:>Applications, such as Stanford's MacSamson, often present dialogs when
exiting
:>AppleScript aware applications, as I understand it, should
understand,"without
:>questions."  But, how does one deal with the others?  Unfortunately AS
unaware
:>application are still the majority.

:For dealing with un-aware applications, I think you can easily make
:KeyQuencer do what you want. It's the best US$10 you'll ever spend!

Another option (though not AppleScript) is the control panel Okey-Dokey, whose
sole purpose in existence is to thwack the default button in a dialog after a
specified period of time.  Since it doesn't know the difference between normal
use and when you've called for a shutdown with AppleScript, you'll want to set
the threshold high.  Otherwise, your users might be surprised by applications
automagically hitting OK for them.

You ought to find Okey-Dokey in the usual places.  I believe it was written by
Apple employees, so I think it's available somewhere on ftp.apple.com if you
can't find it at your local info-mac mirror.


--
Mike Hon
Software Consultant                                 [e-mail]
Precision Task Group  Houston, TX                                  713/560-3017
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 11 Aug 1994 10:25:50 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Frontmost application

>tell application "Finder"
>set frontProc to processes where frontmost is true
>end tell
>if frontProc is {} then
>   -- Finder is in front
>else
>   -- something else is in front
>end if

Yes, this is the variation I'd use until the day the Finder comes back as a
process.

Danny
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Date:         Thu, 11 Aug 1994 10:49:21 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         jsullivan <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Buy FileMaker Pro???

I am curious about how and why some of you are using databases to generate
html codes.  If you could contact me in person I would appreciate it!

-j o n-

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[v]
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[f]
_______________________________________________________________________________
From: Macintosh Scripting Systems on Wed, Aug 10, 1994 6:55 PM
Subject: Buy FileMaker Pro???
To: Multiple recipients of list MACSCRPT

I am using a HyperCard data base and HyperCard's superb string tools to
generate mosaic-compatible html strings which I pass to my World Wide Web
server via AS.  I am pondering changing to a "real" data base program that
supports things equivalent to:

find all records that have star in field site name

With HyperCard, of course, "find " only finds the first record.

I looked at FileMaker Pro, but it seems to have a paltry internal scripting
language.  Wether it could assemble a html string and export it to AS seems
unlikely.

Any perspectives to offer regarding:

FileMaker Pro
Foxbase Pro
HyperCard search XCMDs
other?

Thanks

Carl A. Carlson
U.S.Geological Survey
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 11 Aug 1994 07:59:16 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Frontier silently truncates string literals

David Lewis wrote

>While strings in Frontier (v3.0.3) can be long (probably 32K, I'd guess),
>the following construct fails as part of a script:

[demonstration of error not repeated again here]

Indeed, after my last reply, I made a 1925 byte TEXT resource in ResEdit
(pasted in several repeats of the start of the Gettysburg Address, and put
it into my root as id 24990.

Then I ran these two statements:

rez.getResource (frontier.getFilePath(), 'TEXT', 24990, @scratchpad.aaaa)
scratchpad.aaaa = string (scratchpad.aaaa)

[The first creates a binary [TEXT] object...the second makes it a normal
string.]

BTW, there really isn't a fixed limit to the size of a string:  it's just a
handle-based block of memory containing the raw text...the size is the size
maintained by the memory manager...no length field to overflow.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 11 Aug 1994 08:35:12 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Frontier silently truncates string literals

At 16:19 11/2/97 -0800, David Lewis wrote:
>Hi John,
>
>I guess I didn't make myself sufficiently clear. I'd like to be able to use
>the original construct because it's visually cleaner, and seems to execute
>a good deal faster. (It seems that Frontier isn't being smart enough to
>realize that it could concatenate the strings at compile time.) What I'd
>like is just something that would give me a scriptError when the truncation
>occurred.

Sorry...I was speaking of what one can do now.  I too would like a fix, but
that's a future matter.  I will make sure the development team at UserLand
knows about this discussion.

  --John

--John W. Baxter    Port Ludlow, WA USA   [e-mail]
  UserLand Software support
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 11 Aug 1994 09:39:39 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Default folder
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

In Mike Alldritt's Script Tools collection (or maybe it's Jon's
Commands), there is a command to get and set the default directory.

Derrick
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Date:         Thu, 11 Aug 1994 20:07:24 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Christian Orellana <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Any news on Applescript contest??

Hi all!
Does anybody know if the winners in the everyday applescript contest have
been announced??


Best regards -
Christian A.Borlund Orellana
Institute of Physics and Astronomy Aarhus University.
______________________________________________________
Internet e-mail:        [e-mail]
voice:                  [phone]
mail:                   Dr.Margrethesvej 11,3.th.
                        8200 Aarhus N, DENMARK.
______________________________________________________
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 11 Aug 1994 11:08:44 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joe Scripter <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AppleScript & Speech

When I give this command to xxx, he replies, error in script, can't set
minutes to (and then he says whatever the minutes happen to be)

The script is as follows:
set d to current date
set x to (time of d)
set hour to (x div 3600)
set x to (x - (hour * 3600))
set mins to (x div 60)
set secs to (x - (mins * 60))
if (hour = 0) then
set hourstr to "midnight "
else
if (hour > 12) then
set hour to (hour - 12)
end if
set hourstr to (hour as string) & " "
end if
if mins = 0 then
if hour = 0
set minsstr to " "
else
set minsstr to "o'clock "
end if
else
set minsstr to (mins as string) & " "
end if
if secs = 0 then
set secsstr to "exactly"
else if secs = 1 then
set secsstr to "and " & secs as string & " second"
else
set secsstr to "and " & secs as string & " seconds"
end if
acknowledge saying (hourstr & minsstr & secsstr) caption (time string of d)

What is wrong?  How do I fix it?  I don't know applescript, so if someone can
post the correct script, perhaps just by copying from the macro editor, I
would really appreciate it.


-Mike
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 11 Aug 1994 11:18:19 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joe Scripter <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AS Server Application

I'd like to write a script that would replace a server application I wrote
which accepts apple events. How do I make a script recognize and respond to
an apple event, in this case with a filespec as it's data

-Mike
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 11 Aug 1994 11:56:04 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Frontier silently truncates string literals

>At 16:19 11/2/97 -0800, David Lewis wrote:
>>Hi John,
>>
>>I guess I didn't make myself sufficiently clear. I'd like to be able to use
>>the original construct because it's visually cleaner, and seems to execute
>>a good deal faster. (It seems that Frontier isn't being smart enough to
>>realize that it could concatenate the strings at compile time.) What I'd
>>like is just something that would give me a scriptError when the truncation
>>occurred.
>
>Sorry...I was speaking of what one can do now.  I too would like a fix, but
>that's a future matter.  I will make sure the development team at UserLand
>knows about this discussion.
>
Thanks. I guess I'll put a warning in the next version of the KeyQuencer
example code.

        David

David Lewis     Seagate Technology      [phone]  [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 11 Aug 1994 15:21:35 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         jsullivan <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: XCMD OSAX & MS Mail XCMD

I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has been able to do anything
with Microsoft Mail using AppleScript or QuicKeys. I would really like to
find a way to sort my incoming mail and do some rules based stuff.

-j o n-

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[e]
Technology Reinvestment Project                      |          703/696-8947
[v]
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[f]
_______________________________________________________________________________
From: Macintosh Scripting Systems on Wed, Aug 10, 1994 4:28 PM
Subject: XCMD OSAX & MS Mail XCMD
To: Multiple recipients of list MACSCRPT

Does anyone have any experience with the xcmd osax and the Microsoft Mail
xcmd? I'm trying to determine whether it's possible to have an applescript
pull messages from a special mailbox and create Now Up To Date calendar
events.

(As an aside, I've noticed that the Mail xcmd has a XFCN resource, but no
XCMD resource. Will this be a problem?)

I know that the NUD events work, but I haven't any experience with the xcmd
osax. Any out there that has?

Dale Lee
Mgr., Distributed Computer Services
Biola University, La Mirada  CA
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 11 Aug 1994 15:41:02 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         jsullivan <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Cursor coordinates/Where FAQ?

Having failed to locate a Macintosh application for creating HTML image maps,
I decided I would write an AppleScript that would permit me to draw a
rectangle on the screen and then deliver the coordinates of the upper-left,
lower-right corners to the clipboard.  Being a novice however, I am not quite
sure how to do this.  I know that you can get the coordinates of a window
that already exists, but I need to draw an outline around a screen image.
Even if I could get the coordinates of a single click that would be fine.

Also, where is the FAQ for this list or for AS?
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 11 Aug 1994 22:45:30 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Christian Orellana <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Default folder

>In Mike Alldritt's Script Tools collection (or maybe it's Jon's
>Commands), there is a command to get and set the default directory.
>
>Derrick

As far as I recall that only sets the default directory for subsequent
calls to choose files/folders from that same osax.

Best regards -
Christian A.Borlund Orellana
Institute of Physics and Astronomy Aarhus University.
______________________________________________________
Internet e-mail:        [e-mail]
voice:                  [phone]
mail:                   Dr.Margrethesvej 11,3.th.
                        8200 Aarhus N, DENMARK.
______________________________________________________
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 11 Aug 1994 16:35:18 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         [e-mail]
Subject:      Re: Buy FileMaker Pro???

>Carl Carlson <[e-mail]> writes:


>I am using a HyperCard data base and HyperCard's superb string tools to

>generate mosaic-compatible html strings which I pass to my World Wide Web

>server via AS.  I am pondering changing to a "real" data base program tha

>supports things equivalent to:

>

>find all records that have star in field site name . . .


    I'm using FileMaker Pro with AS to serve docs (graphics, actually) via www.
I created a couple of "computed" fields in the database that construct valid
URLs from other fields in records found in the search, and do the html
formatting of the results in AS.
    So far, it works very well, but I have just a few records in the database.
Ultimately there will be a couple hundred records, and other threads on this
list have raised performance questions around FileMaker. I'm hoping that running
it all on an AWS 9150 will help in that regard.

Bill Robertson
Boston University Microcomputer Support Services
aka [e-mail]    [e-mail]
http://academy-www.bu.edu/
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 11 Aug 1994 14:39:35 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kee Nethery [phone] <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Cursor coordinates/Where FAQ?

>Having failed to locate a Macintosh application for creating HTML image maps,
>I decided I would write an AppleScript that would permit me to draw a
>rectangle on the screen and then deliver the coordinates of the upper-left,
>lower-right corners to the clipboard.  Being a novice however, I am not quite
>sure how to do this.  I know that you can get the coordinates of a window
>that already exists, but I need to draw an outline around a screen image.
>Even if I could get the coordinates of a single click that would be fine.
>
>Also, where is the FAQ for this list or for AS?

Ah! My suggestion for creating HTML pages is to get MacWeb and go looking
for pages that have the characteristics you desire. Then in the menus,
select View Source to see the text of the html that created the screen you
are looking at. Learn by example!

Kee

_________________________________________________________________
Kagi Engineering, 1442-A Walnut #362, Berkeley, CA 94709-1405 USA
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 11 Aug 1994 14:53:50 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kee Nethery [phone] <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora scripts

>  I'm having trouble figuring the syntax of AppleScript commands in
>Eudora. It seems pretty confusing to me.
>
>If anyone has any Eudora AppleScripts that they can send me, I would
>appreciate it.


-- These are scripts that run within HyperCard. The Copy Field portion
-- just grabs my message out of a HyperCard field.

-- Creates and sends a message

property outBox : "Out"
property trashBox : "Trash"
property defaults : ""
property inBox : "In"
property asBox : "AppleScript list"
property changed_C : 0
property msgbody : ""

on mouseUp
sendmail()
end mouseUp

on sendmail()
copy field "arf" to msgbody
--
-- The tricky part to this script is the weird syntax for
-- creating a new message.
--
-- Important tip:  "Message 0" is shorthand for the current message
--
tell application "Eudora2.0.3"
make message InsertHere end of mailbox outBox of mail folder ""
set field "to" of message 0 to "[e-mail]"
set field "subject" of message 0 to "this test"
set field "" of message 0 to msgbody
queue message 0
end tell
end sendmail

-- counts the mail in my eudora inbox, reads all the subjects,
-- puts them into a list, puts the list into a field.

property outBox : "Out"
property trashBox : "Trash"
property defaults : ""
property inBox : "In"
property asBox : "AppleScript list"
property changed_C : 0
property thedata : ""

on mouseUp
        run
end mouseUp

on run
set messageCount to {}
tell application "Eudora2.0.3"
activate
set messageCount to count message of mailbox inBox of mail folder ""
--display dialog "There are " & messageCount & " messages to process."
repeat with i from messageCount to 1 by -1
try
set holder to Subject of message i of mailbox inBox of mail folder defaults
set thedata to thedata & return & (holder as text)

on error
tell me
--nothing
end tell
end try
end repeat

end tell
copy thedata to field "arf"
-- display dialog messageCount & " files processed," &
-- changed_C & "files moved." as string
end run

_________________________________________________________________
Kagi Engineering, 1442-A Walnut #362, Berkeley, CA 94709-1405 USA
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 11 Aug 1994 15:14:07 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Brad Schrick <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Cursor coordinates/Where FAQ?

Maps are discussed on Chuck Shotton's excellent pages about his excellent
HTTP server, MacHTTP, which is also available there.  Check out the
'Examples' page:

http://www.uth.tmc.edu/mac_info/machttp_info.html

>Having failed to locate a Macintosh application for creating HTML image maps,
>I decided I would write an AppleScript that would permit me to draw a
>rectangle on the screen and then deliver the coordinates of the upper-left,
>lower-right corners to the clipboard.  Being a novice however, I am not quite
>sure how to do this.  I know that you can get the coordinates of a window
>that already exists, but I need to draw an outline around a screen image.
>Even if I could get the coordinates of a single click that would be fine.
>
>Also, where is the FAQ for this list or for AS?

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236 Hamilton Avenue / PO Box 66           600 S Clyde Morris Blvd
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Date:         Thu, 11 Aug 1994 18:33:00 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Steven L. Rohall" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      finder processes...

When I try something like:

tell application "Finder"
  every process
end tell

I get only application processes.  But when I use "list processes" from the
Script Tools osaxen, I get all processes, even faceless, background apps.
For my simple script, I'd like to have all processes listed.  Is there
anyway to duplicate this behavior with the scriptable finder?

                                -Steve.


+--------------------------------------------------------------+
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=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 11 Aug 1994 15:46:34 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Default folder
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

I don't have a Mac in front of me, so I could be wrong, but in my notes
it's got a get default folder and set default folder (as part of the
choose files and folders scripting addition). I'm sure Mark will see this
and clarify.

Derrick
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 12 Aug 1994 02:36:28 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Hebert <[e-mail]>
Organization: L'AISON - Beverly Hills, Michigan
Subject:      Re: Visual cues that an AppleScript is running

Taylor Leaming H3-283 <tobor.sps.mot.com!leamingt> writes:

> Greetings,
>
Warning: This particular reply may be totally unrelated to your needs... =)
> I know this may sound like a lame question, and there may even be such
> something out there somewhere already that does this, but I don't have a
lot
> of time to go hunting (and I'm not as involved in AS'ing as many of you
> obviously are) and this is certainly the right place to ask:
>
> Is there some extension, OSAX or such that will give me a visual indication
> that an AppleScript is running, other than a generic spinning cursor?
>
Not that I know of, but see my script below...

If SITcomm supported the object model (see my other posting griping about
this) then I'd say you could just change the title of the main window to
something like "Hey, I'm tryin' to run a script here..."  =)

> This is bad, since my wife (and myself) will routinely use some
AppleScripts
> that I have written for SITcomm to automate connections and such, but on
> occassion the actions will fail and AS will continue to run until it times
> out.  She (i) will notice this, and, forgetting that AS is still running
Sure... blame it on the woman... ;-)
> try to do whatever and can't until the script has been terminated.
> A visual indicator besides the boring spinning cursor would be very useful.
>
I script SITcomm extensively for the purpose of autologins as well, and have
encountered several different problems. I'm not sure which one you mean, so
I'll try to cover as many as I can. Here's a sample script that should show
you what I mean:

[Look out for wraparound lines... Oh, and * is the tm sign]
--cut here--
copy "Host Name Here" to MySession -- change this to the of your session
copy "UserId Here" to UserID -- you get the picture...
copy "Password Here" to Password
copy "UserID Prompt Here" to UserIDPrompt
copy "Password Prompt Here" to PasswordPrompt
copy 20 to TimeoutLength

(*
Pretty much everything you'll need to change is up here in a variable.
On the other hand, it doesn't need to be.  All except TimeoutLength and
MySession are only used in the one place, so changing them to literals
there won't break anything...

This script by Jay Hebert <[e-mail]>
If you use it, please leave a comment line attributing me somehow
*)

tell application "SITcomm*"
        activate
        copy (Get Address List) to AddrList
        copy (Get Current Address) to CurAdd
        copy (Get Connection Status) to ConStat
        if AddrList contains MySession then
                if ConStat = 0 then
                        tell me to GetItOn(MySession)
                else if ConStat = -1 then
                        beep
                        display dialog "SITcomm was unable to determine the conn
ection status."
buttons {"Cancel"} default button 1
                else if ConStat = 1 then
                        if CurAdd is MySession then
                                display dialog "You are already connected to \""
 & MySession & "!\""
buttons {"Cancel", "Re-Login"} default button 1
                                Disconnect
                                tell me to GetItOn(MySession)
                        else
                                display dialog "Continuing will close your curre
nt connection with \"" &
CurAdd & ".\" Proceed?" with icon 0
                                Disconnect
                                tell me to GetItOn(MySession)
                        end if
                end if
        else
                display dialog "The address book entry \"" & MySession & "\" doe
sn't
exist!" buttons {"Cancel"} default button 1
        end if
end tell

on GetItOn(MySession)
        tell application "SITcomm*"
                Connect MySession
                -- The first problem is one of not getting the prompts you expec
t...
                -- No big deal, use timeouts with trys...  Unfortunately, "with
timeout"
                --doesn't seem to work... so do it like this...
                try
                        --Send Text return & return
                        --That was necessary for my host... you can probably lea
ve it commented...
                        Wait For Text UserIDPrompt timeout TimeoutLength
                        if the result is "" then error
                        Send Text UserID & return
                        Wait For Text PasswordPrompt timeout TimeoutLength
                        if the result is "" then error
                        Send Text Password & return
                on error
                        display dialog "Something went wrong. You may continue m
anually." buttons
{"Cancel"} default button 1
                end try
                --The next problem is that sometimes my password has been change
d, or my
account
                --deleted... So I try to cover all bases for what can be thrown
at me next:
                copy (Wait For Text {"Do you wish to register as a new user?", "
UserID:",
"[more]", ">"}) to amIin
                --amIin will contain whichever item in the list tripped the Wait
.

                if amIin is in {"[more]", ">"} then
                        -- [more] tells me I'm viewing a long login banner...
                        -- > is my system's prompt
                        -- Those are the only two things that I could see and be
 logged in.
                        -- Here I could change directories, or whatever I want t
o do when I first
log on.
                        display dialog "That's all I'm gonna do... take over!"
                else
                        if amIin is "Do you wish to register as a new user?" the
n
                                --since I don't want to do that...
                                Send Text "n" & return
                                --That puts me back to a UserID prompt...
                        end if
                        --Either I'm being offered to autoregister, or I'm being
 refused
completely...
                        --In both cases, I'll let the user decide:
                        copy (display dialog "Could not log in to \"" & MySessio
n & ".\"  The
supplied UserID or password is invalid." buttons {"Disconnect", "Manual
Logon"} default button 1) to NowWhat
                        if button returned of NowWhat is "Disconnect" then
                                Disconnect
                        end if
                end if
        end tell
end GetItOn
--cut here--

> For example, a little AppleScript icon in the menu bar that blinks on and
off,
> or a trite message or even just the AS name, in the same fashion as
SuperClock,
> in the menu bar.  Perhaps maybe a dialog box with a CANCEL to obviously
kill
> the script.
This script is more along the lines of that last option...  =)
I don't use Frontier much, but maybe someone who does can suggest an easy way
to use Menu Sharing to stick a dummy menu up in the menu bar (this would
probably be pretty easy too)

>
> Does anybody have suggestions, ideas or solutions?

If you don't wanna try to reassemble this at home on your mac, I've posted
this to gaea as well...
My guess is to look for it at around (this is a guess... I sent it to
/incoming)

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/scripts/AutoLogin.sit.hqx

>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Taylor
Regards,
Jay Hebert
[e-mail]


--

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   To Live  ||These are the pale deaths which / Men miscall their lives
     is     ||     All this I cannot bear / To witness any longer
   To Die   ||     Cannot the kingdom of salvation / Take me home
=======================================================================
1)  These opinions are mine.-==- 2)  Sending me mail gives me
I'm too self-interested to  -==- permission to reproduce it in any form
speak for anyone else.      -==- unless otherwise explicitly stated.
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 12 Aug 1994 15:04:54 EETDST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tero Loimuneva <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Sender's Address
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>; from "Automatic digest
              processor" at Aug 11, 94 12:00 am

>>>an osax that called AEGetTheCurrentEvent, and you invoked this from within
>>>a script handler, would you get a copy of the event currently being handled?
>>
>>I thought of the osax too but does the osax get ANYTHING about the original
>>AppleEvent sent to the whole handler - I doupt.
>
>I suspect you are right. Before opening my mouth, I didn't think through the
>fact that osaxes are invoked as AppleEvent handlers themselves, so a call
>to AEGetTheCurrentEvent from within an osax would always return the event
>that invoked the osax!

Sad but true. I made an osax that would give me the address of the apple
events (incoming AE, reply AE and AEGetTheCurrentEvent). All had the
same address which was Current Process (psn=2).

This still bugs me a bit and one thought came into my mind (forgive me).
If I can ask the current apple event from the system then why can't I
get all the AE's that are still waiting to be handled. I mean, System
has the list of currently handled AE's SOMEWHERE - if I could find that
list I could check the first psn<>2 AE. But WHERE is the list or HOW
can I get my hands on it... IM VI nor IM InterApp Communications won't
tell it - or I'm not trying enough.

        - Loimu
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 12 Aug 1994 08:05:39 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Terry Thiel <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Second edition of Tao book
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

Where esle can we order the book?
-Terry
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 12 Aug 1994 10:14:14 +0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Al Austin <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scripting Problem - Please Help

Hello, everyone ...

I just found this list yesterday, so please excuse me if this problem
has been discussed here before.

We've been working with AppleScript 1.1 for about two weeks, trying to
automate some production processes, and have come across an interesting
situation while writing a script to copy files over a network.
Hopefully, someone else has also seen this and can offer an explanation
and/or a solution.  We're using a Quadra 950 with 24mb of RAM and System
7.1.

We have a script that we've saved as an application.  It prompts a user
for an id number which corresponds to one or more folders residing on
one or more Novell network drives.  The script goes out to the network,
finds the folder(s) and copies them to a local drive.  No problems so
far ... everything works fine.

After we process the data on the local drive, we need to get rid of it,
so we've written a cleanup script.  This also works fine.

This is the problem:  If we execute the transfer script, it remains
selected in the Finder when it completes execution.  This is normal
(last icon acted upon and all that) and is to be expected.  But, it
remains selected when we try to do something else, as if we're shift-clicking,
whether we try to open a mounted drive or run another script, and when the
second script starts to run, the first script executes as well.  For example,
if we run the transfer script, wait for it to complete execution and quit,
then immediately run the cleanup script, the transfer script will run
again at the same time as the cleanup script.  We're not shift-clicking
to select  multiple icons. In fact, we've set up aliases on the desktop so the
end-user doesn't even need to open the hard drive window.  We've assumed
that we might be jumping into the second program too quickly, but have
disproved that. We can sit until the cows come home and there will still
be two icons selected.  If we run the transfer script and let it complete
and then double-click on a mounted network drive to verify the copy, the
transfer script will start up again.  This is most irritating.

This problem only occurs (so far as we've been able to determine) when
finderLib is loaded and a tell finderLib instruction contains two or more
commands, as in:

with timeout of 3000 seconds
        tell finderLib
                copyFiles from sourceFolder to destVolume with warning
                moveFiles from (listFiles at destFolder) to "wherever"
                        with warning
                moveFilesToTrash at destFolder
                emptyTrash()
        end tell
end timeout

In the above example, duplicate selection does not occur if three of
the four steps inside the tell statement are commented out.  Once any
two are executed, the duplication problem occurs.  We've also tried
eliminating the timeout, which doesn't solve the problem.  Neither does
reducing the length of the timeout, although we need the longer timeout
because some folders are over 200mb in size.  We've also tried
breaking this section out into four separate tell statements.  It buys us
an additional command execution, but the problem persists.  We've stepped
through all the code prior to this timeout section and never have a problem.
Right now, we're working around the problem by having the operator press
the TAB key at least twice before selecting any icon after the script
completes and quits.  An inelegant solution, to say the least.

Anyone have any ideas or suggestions, or has anyone else had a similar
experience?

Thanks in advance for any help.


... Al
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 12 Aug 1994 11:23:48 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Visual cues that an AppleScript is running

> Is there some extension, OSAX or such that will give me a visual indication
> that an AppleScript is running, other than a generic spinning cursor?

If you use FaceSpan as an interface builder for your app, it produces a
spinning wheel while scripts execute.

Danny Goodman
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 12 Aug 1994 11:56:12 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Roy Eassa <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Second edition of Tao book

>Where esle can we order the book?

I don't know.  I picked it up at the Expo.  I imagine the usual sources
technically-oriented bookstores, mail-order places) will have it.


--
Roy Eassa
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 12 Aug 1994 12:03:14 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Chris Hanson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Client Server scripts over AppleTalk

I was wondering if anyone had made a pair of scripts to hand information to
eachother over a appletalk network I have worked on Scripts for a while, but
never tried this, and it is always more fun to have a example to work off of.
 I do not care waht it does just looking for the communication aspect.
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 12 Aug 1994 12:42:38 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kim-son Tran <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AppleScript & Speech

>When I give this command to xxx, he replies, error in script, can't set
>minutes to (and then he says whatever the minutes happen to be)

>The script is as follows:
>set d to current date
>set x to (time of d)
>set hour to (x div 3600)
>set x to (x - (hour * 3600))
>set mins to (x div 60)
>set secs to (x - (mins * 60))
>if (hour = 0) then
>set hourstr to "midnight "
>else
>if (hour > 12) then
>set hour to (hour - 12)
>end if
>set hourstr to (hour as string) & " "
>end if
>if mins = 0 then
>if hour = 0
>set minsstr to " "
>else
>set minsstr to "o'clock "
>end if
>else
>set minsstr to (mins as string) & " "
>end if
>if secs = 0 then
>set secsstr to "exactly"
>else if secs = 1 then
>set secsstr to "and " & secs as string & " second"
>else
>set secsstr to "and " & secs as string & " seconds"
>end if
>acknowledge saying (hourstr & minsstr & secsstr) caption (time string of d)

>What is wrong?  How do I fix it?  I don't know applescript, so if someone can
>post the correct script, perhaps just by copying from the macro editor, I
>would really appreciate it.


>-Mike

--------------------------------------------------------

Mike,

I know this answer is arriving about (1 * day) late but I get the AppleScript
forum in digest form.

I'm almost certain that you have the "Audio CD" scripting addition from GTQ
Library installed. "mins" and "secs" are properties of the track information for
audio CD. If you take this scripting addition out of your "Scripting Addition"
folder then recompile (check syntax) you should have no problems. The other
solution is to change the name of your variables.

I suggest that you use the script editor's "AppleScript Formatting" feature to
set colors to represent variables and application keyword (considering you have
a color capable mac and color monitor). I copied your script to the script
monitor and compiled it and instantly noticed that you were trying to set the
result of a formula to an application keyword (that's a no-no). Since I've
worked with scripting the audio CD, I knew which scripting addition was the
culprit.

Anyway, I hope that answers your question.

Internet:   [e-mail] or [e-mail]
AOL:        [e-mail]
eWorld:     [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 12 Aug 1994 09:44:45 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Second edition of Tao book
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

I'm not sure how many BMUG has left over from the show, but we should get
our stuff back from Boston in a week or so (they come back slow boat).
You could order it directly from them when that happens.

It should start showing up in bookstores in a month or so. I don't
honestly know Hayden's production schedule for getting them out to stores.

One would think I would know more about this, wouldn't one?

Derrick
BMUG's lines:
510-549-2684 business office (voicemail system, be patient)
510-849-9026 fax

Hope that helps
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 12 Aug 1994 14:02:31 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: finder processes...
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Steven L. Rohall" at Aug 11, 94 06:33:00 pm

--Steven L. Rohall wrote:
>
>When I try something like:
>
>tell application "Finder"
>  every process
>end tell
>
>I get only application processes.  But when I use "list processes" from the
>Script Tools osaxen, I get all processes, even faceless, background apps.
>For my simple script, I'd like to have all processes listed.  Is there
>anyway to duplicate this behavior with the scriptable finder?

    Unfortunately, the Scriptable Finder doesn't seem to know about
background processes. You can use the about this macintosh property of
the SF to get the Finder as a process and the System Software as a
process, but that's about it.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 12 Aug 1994 15:31:21 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Client Server scripts over AppleTalk

>I was wondering if anyone had made a pair of scripts to hand information to
>eachother over a appletalk network I have worked on Scripts for a while, but
>never tried this, and it is always more fun to have a example to work off of.
> I do not care waht it does just looking for the communication aspect.
>[e-mail]

I have been using applescript to add a client - server element to my
Filemaker databases.  There are some flaky things about it but it has a lot
of potential.  The key is to have an applet running on both the client and
host Mac and program linking under sharing setup must be on.  Once you have
done that you can call routines across the network with the following
simple command:
tell application "host applet" of machine "host machine" of zone "host
machines zone" to hostRoutine()
It will then execute the command.  They can be tricky to debug so you will
want to get them working properly locally before running them over the net.

Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]

Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hosptial For Sick Children
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 12 Aug 1994 15:15:57 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Schettino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      The Netnews Filter Agent for the Macintosh!

<I just put this in the /incoming directory as NewNews.sit.hqx>

The Netnews Filter Agent for the Macintosh. A suite of three
applications that make dealing with Netnews simple.

By John C. Schettino, Jr. ([e-mail])

These applications were developed with AppleScript 1.1 and FaceSpan
1.0 using the Scripter's Toolkit.

A preliminary version of these applications won an Honorable Mention in the
"Everyday AppleScript Contest". This version represents the first public release
of that software.

The Netnews Filter Agent consists of three Applications:

* The NetNews Grazer (NNG)

This is an AppleScript application that interacts with an NNTP News server.
It will check for new messages on a regular basis, and will either
scan the subjects of the new messages or send email when new messages arrive.

* The NetNews Grazer Prefs

This is a FaceSpan application that lets you specify:

- The NNTP Server Name
- The SMTP Server Name
- The rate (in minutes) that NNG checks for new messages
- The email address to send the notifying email message from
- The email address to send the notifying email message to
- The set of news groups to watch, and what to look for

For each group, you may specify a list of substrings that you want to
look for. When a subject containing one of these strings is found, NNG saves the
article number.

If you do not specify any search strings for a group, you
will be notified via email (using SMTP) whenever new news arrives.

* Read interesting news

This is a FaceSpan application that lets you read the matching news articles.
It provides basic reading capabilities and is patterned after
the Internews reader from Dartmouth.

Cost:
-----
I've put a lot of effort into this project, so I've decided to
release locked versions of these three apps as Freeware. You may use
them without guilt.

With a $20 US shareware payment you'll get an upgraded version. Please
see the enclosed Read Me file.

System Requirements:
--------------------
Access to an NNTP News Server. Access to an SMTP Mail Server (if you want email
notification.)

System 7.x, AppleScript 1.1, FaceSpan 1.0, and the MacTCP system
extensions. The TCP/IP and AppleScript 1.1 Scripting Additions.

- john

-----------------------------------------
[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
John Schettino                Waltham, MA
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 12 Aug 1994 13:16:34 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Alldritt <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Default folder

Hello All,

The Set Default Folder command (in the Choose Files & Folders addition of
Script Tools) changes the default volume and folder of the *current*
application.

The effect of the Set Default Folder command is dependant on the behaviour
of the other software components you are using.  For instance, some
applications (like the Finder I think) activly manipulate the default
volume and folder.

You can use the Set Default Folder and the File IO commands of Script Tools
together.  I have also found that the following *generally* works:

tell applications "XYZ App"
    set default folder (choose folder with prompt "Pick a default folder:")
    open "my file" -- or whatever
end tell

Note that in this example, the Set Default Folder command is executed in
the context of the application.  However, the following code would have a
completly different effect.

set default folder with prompt "Pick a default folder:"
tell application "XYZ App"
    open ...
end tell

A final note: apparently, in System 7.5, the way the default volume and
folder setting operates is going to change, and so the Set Default Folder
may not work as it does now.

-Mark
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 12 Aug 1994 16:33:23 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Gib Veconi <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Calling AppleEvents with AI

I'm trying to find some info on how to call AppleEvents directly from
AppleScript so I can control an AE-aware, but non-scriptable, application (
GeoQuery). I've opened scripts before which have shown what looks like
AppleEvent notation in angle brackets, but I can't find any reference in the
AppleScript manuals to explain this usage.

If anyone knows a good source for this info (or has done work with GeoQuery
and AppleScript), I'd be grateful to hear from you. Thanks.

Gib Veconi
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 12 Aug 1994 13:45:02 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Cohen <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Calling AppleEvents with AI
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]> from "Gib Veconi" at Aug
              12, 94 04:33:23 pm

>
> I'm trying to find some info on how to call AppleEvents directly from
> AppleScript so I can control an AE-aware, but non-scriptable, application (
> GeoQuery). I've opened scripts before which have shown what looks like
> AppleEvent notation in angle brackets, but I can't find any reference in the
> AppleScript manuals to explain this usage.
>
> If anyone knows a good source for this info (or has done work with GeoQuery
> and AppleScript), I'd be grateful to hear from you. Thanks.
>
> Gib Veconi
> [e-mail]
>
I haven't seen too much about that notation, but the format is

Tell application "whatever" to
        <<event XXXXYYYY>> <<class ZZZZ>> some value
End Tell

Of course "<<" and ">>" are realy opt-\ and shift-opt-\. There's a trick to
getting AppleScript to display a compiled script in that format by getting
rid of the application it refers to, but I can't remember the details offhand.

I've worked a little bit with GeoQuery (but in 4D rather than AppleScript);
their AppleEvent handling is *very* weird - it involves a 2-way conversation
where you send it a request and it will send you one or more separate events
with the results (rather than using the AppleEvent reply). For anyone working
with 4D who wants to figure out their events, I have the demo available at
ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/isis/System7Pack/S7P.GeoQuery.hqx.

--
Mike Cohen           | ISIS International
[phone] Voice | [e-mail]           | ALink: D6734
[phone] Fax   | NewtonMail, eWorld: MikeC | AOL: MikeC20
Home Page: file://ftp.netcom.com/pub/isis/home.html
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 12 Aug 1994 17:33:13 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      NetNews scripts

Everyone,

You'll find John Schettino's NetNews scripts in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/scripts/NetNews.sit.hqx


Enjoy and have a nice weekend.

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 12 Aug 1994 15:54:15 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      ScriptWizard v. Script Editor

I've been playing around with a demo version of Script Wizard, trying to
see if I liked it enough to push for a purchase.  It seems very cool,
except for two problems:

A) It's slow -- opening up two AS compiled scripts (saved as apps), with a
total of 64K of code, took about 21 seconds longer than in Script Editor,
for example.  SE took 26 seconds to start up and load both scripts in ; SW
took about 47 seconds; you might want to knock off half a second for
clicking the 'this is a demo' dialog box.  Similarly, saving and compiling
times are also longer.  Anybody know if there's a fix for this?

B) It's jerky -- when it's slow, it's not consistently slow.  It freezes
for a second, then releases, etc.  It's not as smooth as SE...

-roy

Roy S. Rapoport                                       [e-mail]
2095 Rose St                                    Berkeley   CA   94709
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 13 Aug 1994 13:29:26 +0200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dario Lopez K=E4sten <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Sender's address

(Stuff deleted)
>Just a thought: my AppleEvent utilities for HyperCard include an XFCN calle=
d
>AEGetTheCurrentEvent, which calls the AppleEvent Manager routine of the sam=
e
>name. With current versions of HyperCard, you can call this from within an
>"On AppleEvent" handler, and get a complete copy of the current event this =
way.
>
>My idea is: would a similar thing work from AppleScript as well? If you had
>an osax that called AEGetTheCurrentEvent, and you invoked this from within
>a script handler, would you get a copy of the event currently being handled=
?
>
>Yeah, sure, I could probably write it first, and then find out whether it
>works,
>but you know what us lazy programmers are like... :-)
>
>Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
>Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
>University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
>Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00

I think that the ability to manipulate the AERecord from with in
AppleScript is a good idea in general. Too bad it is not implemeted
directly in AS.

/dario

____________________________________________________________________________=
__
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Computational Linguistics             |   412  54 G=F6teborg, Sweden
G=F6teborg University, SWEDEN           |   [phone]
----------------------------------------------------------------------------=
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=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 13 Aug 1994 10:53:15 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tom Donovan <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Client Server scripts over AppleTalk

>I was wondering if anyone had made a pair of scripts to hand information to
>eachother over a appletalk network I have worked on Scripts for a while, but
>never tried this, and it is always more fun to have a example to work off of.
> I do not care waht it does just looking for the communication aspect.
>[e-mail]

I put together a *very* simple applet whose only job was to wait for an
apple event and put up a dialog box with the text that was passed to it.

I called it "Beeper", and it consists of the following handler:

on respond(theText)
        beep
        display dialog theText
        beep
end respond

With Beeper running on one machine, write a script on another with code
that is something like this:

tell application "Beeper" of machine "Mac" of zone "Name"
        respond("Hello")
end tell

I may not have the syntax of the "tell" statement exactly right, but that's
the general idea.

--Tom

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Tom Donovan             "The city is a place where a small boy, as he walks
Technology Facilitator   through it, may see something that will tell him
Glen Grove School        what he wants to do his whole life."
Glenview, Illinois                                          --Louis I. Kahn
E-mail: [e-mail], [e-mail]
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 13 Aug 1994 14:01:19 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joe Scripter <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Client Server scripts over AppleTalk

Check the OSAX Command list
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 14 Aug 1994 14:47:41 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Rob Dewhirst <[e-mail]>
Subject:      OtherMenu 1.5

I have uploaded OtherMenu 1.5 to gaea.  As of v1.4, it has the ability to
execute compiled AppleScripts.  1.5 fixed some problems with this, and added
support for running KeyQuencer macro files.

If you use OSAMenu, you may want to check out OtherMenu.
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 15 Aug 1994 10:04:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Auditing Your Additions

There was a discussion on this mailing list a few days ago about people having
so many osaxes in their Scripting Additions folder that they were losing track
of which ones did what. I decided to come up with a solution to the problem.

My solution takes the form of yet another scripting addition, which I call
EightyLister. This implements two commands: "list events" will list a summary
of the events defined in an aete resource in any file. "scripting additions
folder" returns an alias to your Scripting Additions folder, and I've provided
basic example scripts so you can see how to use these two to list all the events
defined by your currently-installed osaxes.

I've dropped a copy in the incoming directory on gaea.kgs.ukans.edu. Enjoy!

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 14 Aug 1994 14:57:05 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         flip <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scripting PowerTalk

Has anyone been scripting PowerTalk yet?

Specifically the owner's in box and AppleMail?

Flip

         __@     Phillip 'Flip' Russell  | Purdue University      __@
  _ -_,_-\<,_ [e-mail] | West Lafayette, IN  _ -\<,_
 (_)-----/-(_)           The important things...             (_)-/-(_)
                        My bikes and my Macintosh





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Has anyone been scripting PowerTalk yet?

Specifically the owner's in box and AppleMail?

Flip

         __@     Phillip 'Flip' Russell  | Purdue University      __@
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=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 14 Aug 1994 18:43:31 [phone]
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Abner Dumoff <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Visual cues that an AppleScript is running
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

> > Is there some extension, OSAX or such that will give me a visual indication
> > that an AppleScript is running, other than a generic spinning cursor?
>
> If you use FaceSpan as an interface builder for your app, it produces a
> spinning wheel while scripts execute.
>
> Danny Goodman

Is there a way to implement a custom animated cursor for wait indication
in (or out of) FaceSpan? Without using ResEdit?

-AbbyD
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 14 Aug 1994 23:38:27 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Visual cues that an AppleScript is running

From:    Abner Dumoff <[e-mail]>
>
>> > Is there some extension, OSAX or such that will give me a visual indication
>> > that an AppleScript is running, other than a generic spinning cursor?
>>
>> If you use FaceSpan as an interface builder for your app, it produces a
>> spinning wheel while scripts execute.
>>
>> Danny Goodman
>
>Is there a way to implement a custom animated cursor for wait indication
>in (or out of) FaceSpan? Without using ResEdit?

I've added a new osax named "set cursor to" to Jon's Commands which accepts
a set of enums (watch cursor, plus cursor, cross cursor and arrow cursor).
It seems to work fine, although a number of programs still set their
cursors when you move the mouse over different areas.  That means you may
need to set the cursor often.

I'm trying to decide on the best ways to do the custom busy procedure.  It
will be simple enough to include a set of common busy cursors that you can
choose from.  That would be the beachball and the watch.  I'm taking
suggestions for others.  I have a fairly large cursor collection, so I'll
paw through it and see what shows up.

I guess the only way to do a custom one is to provide a file and the
resource id of the acur resource.  What this means is that you need to use
ResEdit to create the cursor resources.  These are the acur resource which
lists the order of the CURS or crsr resources.  The CURS resource is a b&w
cursor while a crsr is a color cursor.  There could be programs out there
to make cursors, but I've never seen one, and ResEdit works fine.  Why not
use it?  You haven't been listening to those "ResEdit is dangerous"
warnings, have you?  Pah!  Life is dangerous.  Go for it.  ;)

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 15 Aug 1994 07:09:25 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Cut from one app, paste to another

I couldn't think of a better subject.  Sorry.

I want to write a script that can take the currently selected text from one
app and paste it into another app--namely, to be able to make a reply in
Eudora to text from my terminal window or a new message to an address
selected in same.  BUT, after reading the discussion of the past few days,
I wonder if this is possible?

So-can I find out what was active immediately before my script was run from
OSA Menu??  Having that, I assume I could use somethign like AutoType to
cut from one app and paste to another.... Or do scripts run via OSA Menu
run in the background already?

Thanks,

~ Kiran




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=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 15 Aug 1994 09:00:27 EDT
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=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 15 Aug 1994 10:10:38 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: OtherMenu 1.5 and EightyLister
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Sun, 14 Aug 94 14:47:41 PDT"

Thanks to Rob Dewhurst and Lawrence D'Oliverio you'll find OtherMenu 1.5 and
the EightyLister osax on gaea in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/osaxen/EightLister.hqx
ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/addons/OtherMenu1.5.sit.hqx

Enjoy.

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 15 Aug 1994 09:01:46 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Cut from one app, paste to another

At 07:09 8/15/94 -0400, Kiran Wagle wrote:
>I want to write a script that can take the currently selected text from one
>app and paste it into another app--namely, to be able to make a reply in
>Eudora to text from my terminal window or a new message to an address
>selected in same.  BUT, after reading the discussion of the past few days,
>I wonder if this is possible?
>
>So-can I find out what was active immediately before my script was run from
>OSA Menu??  Having that, I assume I could use somethign like AutoType to
>cut from one app and paste to another.... Or do scripts run via OSA Menu
>run in the background already?

Finding out what is active when a selection is made from the OSA Menu menu
is easy, because the script is running "in" the then-active application.
Given the Scriptable Finder, you write:

tell application "Finder"
    set foo to processes where frontmost is true
end tell
if foo is {} then
    set bar to application "Finder"
else
    set bar to foo
end if
-- at this point, bar is a reference to the active application
display dialog bar as string


Note the special case for Finder.  The current Scriptable Finder doesn't
like to admit that it is a process (some future version, according to the
Finder Scripting Guide, will be less bashful).  So processes where
frontmost is true is an empty list if Finder is the active application.

The problem discussed here recently involves a different task:  finding out
what process was active before a new one was started.  I'm not at all sure
that one is doable without reverse engineering.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 15 Aug 1994 09:27:39 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Cut from one app, paste to another

At 07:09 8/15/94 -0400, Kiran Wagle wrote:
>I couldn't think of a better subject.  Sorry.
>
>I want to write a script that can take the currently selected text from one
>app and paste it into another app--namely, to be able to make a reply in
>Eudora to text from my terminal window or a new message to an address
>selected in same.  BUT, after reading the discussion of the past few days,
>I wonder if this is possible?
>
>So-can I find out what was active immediately before my script was run from
>OSA Menu??  Having that, I assume I could use somethign like AutoType to
>cut from one app and paste to another.... Or do scripts run via OSA Menu
>run in the background already?

And I previously provided a short snippet for finding the front process in
your context.

  However...since the details of getting the current selection out of an
application in useful form vary (simple script in some cases--but not all
the same script, hack with UI player in others, and perhaps impossible for
some), you might consider writing a specific script for each source
application of interest, and putting it in the app-specific folder for OSA
Menu, rather than in the Universal folder.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 15 Aug 1994 09:34:34 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Alec Plumb <[e-mail]>
Subject:      ignoring application responses

Hello,
I have been using the Fetch Clipboard script, which came with Anarchie,
with OSA menu to pull down some of the many URLs that come my way.  At
first I had a problem with the script tying my machine up forever, waiting
for a response from Anarchie, which doesn't send a response until the file
has actually been recieved.  So I found the nifty little "ignoring
application responses" command in the Applescript manual (yes, I actually
Read The F'ing Manual :).  At which point the relevant part of the script
looked like:

tell application "Anarchie"
        ignoring application responses
                set theResult to fetch url theurl
        end ignoring
end tell

Now whenever I run the script, I get a dialog box with the following message:

An error of type -1753 occured while running the script named "Fetch Clipboard."

The scripting system reported that "no result was returned from some part
of this

That's all the text that the dialog box has space for.  When I click the OK
button, I see that Anarchie is going on it's merry way, downloading the
file I asked for, and I can continue with what I was doing.  So I'd like to
know why I get an error, even though everything seems to work just fine,
especially since I explicitly told the script to _ignore_ application
responses.  (By the way, I tried removing the "set theResult to" part, and
Anarchie barfed on the command.)  And I'd like to know why the dialog box
is too small for the error message.  Is this a function of OSA menu?  Would
OtherMenu do a better job?

Thanks,


Alec Plumb      \\  W:619/534-5999 \\  Forever trust in who we are,
[e-mail]  \\  H:619/294-2112 \\  And nothing else matters
MacSupport\\ IGPP \\  SIO  \\  UCSD  \\   - J. Hetfield
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 15 Aug 1994 09:46:30 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Robert Mark <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: OtherMenu 1.5 and EightyLister

>Thanks to Rob Dewhurst and Lawrence D'Oliverio you'll find OtherMenu 1.5 and
>the EightyLister osax on gaea in
>
>ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/osaxen/EightLister.hqx


When I run "List Additions" (EightyLister), after running for some time, I
get a "Resource wasn't found" error at:
 "list events file (AdditionsFolder & ThisFile)"

Bob Mark
USGS

Robert Mark                           [e-mail]
US Geological Survey                  415-329-4917
345 Middlefield Road  MS-975          415-329-4936 FAX
Menlo Park, CA 94025
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 15 Aug 1994 15:13:05 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Abner Dumoff <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Visual cues that an AppleScript is running
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Sun, 14 Aug 1994, Jon Pugh wrote:

(previous messages deleted.)
>
> I guess the only way to do a custom one is to provide a file and the
> resource id of the acur resource.  What this means is that you need to use
> ResEdit to create the cursor resources.  These are the acur resource which
> lists the order of the CURS or crsr resources.  The CURS resource is a b&w
> cursor while a crsr is a color cursor.  There could be programs out there
> to make cursors, but I've never seen one, and ResEdit works fine.  Why not
> use it?  You haven't been listening to those "ResEdit is dangerous"
> warnings, have you?  Pah!  Life is dangerous.  Go for it.  ;)
>
> Jon
>
I have been using ResEdit to customise the Icons for apps created in
FaceSpane. I have no problem with the idea of making resources for a
custom animated cursor. I was hesitant to replace the one that FaceSpan
provides, as I didn't want to risk muddling up their code-to-resource
connections. I love ResEdit! I take LOTS of risks. Just hours ago,
I was jaywalking in midtown Manhattan!

-Abby
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 15 Aug 1994 12:31:16 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ignoring application responses

>Hello,
>I have been using the Fetch Clipboard script, which came with Anarchie,
>with OSA menu to pull down some of the many URLs that come my way.  At
>first I had a problem with the script tying my machine up forever, waiting
>for a response from Anarchie, which doesn't send a response until the file
>has actually been recieved.  So I found the nifty little "ignoring
>application responses" command in the Applescript manual (yes, I actually
>Read The F'ing Manual :).  At which point the relevant part of the script
>looked like:
>
>tell application "Anarchie"
>        ignoring application responses
>                set theResult to fetch url theurl
>        end ignoring
>end tell
>
>Now whenever I run the script, I get a dialog box with the following message:
>
>An error of type -1753 occured while running the script named "Fetch
>Clipboard."
>
>The scripting system reported that "no result was returned from some part
>of this
>

You are telling AppleScript two conflicting things:

First, you say send the event to Anarchie in such a way that no response
comes back.  Then you say, "oh, and put the response which isn't coming
back into theResult".  I'm not surprised the combination doesn't work.
   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 15 Aug 1994 14:53:34 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jason Frankovitz <[e-mail]>
Subject:      MACSCRPT Digest - 13 Aug 1994 to 14 Aug 1994

Hi out there, does anyone know of a way to have an applet tell what
kind of thing was dropped on it? I'd like users to drop either a
folder OR individual files (or double-click) onto my applet and still
have it do the same thing, (ie pass the correct data to my subroutined
engine...)

Thanks for any help or suggestions!
Jason

--
Are you trying to say waffles are       |      Jason Frankovitz
diuretics, or that consuming diuretics  |      Bloomington, IN
makes you waffle?                       |      [e-mail]
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Date:         Mon, 15 Aug 1994 14:00:12 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Alec Plumb <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ignoring application responses

>>Hello,
>>I have been using the Fetch Clipboard script, which came with Anarchie,
>>with OSA menu to pull down some of the many URLs that come my way.  At
>>first I had a problem with the script tying my machine up forever, waiting
>>for a response from Anarchie, which doesn't send a response until the file
>>has actually been recieved.  So I found the nifty little "ignoring
>>application responses" command in the Applescript manual (yes, I actually
>>Read The F'ing Manual :).  At which point the relevant part of the script
>>looked like:
>>
>>tell application "Anarchie"
>>        ignoring application responses
>>                set theResult to fetch url theurl
>>        end ignoring
>>end tell
>>
>>Now whenever I run the script, I get a dialog box with the following message:
>>
>>An error of type -1753 occured while running the script named "Fetch
>>Clipboard."
>>
>>The scripting system reported that "no result was returned from some part
>>of this
>>
>
>You are telling AppleScript two conflicting things:
>
>First, you say send the event to Anarchie in such a way that no response
>comes back.  Then you say, "oh, and put the response which isn't coming
>back into theResult".  I'm not surprised the combination doesn't work.
>   --John
>
>--
>[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
>finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).


You are right.  But when I remove "set theResult to", I get an error -49
when I launch the script through OSA menu.  But when I run the modified
script from within Script Editor, it doesn't have any problem.  I just
tried the script with OtherMenu without a hitch.  So it seems to be some
kind of problem with OSA Menu.

Thanks,

Alec Plumb
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Date:         Mon, 15 Aug 1994 15:02:54 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kee Nethery [phone] <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scripting PowerTalk

>Has anyone been scripting PowerTalk yet?
>
>Specifically the owner's in box and AppleMail?
>

Yes, I tried Scripting PowerTalk for a while and then went to Eudora.

The Beyond Mail PowerRules stuff seems to be very flakey and it was the
only thing I found that could open incoming mail and read it, BUT, lots of
the sample AppleScripts would not function and it seemed to get worse with
each update.

The GTQ Libraries have some send AppleEvents but no read mail AppleEvents.
The calls to read AppleMail have not been published. There are rumors that
someone will have some read AppleMail AppleEvents sometime soon but I have
yet to see them and they might cease to function if Apple ever gets around
to publishing (and thus freezing) the read mail spec.

For now I script Eudora. It works.

Kee Nethery

_________________________________________________________________
Kagi Engineering, 1442-A Walnut #362, Berkeley, CA 94709-1405 USA
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Date:         Mon, 15 Aug 1994 16:36:19 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 13 Aug 1994 to 14 Aug 1994
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

> Hi out there, does anyone know of a way to have an applet tell what
> kind of thing was dropped on it? I'd like users to drop either a
> folder OR individual files (or double-click) onto my applet and still
> have it do the same thing, (ie pass the correct data to my subroutined
> engine...)

One way (just using the file commands scripting addition) would be to do
a "folder of info for" on each item:

on open(docList)
  --General open handler
  repeat with i from 1 to the count of docList
        --General repeat loop
        if the folder of (info for item i of docList) is true then
                --Do folder related things
        else --One can assume it's a file, but it may be a disk. I don't
know how AS distinguishes a disk from a folder, if it does. You could use
ResEdit to limit the FREF to only allow folders and files
                --Do file related things
        end if
end open

In terms of trapping for double-click or not, that's easy.
Double-clicking on the app doesn't trigger the open handler. Instead, it
triggers the "run" handler (or it does all the commands not in any
handler). Likewise the "quit" handler gets run when your script app quits.

Hope that helps,

Derrick
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Date:         Mon, 15 Aug 1994 16:53:16 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         James Edward Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Run a script from C code

Id like to run previously compiled (with Toy Surprise)
script from my C code. I cant manage to get it to work, even
though its supposed to be fairly simple. I dont suppose a
code snippet exist anywhere, or that someone would like to
provide one? My code only works while Think Debugger is running,
but crashes without it. =(

Any pointers appreciated,
James Davis ([e-mail]) : Stanford University
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 15 Aug 1994 18:09:41 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Edmund Lai <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Auditing Your Additions

>There was a discussion on this mailing list a few days ago about people having
>so many osaxes in their Scripting Additions folder that they were losing track
>of which ones did what. I decided to come up with a solution to the problem.
>
>My solution takes the form of yet another scripting addition, which I call
>EightyLister. This implements two commands: "list events" will list a summary
>of the events defined in an aete resource in any file. "scripting additions
>folder" returns an alias to your Scripting Additions folder, and I've provided
>basic example scripts so you can see how to use these two to list all the
>events
>defined by your currently-installed osaxes.
>
>I've dropped a copy in the incoming directory on gaea.kgs.ukans.edu. Enjoy!
>
>Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
>Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
>University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
>Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00

This reminds me of something I did a while ago. It was an osax called
"What can I do". It tried to display either all the commands from
a application (if you use tell) or all the osax. All the parameters
in the commands are displayed. The command text are generated by
asking AppleScript to unparse it. In fact to generate optional
parameters AppleScript is asked to unparse it once with a parameter
and once without and this is repeated for every optional parameter.
The result is that it is rather slow, and sometimes the amount of
text generated is so large that script editor has problem handling
it. So I never release it. But it can be fun to play with. So I
also put it into the incoming directory on gaea.kgs.ukans.edu.
It is called helpOSAX.

/* Disclaimer: All statments and opinions expressed are my own */
/* Edmund K. Lai                                               */
/* Apple Computer, MS303-3A                                    */
/* 20525 Mariani Ave,                                          */
/* Cupertino, CA 95014                                         */
/* [phone]                                               */
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Date:         Mon, 15 Aug 1994 19:04:33 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ignoring application responses

[Prior exchange omitted]

Alec says:

>You are right.  But when I remove "set theResult to", I get an error -49
>when I launch the script through OSA menu.  But when I run the modified
>script from within Script Editor, it doesn't have any problem.  I just
>tried the script with OtherMenu without a hitch.  So it seems to be some
>kind of problem with OSA Menu.

I ran into one of those just today.  I had to close the copy of the
just-saved script which was open in Script Editor...then the -49 error went
away.  And, -49 is:

The read/write permission of only one access path to a file can allow writing

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 15 Aug 1994 22:24:23 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Oliver Muoto <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 13 Aug 1994 to 14 Aug 1994

Is there an OSAX that allows you to specifically search for a file (returns
an alias to the file)?

Thanks in advance.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Oliver Muoto                                             Voice: 415.541.9333
Product Manager/Director of Marketing                    Fax:   [phone]
Motion Works International                               Email: [e-mail]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date:         Tue, 16 Aug 1994 01:01:44 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Andy Cemelli [remote]" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Visual cues that an AppleScript is running -Reply

Jon,

check out the spinning globe that at the very least is in our product
WordPerfect....

Andrew Cemelli
Macintosh Systems Engineer
WordPerfect Corporation ([e-mail])
---------------------------------------------------
The fact that I'm opinionated is not my employer's fault.
---------------------------------------------------
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Date:         Tue, 16 Aug 1994 08:41:38 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Auditing Your Additions
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Mon, 15 Aug 94 18:09:41 PDT"

Ed Lai sez......

This reminds me of something I did a while ago. It was an osax called
>"What can I do". It tried to display either all the commands from
>a application (if you use tell) or all the osax. All the parameters
>in the commands are displayed. The command text are generated by
>asking AppleScript to unparse it. In fact to generate optional
>parameters AppleScript is asked to unparse it once with a parameter
>and once without and this is repeated for every optional parameter.
>The result is that it is rather slow, and sometimes the amount of
>text generated is so large that script editor has problem handling
>it. So I never release it. But it can be fun to play with. So I
>also put it into the incoming directory on gaea.kgs.ukans.edu.
>It is called helpOSAX.

You'll find it in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/osaxen/helposax.sit.hqx

Cheers.

pf
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Date:         Tue, 16 Aug 1994 15:57:00 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Hsu, Eugene" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Run a script from C code

>Id like to run previously compiled (with Toy Surprise)
>script from my C code. I cant manage to get it to work, even
>though its supposed to be fairly simple. I dont suppose a
>code snippet exist anywhere, or that someone would like to
>provide one? My code only works while Think Debugger is running,
>but crashes without it. =(

>Any pointers appreciated,
>James Davis ([e-mail]) : Stanford University

-------

Also, does anyone out there have sample code to demonstrate how to pass
parameters from C code to a script with a handler?

Eugene Hsu
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 16 Aug 1994 15:57:00 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Hsu, Eugene" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Run a script from C code

>Id like to run previously compiled (with Toy Surprise)
>script from my C code. I cant manage to get it to work, even
>though its supposed to be fairly simple. I dont suppose a
>code snippet exist anywhere, or that someone would like to
>provide one? My code only works while Think Debugger is running,
>but crashes without it. =(

>Any pointers appreciated,
>James Davis ([e-mail]) : Stanford University

-------

Here is some C Code that might help...


Eugene Hsu
[e-mail]

-------

OSErr  ExecuteScript(AEDesc theScript, AEDescList theParamList,
   ComponentInstance gASComponent,
   AppleEvent *theReply)
{
   OSAError    theOSAErr = errAEWrongDataType;
   OSErr   theErr = noErr;
   OSAID   resultingID = 0, resultingScriptValueID = 0;
   longmodeFlags = 0;
   AEDesc  result, errDesc;
   AEAddressDesc   target;
   AppleEvent  theAppleEvent;
   AEDesc  resultingErrorDescription;

   theAppleEvent.dataHandle = nil;
   target.descriptorType = typeTargetID;
   target.dataHandle = nil;
   resultingErrorDescription.dataHandle = nil;

   result.descriptorType = typeNull;
   result.dataHandle = nil;
   errDesc.dataHandle = nil;

   if (theScript.descriptorType == kOSAScriptResourceType) {
   theOSAErr = OSALoad(gASComponent,
   &theScript,
   modeFlags,
   &resultingID);
   }
   else {
   theOSAErr = OSACompile( gASComponent,
   &theScript,
   kOSAModeCompileIntoContext,
   &resultingID);
   }
   if(theOSAErr != noErr) goto BAILLABEL;


   theOSAErr = OSAExecute( gASComponent,
   resultingID,
   kOSANullScript,
   modeFlags,
   &resultingScriptValueID);

   if(theOSAErr == noErr){
   if(resultingScriptValueID != 0) { // Only add it if we got some value back.
   theOSAErr = OSACoerceToDesc(gASComponent,
   resultingScriptValueID,
   typeWildCard,
   modeFlags,
   &result);

   if(theOSAErr == noErr)
   AEPutParamDesc(theReply, keyDirectObject, &result);
   else // Just return the error
   theErr = AEPutParamPtr(theReply, keyErrorNumber, typeLongInteger,
(Ptr)&theOSAErr, sizeof(theOSAErr));
   }
   }
   else {
   if(theOSAErr == errOSAScriptError) {
   theOSAErr = OSAScriptError(gASComponent, kOSAErrorNumber, typeLongInteger,
&errDesc);
   if(theOSAErr != noErr) {
   if(errDesc.dataHandle != nil)
   AEDisposeDesc(&errDesc);
   goto BAILLABEL;
   }

   theErr = AEPutParamDesc(theReply, keyErrorNumber, &errDesc);
   if(theErr != noErr) goto BAILLABEL;

   if(errDesc.dataHandle != nil) // so we can reuse it
   AEDisposeDesc(&errDesc);

   theOSAErr = OSAScriptError(gASComponent, kOSAErrorMessage, typeChar,
&errDesc);
   if(theOSAErr != noErr) {
   if(errDesc.dataHandle != nil)
   AEDisposeDesc(&errDesc);
   goto BAILLABEL;
   }
   theErr = AEPutParamDesc(theReply, keyErrorString, &errDesc);
   }
   else // Just return the error
   theErr = AEPutParamPtr(theReply, keyErrorNumber, typeLongInteger,
(Ptr)&theOSAErr, sizeof(theOSAErr));
   }


   BAILLABEL:;
   theErr = theOSAErr;
   if(resultingID != 0)
   OSADispose( gASComponent,
       resultingID);
   if(resultingID != 0)
   OSADispose( gASComponent,
       resultingScriptValueID);
   if(result.dataHandle != nil)
   AEDisposeDesc(&result);
   if(errDesc.dataHandle != nil)
   AEDisposeDesc(&errDesc);
   if(theAppleEvent.dataHandle != nil)
   AEDisposeDesc(&theAppleEvent);
   if(resultingErrorDescription.dataHandle != nil)
   AEDisposeDesc(&resultingErrorDescription);

   return theErr;
}
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 16 Aug 1994 12:21:16 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Klaus P. Fechner" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ignoring application responses

>
>I ran into one of those just today.  I had to close the copy of the
>just-saved script which was open in Script Editor...then the -49 error went
>away.  And, -49 is:
>
>The read/write permission of only one access path to a file can allow writing

So why would AppleScript, OSA Menu or anything else other than the Script
Editor/ScriptWizard need that script open for write access ?

Klaus

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Klaus P. Fechner<[e-mail]> VAMC Palo Alto, CA, USA
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 16 Aug 1994 10:11:14 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joe Scripter <[e-mail]>
Subject:      ?FileMaker Pro and AppleScript?

I'm using AS in FileMaker Pro and have the following problems. When using AS
to initiate a reloookup or replace command in FMP, AS hangs and times out.
The problem isn't the timeout time, rather it seems AS isn't aware that FMP
is finished with the task initiated. The only solution I've found is to
implement a dialog in AS after the command line to FMP. What a kludge. Also,
the reliability of menu hits is less than satisfactory. I know about enables,
yet, sometimes, even when enabled the do menu command fails to return the
proper response. I am resorting to initiating FMP internal scripts when I
shouldn't have to in order to get things done. Why is this so
unreliable?

Thanks,

-MJL
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 16 Aug 1994 11:20:15 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ignoring application responses

>And I'd like to know why the dialog box
>is too small for the error message.  Is this a function of OSA menu?
>
        Yup, my dialog box is too small :(.


>Would OtherMenu do a better job?
>
        Don't know - haven't tried it!


LDR

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Rosenthol                       Internet:       [e-mail]
Director of Advanced Technology         AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 16 Aug 1994 11:19:25 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Cut from one app, paste to another

>I want to write a script that can take the currently selected text from one
>app and paste it into another app--namely, to be able to make a reply in
>Eudora to text from my terminal window or a new message to an address
>selected in same.  BUT, after reading the discussion of the past few days,
>I wonder if this is possible?
>
        Shouldn't be a problem.   I use AutoType and Jon's Clipboard OSAX
to do this kind of thing for pasting in signatures and the like.   Another
great tool in this regard is KeyQuencer.


>So-can I find out what was active immediately before my script was run from
>OSA Menu??  Having that, I assume I could use somethign like AutoType to
>cut from one app and paste to another.... Or do scripts run via OSA Menu
>run in the background already?
>
        Should work fine...


Leonard

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Rosenthol                       Internet:       [e-mail]
Director of Advanced Technology         AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 16 Aug 1994 11:22:28 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript as a network software installer/updater system

>I'm starting to get into Installer Making myself (playing with Smaller
>Installer and Aladdin Installer Maker right now).  I like your idea -- I've
>figured that if I could count on the user having AS, writing installers
>would be laughingly easy
>
        One of the things that we are looking at for future versions of
InstallerMaker is allowing the attachment of AppleScripts to an
installation like you can do currnetly with custom code resources.  The
reason we haven't done it to thi point is mostly that AS hasn't yet been as
widely adopted and so it wouldn't be as useful.  Now that 7.5 is emminent,
we'll see about having it in our next major update.


Leonard

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Rosenthol                       Internet:       [e-mail]
Director of Advanced Technology         AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 16 Aug 1994 11:23:47 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: SITComm and the window properties?

>I figured I could write some sort of script dealing with "bounds of window 1"
>to make sure the window is in the state I like it.  However, it doesn't seem
>to include windows as objects with properties - that is to say, the
>dictionary doesn't define window as an object....
>
        Correct.  As of SITcomm 1.0.1, the AEObject Model is not supported
so that you can't do things with window properties.   Our goal was to get
SITcomm out and doing object model at the time wasn't on teh schedule.  We
have plans to incorporate it into all of our products in the future to
improve both functionality and ease of use in our scdriptability.


Leonard

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Rosenthol                       Internet:       [e-mail]
Director of Advanced Technology         AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 16 Aug 1994 12:31:53 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Greg Francis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 14 Aug 1994 to 15 Aug 1994

Jon Pugh writes:
> I'm trying to decide on the best ways to do the custom busy procedure.
> It will be simple enough to include a set of common busy cursors that
> you can choose from.  That would be the beachball and the watch.
> I'm taking suggestions for others.  I have a fairly large
> cursor collection, so I'll paw through it and see what shows up.

How about a small script document as a cursor where each successive line
highlights and then moves to the next line. It would look like the document is
being read (or the script is being performed). You could also make the lines
scroll up making it look like it's going through the script.

Just some thoughts,

Greg
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 16 Aug 1994 12:42:47 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joe Scripter <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Pictures from QuarkXPress

Does anyone know if someone can get a list pictures like they can get a font
list. I don't see anything in the documentation about this. Any ideas?

Thanks

-Mike
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 16 Aug 1994 12:45:11 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joe Scripter <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Cut from one app, paste to another

Without the 'activate window' FMP doesn't get the message. Without the
'activate' and 'display dialog' following the 'do script' AS hangs,
apparently waiting for a result from FMP. I am open to criticism of any sort
on this script. Because of the sparse nature of interaction on this forum and
the limited number of tomes on AS we have been pretty much scripting in the
dark.

Here is what we have.....

set LCheck to ""
set BCheck to ""
set SCheck to ""
set YCheck to ""
set LCheck to ""
set PrclNo to ""
with timeout of 10000 seconds

 tell application "FileMaker Pro"
  tell Document " HSI Assessment 2.0"
   tell Layout 0
    copy (Cell "A033 LandCheck") to LCheck
    copy (Cell "A034 BuildingCheck") to BCheck
    copy (Cell "A035 YardCheck") to YCheck
    copy (Cell "A036 SketchCheck") to SCheck
    copy (Cell "A001 Parcel No.") to PrclNo
   end tell
  end tell
 end tell

 set the clipboard to PrclNo

 if LCheck = "Yes" then
  tell application "FileMaker Pro"
   activate Window "*Land Module"
   Do Script FileMaker Script named "Find Land for Chg" in Document "*Land
Module"
  end tell
 end if

 if BCheck = "Yes" then
  tell application "FileMaker Pro"
   activate Window "*Building Module"
   Do Script FileMaker Script named "Find Building chg prcl" in Document
"*Building Module"
  end tell
 end if

 if YCheck = "Yes" then
  tell application "FileMaker Pro"
   activate Window "*Yard Module"
   Do Script FileMaker Script named "Find Yard Chg Prcl" in Document "*Yard
Module"
  end tell
 end if

 if SCheck = "Yes" then
  tell application "FileMaker Pro"
   activate Window "*Sketch Module"
   Do Script FileMaker Script named "Find Sketch" in Document "*Sketch
Module"
  end tell
 end if

 if LCheck = "Yes" then
  tell application "FileMaker Pro"
   activate Window "*Land Module"
   Do Script FileMaker Script named "Change Parcel#" in Document "*Land
Module"
  end tell
  activate
  display dialog "Land records have been changed." buttons "OK" default
button "OK"

 end if

 if BCheck = "Yes" then
  tell application "FileMaker Pro"
   activate Window "*Building Module"
   Do Script FileMaker Script named "Change Parcel#" in Document "*Building
Module"
  end tell
  activate
  display dialog "Building records have been changed." buttons "OK" default
button "OK"
 end if

 if YCheck = "Yes" then
  tell application "FileMaker Pro"
   activate Window "*Yard Module"
   Do Script FileMaker Script named "Change Parcel#" in Document "*Yard
Module"
   activate
   display dialog "Yard records have been changed." buttons "OK" default
button "OK"
  end tell
 end if

 if SCheck = "Yes" then
  tell application "FileMaker Pro"
   activate Window "*Sketch Module"
   Do Script FileMaker Script named "Change Parcel#" in Document "*Sketch
Module"
   activate
   display dialog "Sketch & Photo records have been changed." buttons "OK"
default button "OK"
  end tell
 end if

 tell application "FileMaker Pro"
  activate Window " HSI Assessment 2.0"
  Do Script FileMaker Script named "Change Parcel# prt2" in Document " HSI
Assessment 2.0"
 end tell

 activate
 display dialog "Change parcel number is complete." buttons "OK" default
button "OK"
 activate window " HSI Assessment 2.0"
 tell application "FileMaker Pro"
  activate Window " HSI Assessment 2.0"
  Do Script FileMaker Script named "Menu" in Document " HSI Assessment 2.0"
 end tell

end timeout

Any ideas or suggestions for this person?

Thanks,

Mike
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 16 Aug 1994 12:51:58 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ignoring application responses

>>
>>I ran into one of those just today.  I had to close the copy of the
>>just-saved script which was open in Script Editor...then the -49 error went
>>away.  And, -49 is:
>>
>>The read/write permission of only one access path to a file can allow writing
>
>So why would AppleScript, OSA Menu or anything else other than the Script
>Editor/ScriptWizard need that script open for write access ?

I think the answer has to do with properties, and the fact that properties
do retain their values from one execution of an OSA Menu AppleScript script
to the next.  [As it happens, I was cleaning house yesterday, and deleted
the test script which showed that.  Early beta versions of OSA Menu had a
problem with it, so I kept the script around for quite a while.  Something
like

property counter: 0

set counter to counter + 1
display dialog "I have been executed " & (counter as string) & " times."

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 16 Aug 1994 12:52:02 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ?FileMaker Pro and AppleScript?

>I'm using AS in FileMaker Pro and have the following problems. When using AS
>to initiate a reloookup or replace command in FMP, AS hangs and times out.
>The problem isn't the timeout time, rather it seems AS isn't aware that FMP
>is finished with the task initiated. The only solution I've found is to
>implement a dialog in AS after the command line to FMP. What a kludge. Also,
>the reliability of menu hits is less than satisfactory. I know about enables,
>yet, sometimes, even when enabled the do menu command fails to return the
>proper response. I am resorting to initiating FMP internal scripts when I
>shouldn't have to in order to get things done. Why is this so
>unreliable?

First, what version of FileMaker Pro are you using.  Versions prior to
2.1v2 were considerably less reliable in this area than 2.1v2 is.  Or,
should I have said "...considerably more unreliable than..."?

It's not AppleScript per se...Frontier script writers suffer similar slings
and arrows.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 16 Aug 1994 13:01:48 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      WHAA!!

I got my AS SDK 1.1 today from APDA. I had the impression, verified by
APDA, that this included The Scriptable Finder.  If it does, I can't find
it.  It has 'finder scripting software,' but not the scriptable finder.

Am I looking in the wrong place, or can someone back me up on this?

-roy

Roy S. Rapoport                                       [e-mail]
2095 Rose St                                    Berkeley   CA   94709
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 16 Aug 1994 13:03:54 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: WHAA!!

>I got my AS SDK 1.1 today from APDA. I had the impression, verified by
>APDA, that this included The Scriptable Finder.  If it does, I can't find
>it.  It has 'finder scripting software,' but not the scriptable finder.
>
>Am I looking in the wrong place, or can someone back me up on this?

The "Scriptable Finder" is any Finder 7.1.3 or later plus an Extension.
The extension is:

AppleScript=81:Scripting the Finder:Finder Scripting Setup:Finder Scripting
Extension

The Finder, if you are using a version earlier than 7.1.3 is:
AppleScript=81:Scripting the Finder:Finder Scripting Setup:Finder


--John (for the MIME-impaired:  =81 is the trademark symbol)

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 16 Aug 1994 16:11:25 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         anthony brown <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: WHAA!!
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

Just wanted to let you know that if you are using finder 7.1.3, you will
also need the new network extension in addition to the finder scripting
extension if you plan on being ion any kid of network..

Anthony

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*                                                                   *
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*   They want their 8 - Tracks back!"                               *
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=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 17 Aug 1994 09:29:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: EightyLister: resource not found

Robert Mark <[e-mail]> writes:

>When I run "List Additions" (EightyLister), after running for some time, I
>get a "Resource wasn't found" error at:
> "list events file (AdditionsFolder & ThisFile)"

The problem is that you have a scripting addition with no "aete" resource
in it--probably something that provides coercion handlers but no event
handlers. I hit this with the "fwin coercion" addition that came with Daniel
Ranson's Finder Scripting Toolkit.

What the "List Additions" script needs is a "try/on error" block around the
call to "list events", so it can ignore the error and carry on. But then, it's
just a sample script, isn't it? :-)

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 16 Aug 1994 15:39:52 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AS Server Application
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Thu, 11 Aug 1994, Joe Scripter wrote:

> I'd like to write a script that would replace a server application I wrote
> which accepts apple events. How do I make a script recognize and respond to
> an apple event, in this case with a filespec as it's data

I'm not sure if this got answered (I didn't see any replies but I just
did a fairly blind purge of my mail), but here's my answer:

The solution is that you can have a handler within a script application
that becomes an AppleScript command of the application. This works much
the same way as intercepting the "open" message with an "on open" handler.

Set up your script application with the following command:
on netFoo (fileSpec)
  -- netFoo being the name of the command
  -- Do some stuff here
end netFoo

Now, from other scripts around the network, you can say:
tell application "Script Server" of machine "Remote Machine" of zone
"Other Zone"
   netFoo (fileSpec)
end tell

Sending the fileSpec might get tricky, because AS may try and resolve the
fileSpec on the local machine. I would send it as a string and then have
the netFoo handler bring it back into a file. Also, one of the file
coercers ("alias" and "file") doesn't look for the file, but simply
generates the file spec and looks for it at runtime. I don't remember
which of them does it, and this may only apply to the Read/Write
Commands. It's been too long since I used AppleScript. Sending it as a
string and having netFoo coerce it back will almost certainly work, however.

Derrick
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 16 Aug 1994 18:36:49 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         mark stewart <[e-mail]>
Subject:      using Frontier & Excel

                       Subject:                               Time:6:24 PM
  OFFICE MEMO          using Frontier & Excel                 Date:8/16/94
MacScripters,
I'm using Excel and Frontier (versions 4.0 and 3.03 repectively) to keep a log
of our backup system. The project has gone smoothly up to this part. I have
completed all the scripts I need save for the following two

1.) A script that launches Excel (from Frontier) and opens the log file.
There's a Frontier verb that handles this very action--app.startWithDocument (
)--that takes the app's name and the document as arguments and returns true or
false based on its success. For some reason, I can make the verb work from a
QuickScript window--app.startWithDocument ("Excel", bkupLog )-- but not in the
body of my script in the form:
excel_ok = app.startWithDocument ("Excel", bkupLog )

"bkupLog" is an Object Database cell containing a filespec for the log file I
want to open. Frontier starts to launch Excel, flashing a message to that
effect in its control bar, but the latter never quite makes it all the way up.
I have to hit Command-Option-Escape to force-quit Excel. Switching back to
Frontier I get an "Excel is either not running or not IAC-aware" alert.
Obviously, Excel is IAC-aware. Launching it from the QuickScript window proves
that. (Program-linking *is* switched on for Excel, by the way.)

So what gives? Any thoughts?

2) To maintain my log file's readability I want to apply formatting for each
week. I have a range of cells that I've rather painstakingly formatted that I
would like to copy and paste to the end of the spreadsheet automatically each
Monday morning. Subsequent entries would be added into this weeky template
without the need to format each cell.
I've tried various things to do this using "Apple Events and Microsoft Excel
4.0" and the glue scripts Frontier whips up as a guide. Without much success.
Most of these experiments involve setting a range of cells and copying and
pasting; shots in the dark. Frankly, I'm lost.

Any help, thoughts, or comiseration welcome!!!

Mark Stewart
BIAD-Research Imaging Center
UTHSCSA
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 16 Aug 1994 22:25:16 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: WHAA!!

At 5:01 PM 8/16/94, Roy S. Rapoport wrote:

> I got my AS SDK 1.1 today from APDA. I had the impression, verified by
> APDA, that this included The Scriptable Finder.  If it does, I can't find
> it.  It has 'finder scripting software,' but not the scriptable finder.

If you did NOT buy the CD-ROM package, ignore my first two sentences.

Aha.  As I suspected.  What Apple is calling the "Finder Scripting
Software" (which is now included with the Finder Scripting Guide in the
commercial (no CD) version of the AS Scripters' package) is actually Finder
7.1.3 with an init to provide both scripting and recording.  (This means,
of course, that those of us who don't want or need the CD are better served
by grabbing AS for $150 overnight. :-/)  I guess we have to wait for 7.5 to
get Finder 7.1.4 (which the tech support folks assured me is the finder in
7.5beta.)

On startup the Finder chose to patch this init, Gatekeeper balked, and the
system crashed with error +41, "Finder not found."  I spent quite a bit of
time on the fone with a wonderful person (whose name I didn't write down,
alas) at Apple Tech Support trying to figure this out.  We didn't, but he
did tell me two thigns I didn't kow before, and was amazingly patient at
Apple's expense.

Anyway, if you run Gatekeeper, you'll have to grant the Finder "file res"
privileges to avoid this crash.  When the pacth is enabled, things work
fine, and you can use the Drag Manager, which is WAY cool.

Why did this take so long to diagnose?  because I had notification alert
dialogs turned off, and had NO CLUE that the Finder would be patching
resource attributes that may as well have been patched at the factory.

Good luck with it.

~ Kiran

--
6216 41st Avenue Hyattsville MD 20782 301/779-0756 <[e-mail]>
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 17 Aug 1994 14:39:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: WHAA!!

Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]> writes:

>What Apple is calling the "Finder Scripting
>Software" (which is now included with the Finder Scripting Guide in the
>commercial (no CD) version of the AS Scripters' package) is actually Finder
>7.1.3 with an init to provide both scripting and recording.

It's not an init, it's an fext, if you want to get technical about it.
It's code that's only loaded by the Finder, not by the System.

>I guess we have to wait for 7.5 to
>get Finder 7.1.4 (which the tech support folks assured me is the finder in
>7.5beta.)

The code in 7.1.4 and 7.1.3 is identical. According to some release notes
I saw somewhere, the only difference was an increase in the size of a text
field in the "About This Macintosh..." window. This has something to do with
the fact that 7.1.4 is the Finder that ships with the Power Macs. ;-)

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 16 Aug 1994 21:00:45 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: WHAA!!

At 22:25 8/16/94 -0400, Kiran Wagle wrote:
>At 5:01 PM 8/16/94, Roy S. Rapoport wrote:
>
>> I got my AS SDK 1.1 today from APDA. I had the impression, verified by
>> APDA, that this included The Scriptable Finder.  If it does, I can't find
>> it.  It has 'finder scripting software,' but not the scriptable finder.
>
>If you did NOT buy the CD-ROM package, ignore my first two sentences.
>
>Aha.  As I suspected.  What Apple is calling the "Finder Scripting
>Software" (which is now included with the Finder Scripting Guide in the
>commercial (no CD) version of the AS Scripters' package) is actually Finder
>7.1.3 with an init to provide both scripting and recording.  (This means,
>of course, that those of us who don't want or need the CD are better served
>by grabbing AS for $150 overnight. :-/)  I guess we have to wait for 7.5 to
>get Finder 7.1.4 (which the tech support folks assured me is the finder in
>7.5beta.)

The Scriptable Finder is readily available without buying the CD in
question.  As one example, APDA sells something like the "Finder Scripting
Update" for about $20 (since I had the necessary parts, I didn't pay much
attention).

Finder 7.1.4 STILL needs the Finder Scripting Extension to be the
"Scriptable Finder".  7.1.4 ships with Power Macs (and has since Power Mac
day 1).  It is 7.1.3 with only very very slight changes.  Since Tech
Support was willing to tell you that Finder 7.1.4 is in the beta 7.5, I
guess I can confirm that without blowing non-disclosure too badly.  The
Finder Scripting Extension is also on the 7.5 beta CD.

There was a post in a newsgroup today claiming that the poster's friend
received a new Power Mac with the System 7.5 CD.  If that's true, then the
7.5 non-disclosure would seem to have ended anyhow (since it was to run
until the product shipped).

  --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 17 Aug 1994 16:06:17 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Owen Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Popups etc

I'm looking for an extension or whatever that can supply popups.

I want to setup a front-end for 4D Server for time-tracking so that users
have a window that has a popup showing possible projects that they could be
working on; when they change tasks they choose the new task from the popup,
and the database gets notified.

I looked at FrontMost/FaceSpan, but the thought of forking out $150 (& intl
courier charges) put me off; plus it seems to be a bit slow; the reminder
example on Danny's 1.1 book update disk running on a IIsi was positively
glacial. Plus, as I hear, memory leaks. . .

I had a quick look thru gaea, but couldn't find anything obvious (is some
kind person ever going to write a full, explanatory listing of what wonders
are enclosed on gaea/applescript?)


_________________________________________________________________________
Owen Watson, The Royal Society of NZ, PO Box 598, Wellington, New Zealand
Internet [e-mail]  Ph: [phone] Fax: [phone]
The gateway to New Zealand science: http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 16 Aug 1994 23:40:47 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Visual cues that an AppleScript is running

From: "Andy Cemelli" <[e-mail]>
>check out the spinning globe that at the very least is in our product
>WordPerfect....

Ah yes, the spinning globe.  I had that in the Finder some versions back.
Trivia tip:  If you want to replace the Finder's busy cursor, place an acur
and CURS resources in your Finder Preferences file.  You'll have to make a
copy in order to do that, but it's much better than hacking the Finder
itself!

From: Greg Francis <[e-mail]>
>How about a small script document as a cursor where each successive line
>highlights and then moves to the next line. It would look like the document is
>being read (or the script is being performed). You could also make the lines
>scroll up making it look like it's going through the script.

Why don't you ResEdit hackers crank out some acur, CURS and crsr resources?
I'll use them if someone wants to whip some up.  I might even get time to
try doing some of my own.  ;)

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 17 Aug 1994 09:18:58 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         [e-mail]
Subject:      Power Mac and Finder

I disagree with the claim that Power Macintosh has always shipped with Finder
7.1.3 or upwards. The one I'm sitting in front of, here in England, shipped with
Finder 7.1.2.

If this is just England or is true for the first Power Macs I don't know.

Martyn Lesbirel - Computing Officer
Liverpool John Moores University

[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 17 Aug 1994 07:57:27 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Frank Lowney <[e-mail]>
Subject:      HyperTalk/AppleScript communication

This button script (using HyperTalk in HyperCard) works:

on mouseUp
  global response
  put response into cd fld "testF"
end mouseUp

This button script (using AppleScript in HyperCard) does not work:

on mouseUp
        global response
        tell application "HyperCard"
                copy response to card field "testF"
        end tell
end mouseUp

I get the following error message:

        The variable response is not defined.

Now this is a simple script so it wasn't a problem in this case but
clicking on the "script" button of this dialog showed me the offending
script but DID NOT place the cursor on the offending line.  Hrummph!

I know that the HyperTalk global is viable throughout the testing as I can
subsequently run the first (successful) test after the second
(unsuccessful) test and see it work just fine.

Thus, I am now quite curious as to how HyperTalk and AppleScript (indeed
any combination of OSA-compliant scripting languages) might best
communicate with one another without having to write data to disk in any
way.

This example covers what I think should be the HyperTalk to AppleScript
dialog.  A few weeks ago I was persuing the AppleScript to HyperTalk side
of the conversation and learned the following from Peter Speck:

on mouseUp
        copy ((the first item of (list disks)) & ":") to diskName
        copy "Untitled.GIF" to filename

        -- the easiest way to create variables!
        do script "global GIFTempDiskName,GIFTempFileName"

        copy diskName to variable "GIFTempDiskName"
        copy "Untitled.GIF" to variable "GIFTempFileName"
end mouseUp

My interpretation of this led me to:


[...a bunch of AppleScript code...]

        tell application "HyperCard"
                do script "global fileONE"
                copy DataRecd to variable "fileONE"
        end tell

...which does a fine job of getting the contents of an AppleScript variable
(DataRecd) into a HyperCard global (fileONE).

What I am looking for are the general rules for exchanging data contained
in global variables between HyperTalk and AppleScript.

I have most of the currently available references for both HyperTalk and
AppleScript but so far have failed to find a thorough discussion of the
topic of OSA script intercommunication.  Please point me in the direction
of such a reference if there is one or, better yet, explain this to me and
to any others who might be as puzzled as I.

=====================================================================
Dr. Frank Lowney, Director, Regional Teacher Education Center
                  System Administrator, The GC EduNET Project
CBX 034, School of Education
Georgia College, Milledgeville, GA 31061-0490
Voice: [phone]
via GC EduNET, Georgia's Statewide K-12 Education Network, telnet to:
        gcedunet.peachnet.edu
=====================================================================
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 17 Aug 1994 08:29:35 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AS Programmers' Dialect

Hi folks,

The AS manual mentions something called the "Programmers' Dialect."

Does anyone know if this actually exists, and where it can be found?

Thanks,

~ Kiran

--
6216 41st Avenue Hyattsville MD 20782 301/779-0756 <[e-mail]>
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 17 Aug 1994 14:57:55 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Johan Solve <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora 1.4.3 auto-sorting?

I need a way to automatically sort my different mailboxes by date. Is it
possible to do this with AppleScript?
The dictionary of Eudora doesn't mention sorting, but perhaps I'm
overlooking something. Perhaps the easiest way is to use the MenuEvents
extension and osax to cycle through the mailboxes and sort each one of
them?

Please Cc: replies to [e-mail]. I don't keep up with the mail
flow in Macscripting.

____________________________________________________________________
         "
  JOHAN SOLVE                Department of Science and Technology
  <[e-mail]>    University College of Halmstad, Sweden
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 17 Aug 1994 09:25:47 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Frank Lowney <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Popups etc

>I'm looking for an extension or whatever that can supply popups.
>
>I want to setup a front-end for 4D Server for time-tracking so that users
>have a window that has a popup showing possible projects that they could be
>working on; when they change tasks they choose the new task from the popup,
>and the database gets notified.
>
>I looked at FrontMost/FaceSpan, but the thought of forking out $150 (& intl
>courier charges) put me off; plus it seems to be a bit slow; the reminder
>example on Danny's 1.1 book update disk running on a IIsi was positively
>glacial. Plus, as I hear, memory leaks. . .
>
>I had a quick look thru gaea, but couldn't find anything obvious (is some
>kind person ever going to write a full, explanatory listing of what wonders
>are enclosed on gaea/applescript?)
>
HyperCard 2.2 will do popup buttons quite nicely AND it supports
AppleScript as well as HyperTalk.  The new clickable lists are cool too!

=====================================================================
Dr. Frank Lowney, Director, Regional Teacher Education Center
                  System Administrator, The GC EduNET Project
CBX 034, School of Education
Georgia College, Milledgeville, GA 31061-0490
Voice: [phone]
via GC EduNET, Georgia's Statewide K-12 Education Network, telnet to:
        gcedunet.peachnet.edu
=====================================================================
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 17 Aug 1994 07:58:14 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Roy Roper <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re> Eudora 1.4.3 auto-sorting?

fyi

There is an aoce listserv in operation from the University of Michigan.
Some of these issues are also being discussed there.
Information about this list serv can be obtained by contacting
[e-mail] --

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Wed, Aug 17, 1994 ------

I need a way to automatically sort my different mailboxes by date. Is it
possible to do this with AppleScript?
The dictionary of Eudora doesn't mention sorting, but perhaps I'm
overlooking something. Perhaps the easiest way is to use the MenuEvents
extension and osax to cycle through the mailboxes and sort each one of
them?

Please Cc: replies to [e-mail]. I don't keep up with the mail
flow in Macscripting.

____________________________________________________________________
         "
  JOHAN SOLVE                Department of Science and Technology
  <[e-mail]>    University College of Halmstad, Sweden
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 17 Aug 1994 08:21:00 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Evad, Paul" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: WHAA!!

>The Scriptable Finder is readily available without buying the CD in
>question.  As one example, APDA sells something like the "Finder Scripting
>Update" for about $20 (since I had the necessary parts, I didn't pay much
>attention).

>Finder 7.1.4 STILL needs the Finder Scripting Extension to be the
>"Scriptable Finder".  7.1.4 ships with Power Macs (and has since Power Mac
day 1).

I'm still a bit confused on this subject. I have a power mac with Finder
7.1.4, so from this thread I understand that I need an extension "Finder
Scripting Extension".

Is this extension available from an FTP site or anything, you would think
that it would have been included in the Power Mac's.

- Paul Evad
[e-mail]
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Date:         Wed, 17 Aug 1994 09:05:58 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Power Mac and Finder

>I disagree with the claim that Power Macintosh has always shipped with Finder
>7.1.3 or upwards. The one I'm sitting in front of, here in England, shipped
>with
>Finder 7.1.2.
>
>If this is just England or is true for the first Power Macs I don't know.

It might be a localization matter.  However:  here, the System version is
7.1.2 on the Power Mac CD, but the Finder version is 7.1.4.  Try doing a
Finder Get Info command on the Finder icon in your system folder.

The System and Finder versions desynchonized as of "System 7Pro".

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
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Date:         Wed, 17 Aug 1994 12:15:54 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: WHAA!!
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Evad, Paul" at Aug 17, 94 08:21:00 am

--Evad, Paul wrote:
>
>I'm still a bit confused on this subject. I have a power mac with Finder
>7.1.4, so from this thread I understand that I need an extension "Finder
>Scripting Extension".

    You will need Finder Scripting Extension if you plan to do any
serious scripting of the Finder with AppleScript. Or if you would like
to be able to record AppleScripts from the Finder.

>Is this extension available from an FTP site or anything, you would think
>that it would have been included in the Power Mac's.

    Well, you might think that, but that's now how AppleScript has
evolved. If you just want the Finder Scripting Extension you can order
the Finder Scripting Update from APDA for about $20, and it includes the
AppleScript Finder Guide (English Dialect). A great book that can be
found for $19.95 at fine bookstores near you (Our main bookstore had it
in stock ;).

-Hades
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Date:         Wed, 17 Aug 1994 11:13:54 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Fred.Terry." <[e-mail]>
Subject:      creation of a MacScripting newsgroup

Folks,

I've been asked again to convert the MacScripting mailing list into a
newsgroup. While I'm not crazy about this idea, Andy and I have decided to
investigate the possiblities. However, before I initiate the rather lengthy
process of creating a newsgroup, I want to find out how many of the nearly
800
people on this list want a newsgroup.

I have attached a polling form to the end of this message. I'd appreciate
your
completing and returning it DIRECTLY to me at [e-mail] if you are
interested in participating. Please do not send the form back into the list.
Let's keep the bandwidth low. WARNING: on most systems, replying to this
message automatically sends the mail back into the list. YOU HAVE TO PUT MY
ADDRESS IN THE TO FIELD. Sorry to yell, but sometimes we don't pay attention:
I'm a parent; I know.

The poll is open until August 31; I'll go with the responses I get in that 2
week period.

For any of you that don't want to see the mailing list go away, I will say
that the listserv gods at Dartmouth tell me I can gateway the mailing list
into the newsgroup (and vice versa). If we ultimately go through with the
creation of a newsgroup, the mailing list will not go away.

A final note: I'm not worrying about a newsgroup name at the moment, so I'll
ignore any name proposals.

Thanks for taking the time to read and respond to this message. Sorry for
increasing the mailing load with administrative matters.

pf


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~SNIP HERE~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Should I begin the process of creating a MacScripting newsgroup?

____ Yes

____ No


Should the mailing list be maintained and messages gatewayed to the newsgroup
and vice versa.

____ Yes

____ No
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Date:         Wed, 17 Aug 1994 09:40:33 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Thomas C. O'Brien" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: HyperTalk/AppleScript communication

Frank,

This is indeed a painful "feature" of Applescript & HyperCard.  I
discovered that the only way to pass information seems to be through
function calls.

Applescript button:
on mouseUp
         copy getrecipients() to recipients

        tell application "Eudora1.4.3"
                make message InsertHere end of mailbox "out" of mail folder ""
                set field "to" of message 0 to recipients
                set field "subject" of message 0 to "This is a test"
                set field "" of message 0 to "text for the body of the message"
                --queue message 0
                --Eudora Script Courtesy of QualComm
                activate
        end tell
end mouseUp


Then in the Stack (or BG or Card) Script:
on getrecipients
      get cd fld "e-mailees" of cd "e-mail"
     put it into recipients
     return recipients    (anything "returned" gets passed back to the
AppleScript)
end getrecipients


Regards,

Tom O'Brien


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Thomas C. O'Brien
Instructional Technology Coordinator
Academic Achievement Division
2515 Channing Way
UC Berkeley
Berkeley CA 94720

<a href="http://128.32.252.17/Tomo's_Home_Page.html">Tomo -
[e-mail]</a>
[phone]
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Date:         Wed, 17 Aug 1994 13:27:29 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: creation of a MacScripting newsgroup
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Fred.Terry." at Aug 17, 94 11:13:54 am

--Fred Terry wrote:
>
>I've been asked again to convert the MacScripting mailing list into a
>newsgroup. While I'm not crazy about this idea, Andy and I have decided
>to investigate the possiblities. However, before I initiate the rather
>lengthy process of creating a newsgroup, I want to find out how many of
>the nearly 800 people on this list want a newsgroup.

    I'll be voting on the poll later... Back before the creation of the
MacScrpt mailing list there was a lot of discussion about the creation
of a Scripting newsgroup. It seemed to garner some support, but having
seen how little traffic there is in the comp.sys.mac.* newsgroups on
AppleScript (there's actually more on the Info-Mac digest than in all of
the csm.* groups combined these days) I don't think creating a newsgroup
is going to help anyone out. Most of the people who ask a lot of
scripting questions get pointed to this mailing list, and most of us
here seem pretty happy with things the way they are. And I, personally,
have a really big problem with the "if you build it, they will come"
philosophy of newsgroup creation. So I guess that's about all I have to
say on this, I'll go vote in the poll now.

-Hades
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Date:         Wed, 17 Aug 1994 13:28:56 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: creation of a MacScripting newsgroup
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Fred.Terry." at Aug 17, 94 11:13:54 am

Should I begin the process of creating a MacScripting newsgroup?

____ Yes

_xx_ No


Should the mailing list be maintained and messages gatewayed to the newsgroup
and vice versa.

_xx_ Yes

____ No
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Date:         Wed, 17 Aug 1994 11:06:35 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Looking for beta testers

Aladdin Systems is looking for a few good testers to help us out in testing
the COMPLETELY REVAMPED (read: Object Model) Apple event support in the
forthcoming StuffIt Deluxe 3.5.

To qualify, you must already be a registered owner of StuffIt Deluxe and be
a knowledgable and experienced scripter (AppleScript, Frontier, HyperTalk,
QuicKey Script, etc.)  You must also have FTP access and be willing to deal
with "unfinished" software.

If you are both qualified and interested, please send a message to
[e-mail] (DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS MESSAGE - I WILL IGNORE IT!!!!)
telling us who you are and your qualifications for the job....


Thanks in advance!


Leonard Rosenthol
Aladdin Systems, Inc.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Rosenthol                       Internet:       [e-mail]
Director of Advanced Technology         AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
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Date:         Wed, 17 Aug 1994 14:29:58 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: creation of a MacScripting newsgroup
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Wed, 17 Aug 94 13:27:29 EDT"

Brian,

>>I've been asked again to convert the MacScripting mailing list into a
>>newsgroup. While I'm not crazy about this idea, Andy and I have decided
>>to investigate the possiblities. However, before I initiate the rather
>>lengthy process of creating a newsgroup, I want to find out how many of
>>the nearly 800 people on this list want a newsgroup.
>
>    I'll be voting on the poll later... Back before the creation of the
>MacScrpt mailing list there was a lot of discussion about the creation
>of a Scripting newsgroup. It seemed to garner some support, but having
>seen how little traffic there is in the comp.sys.mac.* newsgroups on
>AppleScript (there's actually more on the Info-Mac digest than in all of
>the csm.* groups combined these days) I don't think creating a newsgroup
>is going to help anyone out. Most of the people who ask a lot of
>scripting questions get pointed to this mailing list, and most of us
>here seem pretty happy with things the way they are. And I, personally,
>have a really big problem with the "if you build it, they will come"
>philosophy of newsgroup creation. So I guess that's about all I have to
>say on this, I'll go vote in the poll now.

I remember your messages. I feel the same way today that I did back then: a
newsgroup is a big lose. I'm not certain that the newsgroup is going to
improve communication. I have a hunch that the noise ratio will increase. Some
people who aren't on the list but are on CI$ and AOL talked to a guy at Main
Event that I know. They all seemed to think that this should be a newsgroup,
though I can't imagine why. It has to be more expensive to read news than get
mail on the commercial services.

As an aside, I've only had about 10 messages over the last year requesting the
newsgroup, but the poll is predominately positive. I dunno.

Thanks for taking the time to send a comment along with the "ballot".

pf
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Date:         Wed, 17 Aug 1994 13:23:28 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Michel <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: creation of a MacScripting newsgroup

>Folks,
>
>I've been asked again to convert the MacScripting mailing list into a
>newsgroup. While I'm not crazy about this idea, Andy and I have decided to
>investigate the possiblities. However, before I initiate the rather lengthy
>process of creating a newsgroup, I want to find out how many of the nearly
>800
>people on this list want a newsgroup.
>
>I have attached a polling form to the end of this message. I'd appreciate
>your
>completing and returning it DIRECTLY to me at [e-mail] if you are
>interested in participating. Please do not send the form back into the list.
>Let's keep the bandwidth low. WARNING: on most systems, replying to this
>message automatically sends the mail back into the list. YOU HAVE TO PUT MY
>ADDRESS IN THE TO FIELD. Sorry to yell, but sometimes we don't pay attention:
>I'm a parent; I know.
>
>The poll is open until August 31; I'll go with the responses I get in that 2
>week period.
>
>For any of you that don't want to see the mailing list go away, I will say
>that the listserv gods at Dartmouth tell me I can gateway the mailing list
>into the newsgroup (and vice versa). If we ultimately go through with the
>creation of a newsgroup, the mailing list will not go away.
>
>A final note: I'm not worrying about a newsgroup name at the moment, so I'll
>ignore any name proposals.
>
>Thanks for taking the time to read and respond to this message. Sorry for
>increasing the mailing load with administrative matters.
>
>pf
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~SNIP HERE~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>Should I begin the process of creating a MacScripting newsgroup?
>
>__x__ Yes
>
>____ No
>
>
>Should the mailing list be maintained and messages gatewayed to the newsgroup
>and vice versa.
>
>__x__ Yes
>
>____ No
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Date:         Wed, 17 Aug 1994 13:34:16 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kee Nethery [phone] <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: HyperTalk/AppleScript communication

>This is indeed a painful "feature" of Applescript & HyperCard.  I
>discovered that the only way to pass information seems to be through
>function calls.

I find that AppleScript can pull info directly from fields but that the
abbreviations for card and field and background do not work. You must spell
them out.

AppleScript button
on mouseup
        Copy card field "the message" to themsg
        Copy card field "the addresses" to theadd
        tell application "Eudora1.4.3"
                make message InsertHere end of mailbox "out" of mail folder ""
                set field "to" of message 0 to theadd
                set field "subject" of message 0 to "This is a test"
                set field "" of message 0 to themsg
                queue message 0
                activate
        end tell
end mouseUp


Kee Nethery

__________________________________________________________________
Kee Nethery
1442-A Walnut Street #362
Berkeley, CA 94709-1405
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Date:         Wed, 17 Aug 1994 17:54:36 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Lee Hoong <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: creation of a MacScripting newsgroup

>They all seemed to think that this should be a newsgroup,
>though I can't imagine why. It has to be more expensive to read news than get
>mail on the commercial services.
>
>As an aside, I've only had about 10 messages over the last year requesting the
>newsgroup, but the poll is predominately positive. I dunno.

Here's another perspective on this issue:

It is my impression that many local user group BBS's may have Internet
e-mail access but no access to other Internet services like the newsgroups;
actually, some of the commercial BBS's do not have access to newsgroups
either.  However, the common thread, in terms of access, is e-mail.  It
seems to me that a mailing list is a better vehicle for most people,
especially those without newsgroup access.

Just my 2 cents.

Lee.

Lee K. Hoong
Emory University
Atlanta, GA 30322
Internet: [e-mail]
AOL: LHOONG
==========================
Opinions and comments expressed are mine; I do not represent Emory
University.
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Date:         Wed, 17 Aug 1994 15:24:22 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Doug Baron <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: using Frontier & Excel

>
>1.) A script that launches Excel (from Frontier) and opens the log file.
>There's a Frontier verb that handles this very action--app.startWithDocument (
>)--that takes the app's name and the document as arguments and returns true or
>false based on its success. For some reason, I can make the verb work from a
>QuickScript window--app.startWithDocument ("Excel", bkupLog )-- but not in the
>body of my script in the form:
>excel_ok = app.startWithDocument ("Excel", bkupLog )
>
>"bkupLog" is an Object Database cell containing a filespec for the log file I
>want to open. Frontier starts to launch Excel, flashing a message to that
>effect in its control bar, but the latter never quite makes it all the way up.
>I have to hit Command-Option-Escape to force-quit Excel. Switching back to
>Frontier I get an "Excel is either not running or not IAC-aware" alert.
>Obviously, Excel is IAC-aware. Launching it from the QuickScript window proves
>that. (Program-linking *is* switched on for Excel, by the way.)
>

I've seen this sort of problem before with Excel. It seems to be
timing-related. It only happens when Excel needs to be launch, right? If
so, you might try spacing out the time between the launch and the open
event:

        if not sys.appIsRunning (Excel.id)
                app.startWithDocument ("Excel", "" )
                clock.waitSeconds (4)
        Excel.openDocument (bkupLog)


>2) To maintain my log file's readability I want to apply formatting for each
>week. I have a range of cells that I've rather painstakingly formatted that I
>would like to copy and paste to the end of the spreadsheet automatically each
>Monday morning. Subsequent entries would be added into this weeky template
>without the need to format each cell.
>I've tried various things to do this using "Apple Events and Microsoft Excel
>4.0" and the glue scripts Frontier whips up as a guide. Without much success.
>Most of these experiments involve setting a range of cells and copying and
>pasting; shots in the dark. Frankly, I'm lost.
>

What specific formatting elements? Here's how to copy over a couple; you
can extrapolate using appropriate foratting names from the Excel verb
table:

with objectModel, Excel, document [1]
        x = get (cell ["r1c1"].style)
        set (cell [new].style, x)

        x = get (cell ["r1c1"].bottomBorder)
        set (cell [new].bottomBorder, x)

        etc.

Doug
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Date:         Wed, 17 Aug 1994 18:55:11 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Jones <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: creation of a MacScripting newsgroup

Some folks on this list seem to be able to script but not read.

Didn't the poll ask specifically that you NOT mail replies back to thelist!?!


stj
Steven T. Jones
Assistant Professor of Design & Technology
Middle Tennessee State University
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Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 09:51:10 +0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Craig Richmond <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: creation of a MacScripting newsgroup

>I've been asked again to convert the MacScripting mailing list into a
>newsgroup. While I'm not crazy about this idea, Andy and I have decided to
>investigate the possiblities. However, before I initiate the rather lengthy
>process of creating a newsgroup, I want to find out how many of the nearly 800
>people on this list want a newsgroup.

These debates rage regularly in mailing lists and are accompanied by the
just as common "Lets split the newsgroup" debates.

Mailing lists are appropriate when :-

  * subject matter is targeted at a small special interest group
  * the number of likely contributers is small
  * nobody other than the contributers will be interested
  * the discussions/information are be private

Newsgroups are appropriate when :-

  * subject matter is of interest to hundreds/thousands of people
  * there are many potential contributers
  * people other than the primary contributers are likely to gain from the info

When Applescript first came out, it was so special interest that a
newsgroup would not have been warranted.  With 800 people on the list, it
is perhaps time to create a newsgroup and do our best to spread the word to
the rest of the macintosh community.  Applescript is an underutilised
resource.  With the immenant release of 7.5, everyone will end up with
copies of Applescript on their computers (legally or illegally) within a
year or so.  If creating a a newsgroup helps encourage and foster
Applescript adoption by the masses, then it can only be good for us.  If
you are going to make a newsgroup, I would suggest that it goes under
programmer because that is what most of the traffic has been and there are
unlikely to be too many applescript related non-programmer inquiries
anyway.

MACSCRIPT has become a very high volume group.  It accounted for about 40%
of my mail while I was away for a couple of weeks.  There are probably a
lot of people who can read newsgroups for free but must pay for each
message they send/recieve.  Having a newsgroup makes life a lot easier for
these people.  It is convenient to let the gateway thing work, but if the
newsgroup takes off big time, you are going to get enormous amounts of
traffic.  Imagine c.s.m.programmer landing in your mailbox every day!

I'm not going to vote seeing as I am pretty much a lurker and don't end up
reading much anyway.  In this sense a newsgroup would probably suit me
better as well.  Newsgroups get better network utilisation than mailing
lists because only one copy of a message should traverse any network link.

So bear this in mind people and make your decision.

Craig

--
Craig Richmond, Computer Officer, ECEL Computing Services  [phone]
The University of Western Australia      or 380 3860 Email for FAX Number
[e-mail] Dvorak Keyboards RULE!  "Messes are only acceptable
if users make them.  Applications aren't allowed this freedom" I.M.VI 2-4
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Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 02:03:52 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scripting newsgroup, and SLIP

> Should the mailing list be maintained and messages gatewayed to the newsgroup
> and vice versa.

No no, a thousand times no!  The list should be maintained, but NOT
gatewayed to the newsgroup or vice versa.  Gatewaying the early music
mailing list to rec.musc.early has been a big source of headaches for those
who can't handle the volume and noise and orneriness of a usenet newsgroup
dumped into their mailbox.

Of course, WE have scripts and filters to manage thigns better than they do.

That said, I'm ambivalent on the notion of a newsgroup.  When i first got a
copy of AS, I DID look for comp.sys.mac.scripting, or at least I would have
if I'd not been told of the list sooner.  So perhaps it is a good idea,
low-volume or not, because it's a way to spread the word about the list in
a form that people will notice.  OTOH, I'm don't know if the volume makes
it worthwhile--yet.

I think, however, that as scriptable apps become more common, and AS
becomes more commonly available, we'll see a lot more scripters.  But do we
want the clueless newbie questions dumped into the mailboxes of those of us
who are too busy to deal?

Speaking of clueless newbies, I seem to recall rumors of scripting (Inter?)
SLIP?  Since I just got a copy of The Internet Adapter (tm), I need a good
SLIP, and I'd prefer a scriptable one.  I can't find anything for SLIP on
the archives, tho I did find a PPP.

~ Kiran <[e-mail]> (who always answers clueless Eudora questions)

--
6216 41st Avenue Hyattsville MD 20782 301/779-0756 <[e-mail]>
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 09:00:43 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         [e-mail]
Subject:      Re: Power Mac and Finder

>It might be a localization matter.  However:  here, the System version is
>7.1.2 on the Power Mac CD, but the Finder version is 7.1.4.  Try doing a
>Finder Get Info command on the Finder icon in your system folder.

That's exactyl what I did to get the finder version. Quite probably localization
and very annoying. I'm was hoping for a scriptable finder to get a ahead start
 on
developing an AppleScript to handle our Maciintosh Template installation.

Martyn Lesbirel
Computing Officer - Systems & Networks
Liverpool John Moores University
E-mail: [e-mail]    Tel:[phone]
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Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 06:08:24 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: creation of a MacScripting newsgroup

> is perhaps time to create a newsgroup and do our best to spread the word to
> the rest of the macintosh community.  Applescript is an underutilised
> resource.  With the immenant release of 7.5, everyone will end up with

I hadn't thought about this, and I agree.  AppleScript is something WE
have, and THEY don't have, and the more people who discover it and use it
and bug their application developers to add full AS support, the better off
we all are.

> Imagine c.s.m.programmer landing in your mailbox every day!

Yeah--no gateway.

~ Kiran <[e-mail]>

--
6216 41st Avenue Hyattsville MD 20782 301/779-0756 <[e-mail]>
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Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 08:16:42 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Boroditsky <sage![e-mail]>
Organization: Sage Design
Subject:      Re: using Frontier & Excel

>1.) A script that launches Excel (from Frontier) and opens the log file.
>There's a Frontier verb that handles this very action--app.startWithDocument
(
>)--that takes the app's name and the document as arguments and returns true
or
>false based on its success. For some reason, I can make the verb work from a
>QuickScript window--app.startWithDocument ("Excel", bkupLog )-- but not in
the
>body of my script in the form:
>excel_ok = app.startWithDocument ("Excel", bkupLog )

Have you tried
  launch.anything(bkupLog)

This always seems to work for me, the behaviour (I am Canadian) is akin to a
Finder double-click. Even if the file was not created in Excel, you can
change the file creator to have the file cause Excel to launch.


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Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 09:08:38 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Boroditsky <sage![e-mail]>
Organization: Sage Design
Subject:      Re: Pictures from QuarkXPress

>Does anyone know if someone can get a list pictures like they can get a font
>list. I don't see anything in the documentation about this. Any ideas?

In Frontier, something like this works like a charm and will return a list of
all the pictures in a document

with objectmodel,qxp,defs
  with document[1]
     foo = get(picturebox[all].image[1].filepath)

foo will be a list where each element is the full path if the image.
Note that picture boxes that have no image in them will have a filepath of
'null'.
People often use picture boxes as design elements, so this can give you
headache.
Also, if you have lots of images or lots of pages, you may want to do the
'get' on a page by page basis and then total the size of the lists.

To avoid you having to strain out boxes without pictures, you can use

with objectmodel,qxp,defs
  with document[1].picturebox[all].image[filepath * "null"]
      bar = get(filepath)

Frontier coerces "null" to "'null'" and * is not equals ( != )
This gets Quark to do the work of figuring out how many actual images there
are placed in your document.
+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+
|       Everything is very very deeply      \
|    I  N  T  E  R  T  W  I  N  G  L  E  D   \
| [e-mail]/sage![e-mail] \
+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 09:34:43 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Boroditsky <sage![e-mail]>
Organization: Sage Design
Subject:      Re: creation of a MacScripting newsgroup

>When Applescript first came out, it was so special interest that a
>newsgroup would not have been warranted.  With 800 people on the list, it
>is perhaps time to create a newsgroup and do our best to spread the word to
>the rest of the macintosh community.  Applescript is an underutilised
>resource.  With the immenant release of 7.5, everyone will end up with
>copies of Applescript on their computers (legally or illegally) within a
>year or so.  If creating a a newsgroup helps encourage and foster
>Applescript adoption by the masses, then it can only be good for us.  If
>you are going to make a newsgroup, I would suggest that it goes under
>programmer because that is what most of the traffic has been and there are
>unlikely to be too many applescript related non-programmer inquiries
>anyway.

Pardon me but I am in no way attempting to foster the use of AppleScript!
Excuse me, but it sucks. (Flame me later, but now I rant).

I thought this mailing list was concerned with *Macintosh scripting*.
Most of you may only use AppleScript, but some of us *never* use it.

BTW, the amount of traffic there is in this mailing list having to do with
people trying to do things that are already built into Frontier (and quite
reliably I might add) is astounding, but alas I rant again.

I just wanted to snip in the bud the automatic linking of Macintosh scripting
with AppleScript.

I too agree that scripting is under-utilized, but feel that an unmoderated
newsgroup would just create so much noise.

There, my rant is done (For now... ;)

David

+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+
|       Everything is very very deeply      \
|    I  N  T  E  R  T  W  I  N  G  L  E  D   \
| [e-mail]/sage![e-mail] \
+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 19:02:03 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Judith Kertisz SUCHARD <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: creation of a MacScripting newsgroup

>Should I begin the process of creating a MacScripting newsgroup?
>
>_xx_ Yes
>
>____ No
>
>
>Should the mailing list be maintained and messages gatewayed to the newsgroup
>and vice versa.
>
>____ Yes
>
>_xx_ No

Chaleureusement,

Judith
_________________________________________
Judith Kertisz Suchard                  [e-mail]
C.N.A.M. Labo Informatique             AppleLink: cnam
25, rue Mont Cenis                         Tel:[phone]
75018 Paris, France                     Fax: [phone]
_________________________________________
"La simpliciti, c'est le fruit d'un long effort"
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 12:35:28 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Frank Concannon <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: creation of a MacScripting newsgroup

>
>Pardon me but I am in no way attempting to foster the use of AppleScript!
>Excuse me, but it sucks. (Flame me later, but now I rant).
>


>
>David
>

Please expound upon your basic thesis.

Some examples of such suckingness would be good.
eg What exactly does it suck? and where does it suck it to?

Frank C.
R&E
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 11:05:56 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FaceSpan -- Wait, Please

I must be missing this basic idea, but here's my problem.

I want to open a window and wait until a button is hit.
Then I want to open another window.

The first step stumps me -- how can I tell AS to open a window (well, 'open
window named "x" works :) ) and *then wait until one of the buttons is
hit*?

-roy

Roy S. Rapoport                                       [e-mail]
2095 Rose St                                    Berkeley   CA   94709
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 14:30:26 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Steven L. Rohall" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FaceSpan -- Wait, Please

At 11:05 AM 8/18/94 -0800, you wrote:
>The first step stumps me -- how can I tell AS to open a window (well, 'open
>window named "x" works :) ) and *then wait until one of the buttons is
>hit*?
>
>-roy
>
>Roy S. Rapoport                                       [e-mail]
>2095 Rose St                                    Berkeley   CA   94709

How about:

open window "Welcome" returning =AC
        {closing item:button}
if the name of button is "pshOK" then
        open window "Main" with properties =AC
                {{position:centered in main}}
else
        quit
end if

                                -Steve.
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 12:05:31 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Eric Bowman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scripting BlitzMail 2.0.1

Has anyone successfully scripted Blitzmail to do anything interesting like
sort mail?  I am a novice AppleScripter, and barely know where to begin, but
Blitzmail seemed like a reasonable thing to play with since, well, I have it.
:)

I would be very appreciative if anyone felt like sharing any of their
scripts, particularly for sorting mail into folders based on sender, subject,
and/or body content.

Thanks,
bobo
--
[e-mail]
"Sure thing, giant beer!"
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 15:26:53 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scripting BlitzMail 2.0.1
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Eric Bowman" at Aug 18, 94 12:05:31 pm

--Eric Bowman wrote:
>
>Has anyone successfully scripted Blitzmail to do anything interesting like
>sort mail?  I am a novice AppleScripter, and barely know where to begin, but
>Blitzmail seemed like a reasonable thing to play with since, well, I have it.
>:)

    I've probably spent more time scripting BlitzMail than just about
anyone else in this country. (Note: this isn't too tough since BlitzMail
is only used at Reed College and Dartmouth College, and I've been
scripting it since AppleScript support was put into the beta version of
2.0)

>I would be very appreciative if anyone felt like sharing any of their
>scripts, particularly for sorting mail into folders based on sender, subject,
>and/or body content.

    Let me know what kinds of snags you are running into, and I'll see
what I can do to help you out. And private e-mail is probably the best
place for our discussion.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 15:25:50 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         anthony brown <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FaceSpan -- Wait, Please
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

Well, something that I do that is kindof like a cheat is to make the
window modal, and then the whole program will wait until you tell theat
window to close.  Be sure to set the autoclose property of the window to
true that way as soon as you press the button, the window will close...

Anthony

*********************************************************************
*                                                                   *
*  Anthony Brown, Macintosh Programming Intern, Harvard Universtiy  *
*                                                                   *
*  "Classic Rock Music Stations,  The 70's are calling,             *
*   They want their 8 - Tracks back!"                               *
*                                                                   *
*   Dolphins Rule!!  Undefeated 17 - 0  The Perfect Team 1972-73    *
*                                                                   *
*********************************************************************
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 15:42:05 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         anthony brown <[e-mail]>
Subject:      keeping filemaker pro and scriptable text editor hidden in the
              back

Can anyone out there tell me how to keep Filemaker Pro and the scriptable
text editor in the background?

I use this:

tell application "finder"
set visible of process "filemaker pro" to false
end tell

to hide them, but everytime I use the tell application, it pops into the
foreground, and it is pretty annoying, and starts becoming very
inefficient when you have to call a handler to hide the thing everytime
you access something in the database...

does anyone know how to get it in the background and keep it there?
The same goes with the scriptable text editor.

Anthony

*********************************************************************
*                                                                   *
*  Anthony Brown, Macintosh Programming Intern, Harvard Universtiy  *
*                                                                   *
*  "Classic Rock Music Stations,  The 70's are calling,             *
*   They want their 8 - Tracks back!"                               *
*                                                                   *
*   Dolphins Rule!!  Undefeated 17 - 0  The Perfect Team 1972-73    *
*                                                                   *
*********************************************************************
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 16:02:21 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: keeping filemaker pro and scriptable text editor hidden in the
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "anthony brown" at Aug 18, 94 03:42:05 pm

--Anthony Brown wrote:
>
>Can anyone out there tell me how to keep Filemaker Pro and the scriptable
>text editor in the background?
>
>I use this:
>
>tell application "finder"
>set visible of process "filemaker pro" to false
>end tell
>
>to hide them, but everytime I use the tell application, it pops into the
>foreground, and it is pretty annoying, and starts becoming very
>inefficient when you have to call a handler to hide the thing everytime
>you access something in the database...

    Are you sure you don't have an activate command inside the tell
control statement when you try to work with FM Pro? If you do, this is
what's makeing it visible. I've done stuff with it in the background
before, so I know it can be done.

>does anyone know how to get it in the background and keep it there?
>The same goes with the scriptable text editor.

    I don't work with the Scriptable Text Editor (epsecially since it
doesn't actually work with files of type TEXT) so I can't really help
you with this one.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 13:26:04 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript sucking
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

Whether or not AppleScript sucks, it's going to be on every single new
Macintosh when 7.5 ships. Whether you like it or not, most Mac scripters
are going to be using AS. Why pay money for Frontier when they get a
scripting system free? (that's a rhetorical question, BTW. I don't want
80 zillion responses, as I know that Frontier offers a lot that AS doesn't)

But then again, I'm biased (and I hope that the bundled documentation for
AS is really bad...)   :)

Derrick
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 13:54:20 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript sucking

At 13:26 8/18/94 -0700, Derrick Schneider wrote:
>Whether or not AppleScript sucks, it's going to be on every single new
>Macintosh when 7.5 ships. Whether you like it or not, most Mac scripters
>are going to be using AS. Why pay money for Frontier when they get a
>scripting system free? (that's a rhetorical question, BTW. I don't want
>80 zillion responses, as I know that Frontier offers a lot that AS doesn't)

Well, I don't mean to denigrate frontier, since I have not much experience
with it, but at the risk of pissing off Frontier fans, here goes:

I've used Frontier.  I see AS as having the following advantages over Frontier:
A) Graphical interface (FaceSpan)
B) Ease of use and learning
C) Simplicity
D) context-sensitive formatting (different colors/styles for fonts of scripts)
E) Delocalization -- you don't have everything in one huge file (Oh, please
   don't get corrupted root of mine ... )
Now, obviously, I haven't used Frontier much. Actually, I haven't used it
*at all* for anything useful -- I'm in the vague browsing stage.  So what
does it have that AS 1.1 with FaceSpan doesn't?

-roy

Roy S. Rapoport                                       [e-mail]
2095 Rose St                                    Berkeley   CA   94709
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 17:41:58 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         anthony brown <[e-mail]>
Subject:      what is frontmost gazer for?

What is it for anyways?  I have seen no documentation in my scripters kit...
It's a file that just sits there and does nothing...  is it a debugger of
some sort?

Anthony

*********************************************************************
*                                                                   *
*  Anthony Brown, Macintosh Programming Intern, Harvard Universtiy  *
*                                                                   *
*  "Classic Rock Music Stations,  The 70's are calling,             *
*   They want their 8 - Tracks back!"                               *
*                                                                   *
*   Dolphins Rule!!  Undefeated 17 - 0  The Perfect Team 1972-73    *
*                                                                   *
*********************************************************************
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Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 14:49:55 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Greg Francis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Maximum length of script

I'm using the Script Editor to write a rather large script and it is giving me
a message that I have reached the maximum length of the script. Copying the
script to Word gives me a count of 30001 characters.

Is this a limitation of AppleScript or the Script Editor? If it is the Script
Editor, does ScriptWizard allow longer scripts and is there a limit to the
length of an AppleScript script.

Thanks,

Greg Francis
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 17:58:17 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         anthony brown <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Any debugger/code optimizers out there for applescript?

Subject Line says all.

Anthony

*********************************************************************
*                                                                   *
*  Anthony Brown, Macintosh Programming Intern, Harvard Universtiy  *
*                                                                   *
*  "Classic Rock Music Stations,  The 70's are calling,             *
*   They want their 8 - Tracks back!"                               *
*                                                                   *
*   Dolphins Rule!!  Undefeated 17 - 0  The Perfect Team 1972-73    *
*                                                                   *
*********************************************************************
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 10:01:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: HyperTalk/AppleScript communication

Frank Lowney <[e-mail]> writes:

>on mouseUp
>        global response
>        tell application "HyperCard"
>                copy response to card field "testF"
>        end tell
>end mouseUp

Two things:

1) HyperTalk and AppleScript are quite separate languages. In particular,
they can't share variables directly. However, HyperCard makes all its objects
accessible to AppleScript, you just have to use the right object class when
referring to them, eg "variable" for a HyperTalk variable. You should see all
the object types listed if you open HyperCard's dictionary in the AppleScript
Script Editor.

2) The 'tell application "HyperCard"' bit is redundant. HyperCard is the
default target, since that's the application that's running the script.

Try this AppleScript script instead:

    on mouseUp
        copy variable "response" to card field "Test"
    end mouseUp

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 10:07:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Re> Eudora 1.4.3 auto-sorting?

Roy Roper <[e-mail]> writes:

>There is an aoce listserv in operation from the University of Michigan.
>Some of these issues are also being discussed there.
>
> ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Wed, Aug 17, 1994 ------
>
>I need a way to automatically sort my different [Eudora] mailboxes by date.
>Is it possible to do this with AppleScript?

I don't see what Eudora has to do with AOCE. Until some connection becomes
obvious, please keep discussion of Eudora scripting in the MACSCRPT list, and
out of the AOCE one!

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 15:28:54 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript sucking

I am sure that other Frontier users will pipe up, but here are my comments.
I will say that I use BOTH AS and Frontier for my scripting needs since
each has tools the other doesn't though I spend more time in Frontier.


>I've used Frontier.  I see AS as having the following advantages over Frontier:
>A) Graphical interface (FaceSpan)
>
        True, though FaceSpan works just fine in conjuction with Frontier
it simply isn't bundled.


>B) Ease of use and learning
>C) Simplicity
>
        That's relative.  I don't think that one could prove that AS is
easier than Frontier, or vice versa.


>D) context-sensitive formatting (different colors/styles for fonts of scripts)
>
        True.  HOWEVER, on the other hand Frontier's script editor is
outline based meaning that there is TEXT FOLDING which is GREAT for working
with large procedures!


>E) Delocalization -- you don't have everything in one huge file (Oh, please
>   don't get corrupted root of mine ... )
>
        It's a tradeoff.

        The centralization of data storage for Frontier (ie. the object
database) is one of its BEST features IMHO as it gives me a single DB for
storing all sorts of scripting related things (scripts, VIEWABLE persistant
store data, DOCUMENTATION (in full word processing or outline form), user
interface elements (dialogs, menus, etc.), etc.).  And being centralized
also means that not only are related elements grouped, BUT I can search the
DB to find things w/o worrying about where on my HD I put them!


>So what does it have that AS 1.1 with FaceSpan doesn't?
>
        Two other features of Frontier that I could not live w/o...

1) MenuSharing.  This is a way for me to add my own menus to MS aware
applications (which is pretty much all scriptable applications) so that I
can put my own commands into their menubar.  It was the impetus for OSA
Menu, but it is MUCH more flexible and cool...

2) Debugger!!  Just think of being able to single step through a script,
examining (and editing!) the values of variables as you went.   For me as
an application developer this is the BEST tool for writing AE support into
an application since it lets me see what is going on!


Leonard

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Rosenthol                       Internet:       [e-mail]
Director of Advanced Technology         AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 17:06:07 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript sucking
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

My use with Frontier was primarily with Frontier 1.0 when I did BMUG's
disk catalog. Leonard's right: debugging scripts and folding up
well-tested procedures (the disk catalog scripts were humungous (sp?))
was a godsend. Nowadays, I might choose to use AS just because I'm more
up on it then the new versions of Frontier, but I think both offer the
capability I'd need. In addition, we couldn't have lived without the
persistent storage (which, though possible in AS, is kind of a pain,
unless you've got ScriptBase) that the root offers.

Indeed, ease of learning is relative. I don't think programmers would
have any trouble with Frontier, but I think AS is more appealing to the
beginning scripter.

My humble opinion,

Derrick
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 20:09:42 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         [e-mail]
Subject:      Timer save

I have a stay-open timer script that runs certain other scripts on certain
days of the week at certain hours. The script file returns a value "Done0815"
that is a property variable (StocksDone) in the main timer, so it doesn't run
itself over and over.
   Problem is, if the Mac crashes and is restarted the same day, the
"Done0815" property value is erased and all of that day's routines up to that
minute are repeated.
   Question: Without quitting and reopening the alarm program, how can I get
the alarm program to save itself, thereby saving its "Done0815" value in that
particular property?
   I will be glad to share the alarm system script with anyone interested. It
has run withut pause for two weeks now on an unattended Mac ... producing
daily TV pages and stocks pages for two daily newspapers.
Jeff Beebe / Gannett
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 17:10:33 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: what is frontmost gazer for?
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

Haven't used Frontmost at all (except in its very early incarnations.
special bonus prize for anyone who can give all the names its gone
through), but I would guess that this is to allow people without
Frontmost (the full thing) to view Frontmost applications.

Derrick
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 12:12:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: creation of a MacScripting newsgroup

Craig Richmond <[e-mail]> writes:

>When Applescript first came out, it was so special interest that a
>newsgroup would not have been warranted.  With 800 people on the list, it
>is perhaps time to create a newsgroup and do our best to spread the word to
>the rest of the macintosh community.

My last message was sent to just 399 participants (and the number seems to be
slowly declining :-O), but I think it would make sense to set up a newsgroup
anyway. I believe it should be called something like comp.sys.mac.scripting.
I furthermore believe that it should subsume the existing
comp.sys.mac.hypercard group, since there will be a lot of overlap in their
subject area.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 17:16:20 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Maximum length of script
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Thu, 18 Aug 1994, Greg Francis wrote:

> I'm using the Script Editor to write a rather large script and it is giving me
> a message that I have reached the maximum length of the script. Copying the
> script to Word gives me a count of 30001 characters.

Script Editor won't do more than 32K. The difference might be header
information.

Derrick
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 17:35:46 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Matt Stevens <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Controlling Control Panels

Has anyone had any success in controlling either the network control panel
and/or MacTCP?  Specifically, switching the connection method that's
currently selected to another (ie. LocalTalk to EtherTalk, etc.).
--
matt

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:: Online Information Technician                     phone:   [phone] ::
:: Tribe Computer Works                                fax:   [phone] ::
:: <a href="http://www.tribe.com/HTML/thetribe/matt.html">Matt's Home!</a> ::
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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 00:41:52 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Hebert <[e-mail]>
Organization: L'AISON - Beverly Hills, Michigan
Subject:      Re: AppleScript sucking

Leonard Rosenthal <[e-mail]> writes:


>I am sure that other Frontier users will pipe up, but here are my comments.
>I will say that I use BOTH AS and Frontier for my scripting needs since
>each has tools the other doesn't though I spend more time in Frontier.
>
>
>>I've used Frontier.  I see AS as having the following advantages over
Frontier:
>>A) Graphical interface (FaceSpan)
>>
>        True, though FaceSpan works just fine in conjuction with Frontier
>it simply isn't bundled.
>
Wow, I had thought you couldn't use frontier either.. But, now that I think
about it, I bet using Frontier with FaceSpam is about is fun/easy as
scripting Frontier from the AppleScript Script editor while it's still set to
"AppleScript" dialect... Am I right?

[snip - for the same reason I stopped reading c.s.*.advocacy groups]

>>So what does it have that AS 1.1 with FaceSpan doesn't?
>>
>        Two other features of Frontier that I could not live w/o...
>
>1) MenuSharing.  This is a way for me to add my own menus to MS aware
>applications (which is pretty much all scriptable applications) so that I
>can put my own commands into their menubar.  It was the impetus for OSA
>Menu, but it is MUCH more flexible and cool...
>
>2) Debugger!!  Just think of being able to single step through a script,
>examining (and editing!) the values of variables as you went.   For me as
>an application developer this is the BEST tool for writing AE support into
>an application since it lets me see what is going on!
>
Two questions:
First, are there any plans to extend OSAMenu to be more flexible (a la Menu
Sharing, as you say)?
Second, would the debugging gap close if I were to switch to a 3rd party
script editor? Without commercializing, can someone point me at one if this
is the case? =)

Regards, and to each his own ;-)
Jay Hebert
[e-mail]


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Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 23:37:38 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Clark R. Wilkins" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Second edition of Tao book

Does anyone know if the second edition is a real re-write, or just a
repackaging with the new software? I have worked through the first eight
chapters of the first edition and found several bugs, structural errors,
and plain misconceptions that made me pretty disappointed in the text. It
seems to me that someone who did not have a pretty good grounding in basic
programming would be totally confused by the errata in the book. I have
mediocre skills which enabed me to circumvent the errors, but I did not
appreciate having to debug a book that cost me over $25.

Clark R. Wilkins <[e-mail]>
-My words are responsible for themselves-
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Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 22:39:31 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dan Wolfe <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Power Mac and Finder

>>It might be a localization matter.  However:  here, the System version is
>>7.1.2 on the Power Mac CD, but the Finder version is 7.1.4.  Try doing a
>>Finder Get Info command on the Finder icon in your system folder.
>
>That's exactyl what I did to get the finder version. Quite probably
>>localization and very annoying. I'm was hoping for a scriptable finder to get
>a >ahead start on developing an AppleScript to handle our Maciintosh Template
>>installation.

Confirmed to be a localization bug - annoying yes - but hard to find when
200 people are camped out on your shoulder watching every move. :-)

Scriptable Finder is available only in System 7.5 or greater OR from APDA.
Finder Scripting Extension is STILL necessary in 7.5 for finder scripting.
:-(

- Dan

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Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 22:57:23 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Maximum length of script

From: Greg Francis <[e-mail]>
>
>I'm using the Script Editor to write a rather large script and it is giving me
>a message that I have reached the maximum length of the script. Copying the
>script to Word gives me a count of 30001 characters.
>
>Is this a limitation of AppleScript or the Script Editor? If it is the Script
>Editor, does ScriptWizard allow longer scripts and is there a limit to the
>length of an AppleScript script.

I wrote an MPW tool called RunScript that doesn't work with AS 1.1.  It
proved to be some kind of weird MPW/AS/Component Manager mess that couldn't
be fixed, so I ditched the whole MPW tool idea and have rewritten it as
ScriptServer, the OSA script compiler/decompiler.  I'm preparing an alpha
release of this, but my wife keeps wanting me to come to bed instead of
staying up until 3 am, so it's taking some time.  One of my work
compatriots has also written some MPW stuff to do #includes in AppleScript
for library code, so I'll be including those scripts too.

You can thus use MPW to edit your arbitrarily large scripts and automate
your build process too, simply by calling ScriptServer with some MPW
scripts which use Ed Lai's SendAE tool.  It works well.

More will come as I get the time.

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 23:02:16 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Power Mac and Finder
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]> from "Dan Wolfe" at Aug
              18, 94 10:39:31 pm

Dan Wolfe writes:

> Scriptable Finder is available only in System 7.5 or greater OR from APDA.
> Finder Scripting Extension is STILL necessary in 7.5 for finder scripting.

Or from any dealer or mail order house selling the AppleScript 1.1
package labelled "Includes Finder Scripting Software."  You get both
the book _Scripting the Finder_ and the Finder and Extension for about
$140.  The manuals alone cost $70 or so, so this isn't TOO bad if you
don't mind a copy of FaceSpan too. :-)

AND, this finder is drag-manager aware.  THAT is way cool.

~ Kiran
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 02:10:35 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         anthony brown <[e-mail]>
Subject:      how to hardwire a password and then remove the code...

I am writing a database for someone, and now he is starting to flake out,
and I think that he may not pay me.  My question is this....

I would like to hardwire a password dialog asking for a password, using
applescript, because that is the language that I Am using in this.  The
tricky part is that once the password has been entered, I do not want
that to ever come up again...

How can I do that...

ex.

as soon as the program is run, the password must be entered. Once it has
been entered, it should never be asked again.

I want to do this so that I can give him his software so that I can give
him an incentive to pay me.  And until he pays me, I will give him the
password so that he can use it...

Unless anyone has any better ideas that I can use on this guy, would this
be the best option for me?

I am open to any suggestions...


I am thinking of using a scriptable text editor document with a password
of my choice in it.  If the file is not present, then ask for the word.
If the file is present, and the file contains the correct
password(hardwired into the program of course), ignore the password prompt...

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated...

Anthony

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=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 01:01:01 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Timer save

>I have a stay-open timer script that runs certain other scripts on certain
>days of the week at certain hours. The script file returns a value "Done0815"
>that is a property variable (StocksDone) in the main timer, so it doesn't run
>itself over and over.
>   Problem is, if the Mac crashes and is restarted the same day, the
>"Done0815" property value is erased and all of that day's routines up to that
>minute are repeated.
>   Question: Without quitting and reopening the alarm program, how can I get
>the alarm program to save itself, thereby saving its "Done0815" value in that
>particular property?

I'm not sure how to force the property to save.  However, that's not
actually the problem you're trying to solve, which is to save a small
amount of data.  A little bit of text written into a file (opened and
closed each time) could do that for you.
   --John

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=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 18 Aug 1994 22:31:37 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Chuck McKinnon <[e-mail]>
Subject:      MacPGP scripts

Hi all,
        I've just finished my addition to the MacPGP <-> Eudora universe,
and would like to find some hardy souls to try and break it!
        I have a MacPGP.lib (24K) and an Encrypt the out basket script
(8K), Decrypt the in basket is not yet finished and not availible : (.
        But hey, it's a beta -- doesn't that mean it's supposed to be
incomplete! Now if it was version 1.0 and cost $300 it would have to be
incomplete -- I think there are FTC laws saying so!

-----BEGIN PLUG-----
        These scripts are the basis for a simple, non-intrusive interface
for Eudora 1.4.3 and MacPGP 2.6ui. Place aliai of In & Out Basket in your
menu utility, MacPGP.lib can go anywhere, (it asks where it is). The first
time they are ran, they will ask some setup questions, and store that info
for future uses.
-----END PLUG-----
        Drop me a line for more info & I'll send you the package.

Thanx,


Chuck

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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 05:05:19 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Terry Thiel <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: creation of a MacScripting newsgroup
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

Yes there should be an Applescript newsgroup.  I don't care if the mailing
list is maintained.
-Terry
###
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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 13:17:45 --100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Stefania Castellani <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Memory problems with a script

Hi everybody,

I am writing a script (in AS of course!)
It is an application rather large, but until now I had no memory problems,
NOW I have a problem:

when I check the syntax of the script, the Script Editor is giving to me the
message

        "Out of memory"

and the only thing I am able to do is to save the script as a text,
close the Script Editor, reopening it, and saving the script as an
application............ :-(   (Moreover it doesn't work all the times).

Probably there is something very easy to do that I am not able to
see at the moment... Is there anybody out there who can help me?

Thanks a lot :-)

Stefania
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 09:38:19 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      text processing engines

I want to do some serious text processing--namely, scripts to do reference
threaded digestification of mailing list mail.  I'm considering BBEdit as
the engine, but I wondered if anyone had other suggestions?

(I assume that actually doing this *in the applet* would be a menory hog
and very slow.  Has anyone practical experience with just loading the text
into a string and working on that?  And how long is a string in AS anyway?
No, it's not in the manual!)

Since I might want to unparse mangled headers from certain pesky sites
(<grin>) I need soemthing pretty darn powerful.  Scriptable Text Editor
doesn't count.

~ Kiran

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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 09:38:53 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: creation of a MacScripting newsgroup
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" at Aug 19, 94 12:12:00 pm

--Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>My last message was sent to just 399 participants (and the number seems to be
>slowly declining :-O), but I think it would make sense to set up a newsgroup
>anyway. I believe it should be called something like comp.sys.mac.scripting.
>I furthermore believe that it should subsume the existing
>comp.sys.mac.hypercard group, since there will be a lot of overlap in their
>subject area.

    This was one of the reasons the csm.scripting group didn't get off
the ground the first time. No one seemed to want to go to the
csm.hypercard newsgroup and get their opinion on the move. We would not
only have to convince them to change the name of their group, but to
also allow for a more than doubling of the current traffic with
non-hypercard related posts.

-Hades
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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 09:41:32 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript sucking

At 5:54 PM 8/18/94, Roy S. Rapoport wrote:

> I've used Frontier.  I see AS as having the following advantages [...]
> D) context-sensitive formatting (different colors/styles for fonts of scripts)

If Frontier doesn't have this, it's missing something really useful--useful
to PEOPLE, not programmers.  <grin>  And it's gonna be people using
AppleScript.

I've caught several errors of "logic" by noticing that thigns I thought
were application variables were being formatted as my variables.  Makes
debugging the text a lot easier IMO.  Much nicer than the naming
conventions I still use to keep identifiers straight.

Now if only we had context-sensitive formatting in ALL written text....

~ Kiran

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=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 07:46:22 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Roy Roper <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re> Re: Re> Eudora 1.4.3 auto-sorting?

The note was about scripting in general, and not all scripting discussions
are being held in this forum.  Some may find other scripting discussions
helpful as well.

Thanks for your kind advice.

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Thu, Aug 18, 1994 ------

Roy Roper <[e-mail]> writes:

>There is an aoce listserv in operation from the University of Michigan.
>Some of these issues are also being discussed there.
>
> ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Wed, Aug 17, 1994 ------
>
>I need a way to automatically sort my different [Eudora] mailboxes by date.
>Is it possible to do this with AppleScript?

I don't see what Eudora has to do with AOCE. Until some connection becomes
obvious, please keep discussion of Eudora scripting in the MACSCRPT list, and
out of the AOCE one!

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 09:34:30 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Bryan <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Memory problems with a script

>
>when I check the syntax of the script, the Script Editor is giving to me the
>message
>
>        "Out of memory"
>

Script Editor is an application which tries to live within a memory
partition like all other applications. If you find that partition too small
then you need to make it larger. To do that select Sript Editor in the
Finder and choose Get Info from the File menu. At the bottom right of the
dialog that you'll probably see that 700K is the preferred size. Bump it up
to a larger number. To help you determine an appropriate partition size try
running Script Editor after opening the About This Macintosh item from the
Apple menu in the Finder. This will show you how much of its partition
Script Editor is using.

-------------------------------------------------------------
Steve Bryan                Internet: [e-mail]
Sexton Software          CompuServe: 76545,527
Minneapolis, MN 55415           Fax: [phone]
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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 08:12:57 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: how to hardwire a password and then remove the code...

At  2:10 8/19/94 -0400, anthony brown wrote:

>I would like to hardwire a password dialog asking for a password, using
>applescript, because that is the language that I Am using in this.  The
>tricky part is that once the password has been entered, I do not want
>that to ever come up again...
>
>How can I do that...

In broad terms,

set PrefFile to "MyPref"
tell application "Finder"
if (exists (path to Preferences & PrefFile)) then
        go on ...
else
        ask for password
end if

>I am thinking of using a scriptable text editor document with a password
>of my choice in it.  If the file is not present, then ask for the word.
>If the file is present, and the file contains the correct
>password(hardwired into the program of course), ignore the password prompt...

While you certainly can do whatever you want, I would be more inclined to
go for an algorithm-based password, rather than a text-based password, if
only so some sort of binary editor can't be used to coax the phrase out.
Think about it this way:

set MyMagicNumber to 17
copy (get_password()) to MyPW
copy (atoi(MyPW)) to MyPWInt -- convert MyPW to an integer
if (MyPWInt mod MyMagicNumber) is 0 then
        -- This is right
else
        -- This is wrong
end if

This is nice because all you need to change the password is to change the
MyMagicNumber; using a prime number is probably a good thing;

I could be a little more sophisticated, but I'd be close to violating my NDA ...

-roy

Roy S. Rapoport                                       [e-mail]
2095 Rose St                                    Berkeley   CA   94709
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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 11:09:54 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Memory problems with a script

>when I check the syntax of the script, the Script Editor is giving to me the
message

Increase the memory partition of Script Editor.

Danny Goodman
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 11:13:35 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Maximum length of script

>Copying the script to Word gives me a count of 30001 characters.
>
>Is this a limitation of AppleScript or the Script Editor?

This is a limitation of the Mac toolbox routines that the Script Editor uses
for its text fields.  The same 30,000 character limit afflicts HyperTalk
scripts in HyperCard and numerous other products (TeachText).  I don't recall
if ScriptWizard uses a different field methodology (for > 30,000 characters),
but the guys there will surely chime in here if appropriate.

Danny Goodman
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 16:17:11 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Paul G Smith <[e-mail]>
Organization: commstalk, & Full Moon Software Inc
Subject:      Re: ScriptWizard v. Script Editor

Hi Roy,

In Regards to your letter <"ScriptWizard v. Script Editor">:
>
> I've been playing around with a demo version of Script Wizard, trying to
> see if I liked it enough to push for a purchase.  It seems very cool,
> except for two problems:
>
> A) It's slow -- opening up two AS compiled scripts (saved as apps), with a
> total of 64K of code, took about 21 seconds longer than in Script Editor,
> for example.  SE took 26 seconds to start up and load both scripts in ; SW
> took about 47 seconds; you might want to knock off half a second for
> clicking the 'this is a demo' dialog box.  Similarly, saving and compiling
> times are also longer.  Anybody know if there's a fix for this?
>
> B) It's jerky -- when it's slow, it's not consistently slow.  It freezes
> for a second, then releases, etc.  It's not as smooth as SE...

There is a workaround for this in the shipping version, but first
a paragraph of explanation is due:

The problem is mostly down to the text editing engine used in ScriptWizard
(Word Solution Engine, from Datapak Software). WSE has many neat features
but it is not quite as speedy as we'd hoped when faced with text that has
lots and lots of style runs per line, like styled AppleScript text. WSE
also bogs down a bit more than it should in emulation mode on PowerMacs.
It depends on the Mac hardware you're running it on, but this is certainly
a complaint we've had from some of our users. Accordingly we are giving
these performance issues 110% attention in the next major release of SW;
the next version uses a different text editing engine that also allows SW
to run native on PowerMacs (was that an announcement....? hmmm).

We built a workaround into ScriptWizard 1.0, by the way: if you turn off
AppleScript Formatting (using the check box in the Formatting window) then
compilation and  text editing will be un-styled, but faster. This is
useful on older Macs, and may be easier than turning off ATM (another
cause of a slow-down, if ATM must build the fonts used for the styled
script display).

Hope this helps,


best regards, Paul

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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 08:19:08 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Timer save

At 20:09 8/18/94 -0400, [e-mail] wrote:
>   Question: Without quitting and reopening the alarm program, how can I get
>the alarm program to save itself, thereby saving its "Done0815" value in that
>particular property?

Now that it's somewhat easy to get into files, why not use a preferences file?

-roy

Roy S. Rapoport                                       [e-mail]
2095 Rose St                                    Berkeley   CA   94709
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 08:30:53 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Maximum length of script

At 11:13 8/19/94 -0400, Danny Goodman wrote:
>This is a limitation of the Mac toolbox routines that the Script Editor uses
>for its text fields.  The same 30,000 character limit afflicts HyperTalk
>scripts in HyperCard and numerous other products (TeachText).  I don't recall
>if ScriptWizard uses a different field methodology (for > 30,000 characters),
>but the guys there will surely chime in here if appropriate.

I just opened a 67K file in ScriptWizard.  Actually, it opened rather
quickly, as text (which confirms Paul's earlier point).


Roy S. Rapoport                                       [e-mail]
2095 Rose St                                    Berkeley   CA   94709
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 08:32:20 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ScriptWizard v. Script Editor

At 16:17 8/19/94 +0000, Paul G Smith wrote:

>The problem is mostly down to the text editing engine used in ScriptWizard
>(Word Solution Engine, from Datapak Software). WSE has many neat features
>but it is not quite as speedy as we'd hoped when faced with text that has
>lots and lots of style runs per line, like styled AppleScript text. WSE
>also bogs down a bit more than it should in emulation mode on PowerMacs.
>It depends on the Mac hardware you're running it on, but this is certainly
>a complaint we've had from some of our users. Accordingly we are giving
>these performance issues 110% attention in the next major release of SW;
>the next version uses a different text editing engine that also allows SW
>to run native on PowerMacs (was that an announcement....? hmmm).
>
>We built a workaround into ScriptWizard 1.0, by the way: if you turn off
>AppleScript Formatting (using the check box in the Formatting window) then
>compilation and  text editing will be un-styled, but faster. This is
>useful on older Macs, and may be easier than turning off ATM (another
>cause of a slow-down, if ATM must build the fonts used for the styled
>script display).

The only problem is that I REALLY REALLY like the AppleScript formatting;
it's not something I'd trade off for speed.

Currently this seems to be pretty much the only serious flaw I've found
with ScriptWizard (aside from the fact it's a Mac product :) ).  When's the
next major release?

-roy

Roy S. Rapoport                                       [e-mail]
2095 Rose St                                    Berkeley   CA   94709
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 08:33:33 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FaceSpan -- Wait, Please

At 15:25 8/18/94 -0400, anthony brown wrote:
>Well, something that I do that is kindof like a cheat is to make the
>window modal, and then the whole program will wait until you tell theat
>window to close.  Be sure to set the autoclose property of the window to
>true that way as soon as you press the button, the window will close...

Yeah -- I forgot about window types (I've been a bad programmer -- I just
browsed through the book, rather than reading it), so I was setting it up
as a document window ...

-roy, who thinks FaceSpan is so cool, he might not be cool enough to use it


Roy S. Rapoport                                       [e-mail]
2095 Rose St                                    Berkeley   CA   94709
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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 11:00:12 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: creation of a MacScripting newsgroup
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Fri, 19 Aug 94 09:38:53 EDT"

>--Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>My last message was sent to just 399 participants (and the number seems to be
>>slowly declining :-O), but I think it would make sense to set up a newsgroup
>>anyway. I believe it should be called something like comp.sys.mac.scripting.
>>I furthermore believe that it should subsume the existing
>>comp.sys.mac.hypercard group, since there will be a lot of overlap in their
>>subject area.
>
>--Brian Hughes replied:
>
>    This was one of the reasons the csm.scripting group didn't get off
>the ground the first time. No one seemed to want to go to the
>csm.hypercard newsgroup and get their opinion on the move. We would not
>only have to convince them to change the name of their group, but to
>also allow for a more than doubling of the current traffic with
>non-hypercard related posts.

Odd, I thought we weren't going to talk about this yet. :-)

Let me just interject a dose of reality into this thread. Go read the messages
in the comp.sys.mac.programmer relating to their attempts to sub-divide and
name the smaller groups. Then read what the Usenet Newsgroup Creation
Companion has to say about efforts to change a group name/direction instead of
creating a new one. The simplest (perhaps, sanest?) way to do this--if we do
it at all--is to create a new group. An probably one that does not have
programming in it's name.

And Lawrence, where did you get that 399 number? A rev macscrpt just show 779
members (which is down from 780-something since the last time I checked). Or
did I misunderstand?

pf
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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 12:15:58 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Andrew J. Kass" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      How can I see events?

Is there an easy way to see what events are being passed and the replies?
The reason I need to know is that I am scanning in multiple pages using
scriptable scanning software. After scanning, I save each page. When I send
the save event, the software writes the file, then the script sits around for
about 20 seconds, spinning the cursor, apparantly doing nothing! I would like to
see exactly what/when the appleevents are being passed and the replies so I can
figure out what the delay is. Is this possible?

Thanks!

Andrew

Andrew Kass
Library 2000
MIT Lab for Computer Science
[e-mail]
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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 12:17:26 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Schettino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Wanted: CTB osax

This request may have been made before, but...

I'd really like to find an osax that would enable i/o via the CTB. Anyone
working on one of those?

This is for a potential shareware product that supports data transfer
between the Newton and mac/Applescript. I've got a good start on the newton
side, but really want to avoid learning all about the CTB.

There is additional functionality that I'm looking for as well (in the next
post)

- john

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[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
John Schettino                Waltham, MA
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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 12:19:15 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Schettino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Any way to "compile" a string

This request may have been made before, but...

I've got a string

"{foo:\"a value\", bar:3, zed:{wow:1, blah:\"foo\"}}"

I'd like to call a fn and get back a real applescript record:

{foo:"a value", bar:3, zed:{wow:1, blah:"foo"}}

Any takers?

- john

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[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
John Schettino                Waltham, MA
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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 09:26:40 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Paul Farrah <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Any way to "compile" a s

        Reply to:   RE>Any way to "compile" a stri
To convert your "record string" to a record, try this:

run script "{foo:\"a value\", bar:3, zed:{wow:1, blah:\"foo\"}}"
-- returns the record {foo:"a value", bar:3, zed:{wow:1, blah:"foo"}}

This requires Apple's Run Script osax.

-Paul

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From: John Schettino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Any way to "compile" a string
X-To:         Macintosh Scripting Systems
              <[e-mail]>
To: Multiple recipients of list MACSCRPT
<[e-mail]>

This request may have been made before, but...

I've got a string

"{foo:\"a value\", bar:3, zed:{wow:1, blah:\"foo\"}}"

I'd like to call a fn and get back a real applescript record:

{foo:"a value", bar:3, zed:{wow:1, blah:"foo"}}

Any takers?

- john

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[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
John Schettino                Waltham, MA
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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 09:47:04 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: text processing engines

>I want to do some serious text processing--namely, scripts to do reference
>threaded digestification of mailing list mail.  I'm considering BBEdit as
>the engine, but I wondered if anyone had other suggestions?
>
        BBEdit will work just fine.  Also, Frontier has some wonderful
tools for doing text manipulation/munging that I used to write a complete
language parser for a particular project (I think a small version of it
even ships with our SITcomm install file ;).

Leonard

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Leonard Rosenthol                       Internet:       [e-mail]
Director of Advanced Technology         AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 09:46:37 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript sucking

>>        Two other features of Frontier that I could not live w/o...
>>
>>1) MenuSharing.  This is a way for me to add my own menus to MS aware
>>applications (which is pretty much all scriptable applications) so that I
>>can put my own commands into their menubar.  It was the impetus for OSA
>>Menu, but it is MUCH more flexible and cool...
>>
>>2) Debugger!!  Just think of being able to single step through a script,
>>examining (and editing!) the values of variables as you went.   For me as
>>an application developer this is the BEST tool for writing AE support into
>>an application since it lets me see what is going on!
>>
>Two questions:
>First, are there any plans to extend OSAMenu to be more flexible (a la Menu
>Sharing, as you say)?
>
        Plans yes - time frame, no.  Right now I am VERY swamped with a
number of "real" projects (like the new StuffIt) and so OSA Menu doesn't
get any attention.  I hope to get back to it soon as there are a number of
interesting directions that I want to take it....


>Second, would the debugging gap close if I were to switch to a 3rd party
>script editor? Without commercializing, can someone point me at one if this
>is the case? =)
>
        It would close, but it can NOT approach Frontier in that UserTalk
(Frontier's language) was designed with debugging as a high priority while
AS was not.  As such, the 3rd party editors each use a "hack" to get
debugging and so things don't always work right that way.


LDR

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Leonard Rosenthol                       Internet:       [e-mail]
Director of Advanced Technology         AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 09:55:54 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Second edition of Tao book
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Thu, 18 Aug 1994, Clark R. Wilkins wrote:

> Does anyone know if the second edition is a real re-write, or just a
> repackaging with the new software? I have worked through the first eight
> chapters of the first edition and found several bugs, structural errors,
> and plain misconceptions that made me pretty disappointed in the text. It

A lot of the text has been rewritten to handle some of the (ahem) errors
from version 1. Though the actual "exercises" are still the same,
they've been picked over. We actually had technical editors this time
(novel idea, n'est-ce pas?) who caught a lot of things. Plus I went
through and corrected as much as I could.

Sigh, can't please all the people all the time, I suppose.

Derrick
P.S. Order it direct from BMUG. That way it won't cost you as much!
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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 11:42:50 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: How can I see events?
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Fri, 19 Aug 94 12:15:58 EDT"

Andrew,

>Is there an easy way to see what events are being passed and the replies?
>The reason I need to know is that I am scanning in multiple pages using
>scriptable scanning software. After scanning, I save each page. When I send
>the save event, the software writes the file, then the script sits around for
>about 20 seconds, spinning the cursor, apparantly doing nothing! I would like
>to
>see exactly what/when the appleevents are being passed and the replies so I ca
>n
>figure out what the delay is. Is this possible?

You might want to check out AE Tracker. It creates a log file of all the Apple
events that are sent and received. You'll find it at

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/addons/AETRACKER-3-0.HQX

Hope that helps.

pf
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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 13:24:06 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Boroditsky <sage![e-mail]>
Organization: Sage Design
Subject:      Re: AppleScript sucking

My initial comments were in response to someone's equating scripting in
general with AppleScript in particular. There are a lot more people doing
AppleScript than Frontier, and Frontier is more expensive.

I guess it comes down to what you want. If you want to go the inexpensive
route, not have much functionality built in, wrestle with dozens of scripting
additions and various incompatibilities, use AppleScript. Many of the
available OSAXen's features are already present, de-bugged and  documented in
Frontier. If you have to get something done quickly and efficiently, and you
want to spend your time thinking about the logic and flow of the script you
want to write, rather then figuring out how to get the scripting environment
to do what you want, use Frontier.

Many of the points mentioned by others regarding the advantages of AS over
Frontier have already been ably addressed by Leonard Rosenthol, but I have a
few comments as well...

As far as learning curve, Frontier includes an integrated scriptable document
server that contains documentation for the buitin verbs. The format of the
document pages provides for a description of the parameters, examples, notes,
what it does, related verbs and what is returned. It is an invaluable
consistent resource. There are scripts within Frontier to manage the document
server and build outlines of the documented verbs.

By pressing the control key while double clicking on the name of a verb, it
is automatically looked up for you. From the document server, you can copy to
the clipboard any of the different components of that verb's documentation.
Heck, you could whip up a script that created an outline of all parameters of
all the verbs having to do with dialogs.

Frontier comes with dozens of indexed and documented sample scripts to
demonstrate the syntax of the language and the use of verbs. Just unfold the
name of the verb and voila, the name of the sample scripts that use it. Hold
down the command key and double click on the name of the script and voila,
that script's window is opened.

There is also an outline form of the manual's index, but instead of
referencing the book, it references the object database.

Delocalization - Information can be stored at runtime in variables or can be
permanently stored in the object database, or they can be written out to a
file as text, or stored in the object database, that piece of database
exported to a file, and then deleted from the database, to be available again
just by opening it. Wow! What choices.

Frontier's debugger allows stepping, editing and the setting of break points.
The debugging info for each execution scope is stored in a different table,
making it easy to debug.

Frontier's scriptable integrated word processor has a ruler, 4 kinds of tabs,
left/right/centre/justified text, and find and replace.

Frontier's integrated scriptable outline processor is just so incredibly
useful for so many things that I don't know where to begin, so I won't.

Frontier has the ability to remove the source code from the tokenized code.
This can be quite useful if you are selling scripts, or don't want the
curious mucking about. I don't know if AppleScript can do this as well.

Frontier's object database allows for the customization of your programming
environment and the ability to easily manage and organize large amounts of
info.
    Want to create a new global constant? Just add it to the table that
contains all the global constants.
    Want a shared menu in to have different items on it depending on the time
of day or day of the week? Just add a script to the agents (cron-like
background running scripts) table that adds or deletes or re-writes the code
for the menubar for that app in the object database.
    Want to have computed values in a menubar? Just make the name of the item
the formula preceeded by =

I prefer UserTalk to Apple's scripting language. It is more terse and formal
looking, but I find that easier to program and easier to keep organized. I
tend to nest several calculations and procedure calls within one line, and
have one more than one occaison used up the 127 characters/line limit. It
seems that I can get more done with fewer keystrokes with Frontier.

The fact that AppleScript will be bundled with System 7.5 is a good idea.
With more people scripting (or running scripts) more apps will be scriptable
which is also good.

David

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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 13:24:54 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Schettino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Any way to "compile" a s

>        Reply to:   RE>Any way to "compile" a stri
>To convert your "record string" to a record, try this:
>
>run script "{foo:\"a value\", bar:3, zed:{wow:1, blah:\"foo\"}}"
>-- returns the record {foo:"a value", bar:3, zed:{wow:1, blah:"foo"}}
>
>This requires Apple's Run Script osax.
>

It only gives me an error... does this actually work for anyone?

If only that were true! I've got the lateste AppleScript (1.1) and Run
Script (1.1) osaxen, and it only accepts script files:

System Object Suite:
Copyright =AE 1993 Apple Computer, Inc. All rights reserved.

run script: Run a specified script or script file.
        run script  script  -- script or script file to execute
                [with parameters  list]  -- list of parameters
                [in  string]  -- scripting component to use, default is
current scripting component
        Result:   anything  -- result of running script

Am I missing something? Getinfo on run script says:
Run Script
AppleScript (tm) 1.1
Created/Modified Wed, Dec 8, 1993

- john

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[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
John Schettino                Waltham, MA
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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 10:35:29 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Wanted: CTB osax

>I'd really like to find an osax that would enable i/o via the CTB. Anyone
>working on one of those?
>
        There are no OSAXen for the CTB, since most people who want to
script communications are doing so with scriptable comm programs such as
SITcomm.  If you MUST use externals instead of an application, you might
want to look into the XCMDRunner OSAX along with the old CTB XCMD's.


Leonard

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Leonard Rosenthol                       Internet:       [e-mail]
Director of Advanced Technology         AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 10:37:47 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: How can I see events?

"Andrew J. Kass" writes

>Is there an easy way to see what events are being passed and the replies?
>The reason I need to know is that I am scanning in multiple pages using
>scriptable scanning software. After scanning, I save each page. When I send
>the save event, the software writes the file, then the script sits around for
>about 20 seconds, spinning the cursor, apparantly doing nothing! I would like
>>to
>see exactly what/when the appleevents are being passed and the replies so I can
>figure out what the delay is. Is this possible?

If you have access to Apple's Developer CD series, check out Chris Huan's
AETracker:

Dev.CD Aug 94:Tool Chest:OS/Toolbox:Apple Events:AE Tools:AETracker 3.0:

This is shareware (but *don't* pay the $5.00...Chris doesn't want the money
and no longer cashes the checks).

If you don't have the developer CDs, you could look around ftp.apple.com.

Or...I can mail you a copy (but I can't post to gaea).

This is a Control Panel with an INIT.  When activated, it writes a log file
of AE Manager calls.  You have lots of control over what it logs, from
"every d**n thing" in all processes down to a particular call in a single
process.

-----------------
Fred:  I don't actually know that this thing couldn't go on gaea...it is
Chris' shareware, and I forget whether an Apple copyright appears on it or
not.  One could always ask Chris.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 10:47:24 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Any way to "compile" a s

>>        Reply to:   RE>Any way to "compile" a stri
>>To convert your "record string" to a record, try this:
>>
>>run script "{foo:\"a value\", bar:3, zed:{wow:1, blah:\"foo\"}}"
>>-- returns the record {foo:"a value", bar:3, zed:{wow:1, blah:"foo"}}
>>
>>This requires Apple's Run Script osax.
>>
>
>It only gives me an error... does this actually work for anyone?
>
>If only that were true! I've got the lateste AppleScript (1.1) and Run
>Script (1.1) osaxen, and it only accepts script files:
>
>System Object Suite:
>Copyright =AE 1993 Apple Computer, Inc. All rights reserved.
>
>run script: Run a specified script or script file.
>        run script  script  -- script or script file to execute
>                [with parameters  list]  -- list of parameters
>                [in  string]  -- scripting component to use, default is
>current scripting component
>        Result:   anything  -- result of running script
>
>Am I missing something? Getinfo on run script says:

"script or script file" means just that:  a script (as text) or a script
file (in Apple's definition thereof).

Here's a working example:

    run script "display dialog \"Here I am\""


----------
However, I have Run Script 1.1.1b1 (April 1994).  Someone else will have to
remember where I got that update ;-)

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 14:04:27 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Schettino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Any way to "compile" a s

>However, I have Run Script 1.1.1b1 (April 1994).  Someone else will have to
>remember where I got that update ;-)

Ah HA! That must be it... I bought the scripter's toolkit recently, and got
the "old" 1.1. I wonder where y'all find the newer ones. I'll go netfishing
and see what I can find.

- john

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[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
John Schettino                Waltham, MA
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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 12:55:06 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript sucking

At 13:24 8/19/94 -0500, David Boroditsky wrote:
>Frontier has the ability to remove the source code from the tokenized code.
>This can be quite useful if you are selling scripts, or don't want the
>curious mucking about. I don't know if AppleScript can do this as well.

Yes...AppleScript does provide this capability.  Actually, once an
AppleScript script is compiled and the window is closed, the source is
gone.  The script is decompiled later when the source is needed again.  But
the underlying software provides a flag that says "don't allow decompiling
to source", and the Script Editor provides a way of setting that flag when
saving a script.

[And both Frontier and the AppleScript Script Editor allow the script
writer to discard the only available copy of the source, which isn't a good
thing for a script writer to do.]

Thanks for the kind words!

--John

--John W. Baxter    Port Ludlow, WA USA   [e-mail]
  UserLand Software support
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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 14:29:43 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Andy Cemelli [remote]" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: creation of a MacScripting newsgroup -Reply

What are the advantages and disadv of a newsgroup as opposed to
mailing list?

Andy
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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 16:25:30 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Mobilio, Dominick" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript/Frontier

From: Mobilio, Dominick
Date: Fri, Aug 19, 1994 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: AppleScript/Frontier
To: MacScripting
From: Mobilio, Dominick on Fri, Aug 19, 1994 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: AppleScript/Frontier
To: MacScripting

>From:    David Boroditsky <sage![e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: creation of a MacScripting newsgroup


>BTW, the amount of traffic there is in this mailing list having to do
>with people trying to do things that are already built into Frontier
> (and quite reliably I might add) is astounding, but alas I rant again.


It is amazing that you can grasp the art of scripting but are astounded as to
why people would be using AppleScript to do things that Frontier does.
Considering your sophomoric characterization of AppleScript, perhaps I
shouldn't be surprised.  What IS astounding is that someone can't understand
why people would use something that comes free with an operating system rather
than something they need to purchase separately.
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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 15:41:29 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: creation of a MacScripting newsgroup -Reply
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Fri, 19 Aug 94 14:29:43 MDT"

Andy asks....
>What are the advantages and disadv of a newsgroup as opposed to
>mailing list?

The mailing list is
        small and cozy--most everyone posts questions and answers
        easy to create/maintain/moderate
        easy to keep up with--it comes right to your mailbox
        digestable
        less given to flame wars
        lower traffic/less irrelevant noise
But it is also
        hard to find
        hard on people that don't like/can't afford lots of mail traffic

A newsgroup is
        more widely available
        easier on the mailbox
But it is also
        more prone to flame wars
        more likely to have lots of noise
        {may be} harder to digest
        harder to create
        a little more work--you have to have an account you can read news from

I'm sure others can contribute to this list or put a different spin on the
items I've listed (like the majority of humans--I'm biased). I think the
primary rationale for making the change is that System 7.5
will--theoretically--put AppleScript on more Macs. By converting the list to a
newsgroup now, we increase the ease that people can find scripting
information. And as the number of postings increase, we ease the burden on our
mailboxes.

Unfortunately, there is the potential for more irrelevant postings, more
flammage, and more religious wars (oops, we're experiencing some of that right
now, aren't we?). Some people have told me they think the quality of help will
decrease; I'm not sure I believe that. I only know that it'll be harder to
keep up with something that doesn't automatically land in my mailbox.

pf
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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 15:52:12 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      current poll count

In case you are interested, with less than 100 polls returned, this is the way
the polling stands.


Create a newsgroup?
  60 yes
  28 no
   4 don't care

Retain the mailing list with gateways?
  63 yes
  21 no
   6 don't care


I've had to toss out some of the "ballots" since they didn't have a clear-cut
yea or nay on both of the questions. If you haven't sent in a poll and you
plan to, please don't modify it. Just answer yes or no and then add a comment
if you like.

Thanks to everyone who has participated.

pf
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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 14:10:05 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: current poll count

Sorry, I don't have the poll form:

Create a newsgroup?
NO

Retain the mailing list with gateways?
[If we create a newsgroup?] Yes
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Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 18:41:49 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: creation of a MacScripting newsgroup -Reply

At 4:41 PM 8/19/94, Fred Terry wrote:

> By converting the list to a newsgroup now,

Why not have BOTH?

I just don't get it I guess.

--
6216 41st Avenue Hyattsville MD 20782 301/779-0756 <[e-mail]>
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 18:46:16 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Will Parker <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: creation of a MacScripting newsgroup

>
>
>Should I begin the process of creating a MacScripting newsgroup?
>
>__X_ Yes
>
>____ No
>
>
>Should the mailing list be maintained and messages gatewayed to the newsgroup
>and vice versa.
>
>__X_ Yes
>
>____ No

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     five-item, single level phone tree without becoming
     frustrated, you didn't need that computer anyway.
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=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 20:13:58 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jason Lachowsky <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re(2): AppleScript as a network software installer/updater system

I will reply to your message when I am back online.
Thanks!
-Jason Lachowsky
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 19 Aug 1994 20:43:30 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dan Wolfe <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Power Mac and Finder

Dan Wolfe writes:

> Scriptable Finder is available only in System 7.5 or greater OR from APDA.
> Finder Scripting Extension is STILL necessary in 7.5 for finder scripting.

accck!  In the clear light of day... make that starlight.... I realize that
I need to clarify this comment.

Finder Scripting Extension is included with System 7.5.  You do not need to
purchase it seperately. What I was trying to point out was that it hasn't
been rolled into the Finder - yet. :-)

(Yep that's right, we engineers dream a lot....)

- Dan

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=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 20 Aug 1994 00:55:37 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Eric W. Bates" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Controlling Control Panels

>Date:    Thu, 18 Aug 1994 17:35:46 -0800
>From:    Matt Stevens <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Controlling Control Panels
>
>Has anyone had any success in controlling either the network control panel
>and/or MacTCP?  Specifically, switching the connection method that's
>currently selected to another (ie. LocalTalk to EtherTalk, etc.).
>--
>matt
>
I haven't tried either of those cdevs, but I have used QuickKeys to run
quite a few cdevs including ARA.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[e-mail]                                            Eric W. Bates
                                                                    Box 55
                                                        Vineyard Haven, MA
"Holy Mush, Batman!"  -Robin, the Boy Wonder                    02568-0055
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 20 Aug 1994 00:25:08 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AETracker

>Fred:  I don't actually know that this thing couldn't go on gaea...it is
>Chris' shareware, and I forget whether an Apple copyright appears on it or
>not.  One could always ask Chris.

I know CK.  I think it's safe to say that he doesn't give a damn about
whether or not you put it on gaea.  ;)

As for watching all the events, The Script Editor in 1.1 provides an
AETracker for events that scripts send.  Type Command-E.

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 20 Aug 1994 00:25:11 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript sucking

I don't want to be part of a religious flame war, but I've never been one
to keep my mouth shut and I'd hate to miss out on one that was happening
without me.  ;)

Everyone probably knows my preference, but I think my favorite statement
about Frontier is that if you liked THINKTANK and MORE, you'll love
=46rontier.  While I recognize the power of all of these products, there's
something about outliners and tables and windows galore that turns me off.
I also like english syntax as in AppleScript and HyperTalk.  After 15 years
of programming and 10 years of email, I'm beginning to learn how to type,
so I'm not afraid of verbose programming.  I use big long names in my c++
code too.  I just don't like putting periods all through them.  Too much
like Unix.  ;)

I also think the Frontier folks have to give the Apple folks some credit.
They went out of their way to allow Frontier to interact.  Consider how the
two scripting systems can read and run each other's scripts.  While the
=46rontier folks were prompt in supporting the OSA scripting API, the
AppleScript folks did it almost exclusively to provide Frontier a way into
their scripting system.  It would have been easier to make AppleScript not
extensible this way.  Once they did they this though, I think everyone
realized that it was the right thing to do.  Remember, OSA is part of
AppleScript, so it provides a benefit for everyone, including Frontier
users.

OSA is also going to be part of OpenDoc.  It will be the method used to
control and describe parts.  That means object model.

"John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>At 13:24 8/19/94 -0500, David Boroditsky wrote:
>>Frontier has the ability to remove the source code from the tokenized code=
.
>>This can be quite useful if you are selling scripts, or don't want the
>>curious mucking about. I don't know if AppleScript can do this as well.
>
>Yes...AppleScript does provide this capability.  Actually, once an
>AppleScript script is compiled and the window is closed, the source is
>gone.  The script is decompiled later when the source is needed again.  But
>the underlying software provides a flag that says "don't allow decompiling
>to source", and the Script Editor provides a way of setting that flag when
>saving a script.

Actually, AppleScript removes the instructions on how to recreate the
script, making the script smaller and completely preventing access to the
original script.  You could probably still do some kind of disassembly, but
you wouldn't have variable names and comments.  You would have externally
scoped names though.  It's more than simply a switch.

This is one of the reasons that AppleScripts stored in Hypercard are
smaller than 30,000 characters, like their HyperTalk brethren.
AppleScripts store the code and the source.

I was actually thinking that this would be a good way to store data,
including that guy's password.  Use this script:

    property secretDataName : ""

and store it read only.  Then use this script to access it:

    set f to load script alias "Sylvester:Desktop Folder:foo"
    log f's foo
    set f's foo to "Bite me"
    log f's foo
    store script f in alias "Sylvester:Desktop Folder:foo" replacing yes

Now you can read and write the value.  Of course, this isn't encrypted.
Here's the scpt resource in ASCII:

=46asdUAS
1.101.10=0E=00=00=00=04=0F=9D=9D=9D=9C=00=01=00=02=01=9D=9D=00=00=01=9D=9C=
=00=00=0E=00=01=00=00=0F=10=00=02=00=03=9D=9B=00=03=00=04=01=9D=9B=00=00=10=
=00=03=00=01=9D=B8=0B=9D=B8=00=070=00=03foo=00=00=0C=00
=04=00
=00=07Bite me=00=02=00=00ascr=00=01=00=0C=99=DE=DE=82

As you can see, the property name and value are present for all to see.
I'm not positive, but I'm willing to bet that "Fasd" is the tag for a
script.  It's the same whether or not the script is read-only.  "UAS
1.101.10" is the AppleScript internal version data.  It's probably created
version & modified version.  Then there's some script data, the name of the
script and it's value.  Then there's the scripting component code and some
trailer bytes "=99=DE=DE=82".  In hex they look like $FADEDEAD.

OK, so that's more detail than needed, but hey, it's my fingers and purely
recycled electrons.

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 20 Aug 1994 08:05:32 CDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Peter Fleck - SMM <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: creation of a MacScripting newsgroup

> --Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> >
> >My last message was sent to just 399 participants (and the number seems to be
> >slowly declining :-O), but I think it would make sense to set up a newsgroup
> >anyway. I believe it should be called something like comp.sys.mac.scripting.
> >I furthermore believe that it should subsume the existing
> >comp.sys.mac.hypercard group, since there will be a lot of overlap in their
> >subject area.
>
-- Hades responds:
>     This was one of the reasons the csm.scripting group didn't get off
> the ground the first time. No one seemed to want to go to the
> csm.hypercard newsgroup and get their opinion on the move. We would not
> only have to convince them to change the name of their group, but to
> also allow for a more than doubling of the current traffic with
> non-hypercard related posts.

Don't look now but Allegiant (parent to SuperCard) is in the process of
forming c.s.m.supercard because they don't want to hang with the HC folks
in c.s.m.h any longer. Opinions in c.s.m.h vary on this; some of us (me
included) like reading everything in one place and so far, the SC posts
aren't overwhelming. (You do have to put up with folks answering HC questions
with "If you want to do that, just buy SuperCard.")

Merging HC, AS, SC and whatever into c.s.m.scripting would create a very
busy news group. Personally, I don't like the idea but I do see advantages
also.

But the HyperCarders wouldn't let you do it anyway  :-) .

I would like to see an AS news group and see this list maintained
separately.

Peter
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 20 Aug 1994 11:33:37 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Terry Thiel <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Second edition of Tao book
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

I thnk the new edition is Great!! I ordered two copies in fact.  I got mine
straight from hayden books.  They overnighted them whcih was much faster than
BMUG's ordering.  I wish they would do something about that.  You're supposed
to leave your visa number on a recording and wait weeks for the product
unless you pay $25 extra for rush shipping.
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 20 Aug 1994 14:16:08 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      osaxen database

I've pulled a copy of a small osaxen database from AOL. It isn't complete,
but does look like a good start. It's in FileMaker format. You'll find it
in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/addons/BBOsaxenDB.sit.hqx

Enjoy.

pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Fred Terry  Cadence Design Systems  [e-mail]  [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 20 Aug 1994 13:50:08 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Ray <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MacPGP scripts

>Hi all,
>        I've just finished my addition to the MacPGP <-> Eudora universe,
>and would like to find some hardy souls to try and break it!
>        I have a MacPGP.lib (24K) and an Encrypt the out basket script
>(8K), Decrypt the in basket is not yet finished and not availible : (.


I have already written some PGP <--> Eudora scripts that I have been using
myself. I'd be interested in trying out your scripts and possibly sharing
mine.

-Dave

 -----------------------------------------------------------------------
 David Ray                Dream Designs          Music Composition
 [e-mail]         PO Box 5631            Interactive Multimedia
 510-527-9010             Berkeley CA 94705      Virtual Worlds
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 20 Aug 1994 13:59:27 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Alldritt <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Wanted: CTB osax

I seriously considered adding a series of CTB commands along the lines of
the File IO commands to Script Tools 1.4.  I finally decided not to because
of the existance of programs like SITcomm and others which provide
scriptable access to the CTB through an application.

However, I can see that OSAX support for the CTB has some advantages.  Your
script can perform communications with a smaller memory footprint, and you
can better conceal the communications from the user.  Also, for highly
controlled communications, there may be a performance improvement (no
context switches, etc.).

Its certainly feasible, the TCP OSAX has proven that.

Maybe in Script Tools 1.5  ;-)

-Mark
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 20 Aug 1994 14:22:48 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Ray <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Wanted: CTB osax

Here is my 'wish list' if anyone is going to write such as OSAX:

- Should have capability of "wait for string" and "send string", like ZTerm
and Microphone.

- Should have capability of putting received data into a variable, like the
TCP/IP OSAX can do. This allows you to write if/then statements about what
to do depending on the data sent.

-Dave

 -----------------------------------------------------------------------
 David Ray                Dream Designs          Music Composition
 [e-mail]         PO Box 5631            Interactive Multimedia
 510-527-9010             Berkeley CA 94705      Virtual Worlds
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 20 Aug 1994 21:54:06 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Erik Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Way to have background only script?

I want to have a script application to be "faceless" i.e. not show up in
the application menu.  Is there a way to do this.   How about a way for the
script itself to do it using the scriptable Finder ?

-Erik
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 21 Aug 1994 10:56:03 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Wagner Luiz Truppel <[e-mail]>
Subject:      [Q] How to upload a contribution to gaea

Hi all,

can I simply send a message to this address, containing the binhex code of
the submission, or do I have to connect to gaea and manually upload it to
the incoming folder?

Thanks !


Wagner Luiz Truppel
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 21 Aug 1994 10:56:17 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Wagner Luiz Truppel <[e-mail]>

Hi all,

is it possible to test for a key being held down at launching time of a AS
applet or droplet? I mean something like the HyperCard snippet

if optionKey() is down then ...

Thanks !


Wagner Luiz Truppel
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 21 Aug 1994 11:21:59 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Robin B. Lake" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 19 Aug 1994 to 20 Aug 1994

Re:Scripting vs. Shell

Although I was an early purchaser of Frontier and followed AppleScript
as a very neat computer operating system concept, I never one got through
the fuzzy, complex and (to me) arcane overburden on either Frontier or
AppleScript.

Yesterday I installed MachTen.  A full BSD4.3 UNIX application that runs
as an application on my System 7 Mac.  Unlike A/UX (which I also have), it
does NOT require re-booting the system.

Why the enthusiasm?  (1) The entire Mac file system appears as the MachTen
file system;  (2)  I have the full power of the shell and C-shell to
manipulate the Mac files;  (3)  I have the neat Unix utilities to modify
the Mac files, such as grep, perl, awk, tr, etc.

For example, it is SO much easier (for me) to enter a single line:
$grep Creole *.eats

than it is to script something in Frontier or AppleScript.  AND you get
real pipes for concatenating the actions of several tools:
$grep Creole *.eats |head

As a Unix grey-beard, I'm quite excited about this new (to me) application
environment!  No commercial, but [e-mail] got me into this  :=}}}

Rob Lake
Environmental Modeling Inc.
[e-mail]
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Date:         Sun, 21 Aug 1994 16:21:12 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Neil Christie <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Alternative Script Editor needed, do script, maximum length

Hi,

The AppleScript project I'm working on at the moment has just run into a
serious problem, it's reached the maximum length of the Script Editor. As I
need to add more to it and can't remove any of the script I need an
alternative Script Editor. At present I'm running Apple's Script Editor
v1.1 along with AppleScript v1.1. I can't really afford anything commercial
as I'm only 15 and have to pay for my Internet access. Therefore
ScriptWizard is no use. I therfore need a p.d, freeware, shareware or
anything else ware Script Editor. That is unless the next version of
Apple's Script Editor will support longer scripts.

At present the script is 29935 bytes of text, 135162 bytes of styled text,
667 lines and 4927 words according to OtherMenu. The Description is pretty
short, 5 or so lines.

Failing that what's the easiest way to continue with my present Script
Editor. I expect it's along the lines of Jon's Commands (I think) do script
or something similar. I don't really want to have to deal with allowing the
other mini-scripts access to each others variables. Has anyone got any
examples or suggestions.

Finally does anyone have any email addresesses (how do you spell that?) at
Apple for suggestions, comments etc?

Thanks in advance, Neil.

P.S
I've rolled these questions into one message to save mailbox space and
reduce costs for those on a pay per message email system.

Neil Christie       |Voice/Fax: [phone]
14 West Castle Road |E-Mail:    [e-mail]
Edinburgh           |-------------------------------------
EH10 5AU            |Apple Macintosh Centris 660AV 8/230 CD.
Scotland            |System 7.1, running PPP on a 14.4K modem
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 21 Aug 1994 09:29:24 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Michel <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Alternative Script Editor needed, do script, maximum length

>Hi,

Hi.

> I therfore need a p.d, freeware, shareware or
>anything else ware Script Editor. That is unless the next version of
>Apple's Script Editor will support longer scripts.

I don't think there are any freeware/shareware/pd script editors that will
solve your problem.

>Failing that what's the easiest way to continue with my present Script
>Editor.

The best way to handle this is to copy some related handlers, and save them
in a separate script. Use the Load Script Addition to load them into your
main script, and Tell statements to call handlers in the loaded script.
This way, each of your scripts can approach the maximum length. The benefit
of doing this, when its done right, is that it makes code easier to reuse:
you can have libraries of routines that can be loaded & used by separate
scripts. Its easier than reinventing the wheel each time, or copying &
pasting routines from script to script. Load Script is documented on page
226 of the AppleScript Script Language Guide.
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 21 Aug 1994 17:39:06 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Paul G Smith <[e-mail]>
Organization: commstalk, & Full Moon Software Inc
Subject:      Re: Alternative Script Editor needed, do script, maximum length

In Regards to your letter <[e-mail]>:
> Hi,
>
> The AppleScript project I'm working on at the moment has just run into a
> serious problem, it's reached the maximum length of the Script Editor. As I
> need to add more to it and can't remove any of the script I need an
> alternative Script Editor. At present I'm running Apple's Script Editor
> v1.1 along with AppleScript v1.1. I can't really afford anything commercial
> as I'm only 15 and have to pay for my Internet access. Therefore
> ScriptWizard is no use. I therfore need a p.d, freeware, shareware or
> anything else ware Script Editor. That is unless the next version of
> Apple's Script Editor will support longer scripts.
>
> At present the script is 29935 bytes of text, 135162 bytes of styled text,
> 667 lines and 4927 words according to OtherMenu. The Description is pretty
> short, 5 or so lines.
>
> Failing that what's the easiest way to continue with my present Script
> Editor. I expect it's along the lines of Jon's Commands (I think) do script
> or something similar. I don't really want to have to deal with allowing the
> other mini-scripts access to each others variables. Has anyone got any
> examples or suggestions.

Even though ScriptWizard would help a bit, there may be a better way to
solve your problem that would also work with the Apple Script Editor.
It's best not to build gigantic monolithic scripts in AppleScript
(or any other scripting or programming language) - it's not good style.
Your script will be much easier to maintain and debug if you split
it into smaller modules:

Try breaking the script up into logically-organized modules containing
related handlers, each module in its own script file. The main body of the
script can then use the "load script" command to load these separately
saved script modules into variables in memory, and then you can send
messages to those script-object variables to execute the functions defined
in them. You'll have to reorganize your code a bit but you'll be better
off for it (for instance, globals can't be simply shared between handlers
in the script objects and the main script, although they can be referenced
if you need to; but you don't use too many globals, do you?)

A good example of this approach is the "finderlib" script library
that was distributed with AS 1.0; use the same approach and your script
can effectively be as large as you like.


best regards, Paul

+------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Paul G Smith, Full Moon Software        ||  UK ph: [phone]
| PO Box 116, ST ALBANS, Herts AL1 2RL UK ||    fax: [phone]
| & Full Moon Software, Inc               ||  US ph: 408 253 7199
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=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 21 Aug 1994 10:20:58 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: your mail
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Sun, 21 Aug 1994, Wagner Luiz Truppel wrote:

> is it possible to test for a key being held down at launching time of a AS
> applet or droplet? I mean something like the HyperCard snippet

The Jon'sCommands Scripting Addition (presumably available from gaea) has
a "keys pressed" command which returns a list of the keys being pressed.
It's excellent. I have one script for setting my volume, depending on
what number is pressed when I launch the script. I also have a script
which will either reveal the original of an alias (via normal
drag-and-drop) or will open the Get Info window of the original (if the
option key is held down on dragging-and-dropping).

Derrick
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 21 Aug 1994 10:25:27 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Second edition of Tao book
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Sat, 20 Aug 1994, Terry Thiel wrote:

> I thnk the new edition is Great!! I ordered two copies in fact.  I got mine

Thanks! It's nice to hear that.

> BMUG's ordering.  I wish they would do something about that.  You're supposed
> to leave your visa number on a recording and wait weeks for the product
> unless you pay $25 extra for rush shipping.

Ah, yes. The constant BMUG problem. Our shipping department (last time I
checked, it was only one or two part-time people) gets really swamped and
it does take them a while to get things out. In addition, it takes a
while for the order to filter its way through our office staff. They do
work hard to get things out quickly, but it's the old "overworked,
understaffed" problem.

Derrick
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 21 Aug 1994 13:23:59 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         anthony brown <[e-mail]>
Subject:      What is the gaea ftp site again?
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

What is the of the gaea ftp site, either with the pathname or the ip address?

I erased the message with the site name by accident

Anthony

-- The Dolphins will win the Super Bowl this season!

-- "If never I held you, my feelings would never show...
--  It's time I started walking but
--  Theres so much you'll never know!!"
--  Paul Stanley circa 1976
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 21 Aug 1994 20:10:14 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Christian Orellana <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Wanted: CTB osax

[e-mail] wrote:
>Here is my 'wish list' if anyone is going to write such as OSAX:
>
>- Should have capability of "wait for string" and "send string", like ZTerm
>and Microphone.
>
>- Should have capability of putting received data into a variable, like the
>TCP/IP OSAX can do. This allows you to write if/then statements about what
>to do depending on the data sent.
>

This would indeed be very nice, and is a thing that has annoyed me about
SITcomm, which allows you to "wait for text", but only if you know what to
wait for!

Best regards -
Christian A.Borlund Orellana
Institute of Physics and Astronomy Aarhus University.
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Date:         Sun, 21 Aug 1994 14:24:52 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Wanted: CTB osax

>[e-mail] wrote:
>>- Should have capability of putting received data into a variable, like the
>>TCP/IP OSAX can do. This allows you to write if/then statements about what
>>to do depending on the data sent.
>>
>
>This would indeed be very nice, and is a thing that has annoyed me about
>SITcomm, which allows you to "wait for text", but only if you know what to
>wait for!

You can use file capturing to get the text. Just turn it on before you send
the text, turn it off afte you get your match and then read the file in to
a variable so you can act on it.  I use this method in a Hypercard stack
that downloads stock quotes from BASICQUOTES on Compuserve and it works
quite well.

Steve Martin (Please don't ask, I'm not the actor.)
[e-mail]
WWW: http://www.metronet.com/1/HomePages/martin
     Upcoming letterboxed movie TV schedule and latest version of Dockernaut
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Date:         Sun, 21 Aug 1994 13:24:30 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Andy Cemelli [remote]" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: creation of a MacScripting newsgroup -Reply -Reply

If you have to actually go out and read the newsgroup, I wouldn't be
able to easily participate.

If you decide to make a newsgroup, then please be sure to keep the
mailing list as well and link to it...but my preference is to  _STAY
A MAILING LIST_...
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Date:         Sun, 21 Aug 1994 14:42:38 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Wanted: CTB osax

>- Should have capability of "wait for string" and "send string", like ZTerm
>and Microphone.
>
        This is pretty easy...


>- Should have capability of putting received data into a variable, like the
>TCP/IP OSAX can do. This allows you to write if/then statements about what
>to do depending on the data sent.
>
        This is not :(.  The reason is that unlike TCP/IP which is
packetized, serial port data is just that a "serial stream" of bytes.  How
often do you return the data?  Who does buffering?


Leonard

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Rosenthol                       Internet:       [e-mail]
Director of Advanced Technology         AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
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Date:         Mon, 22 Aug 1994 09:52:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: creation of a MacScripting newsgroup

Fred Terry <[e-mail]> writes:

>The simplest (perhaps, sanest?) way to do this--if we do
>it at all--is to create a new group. An probably one that does not have
>programming in it's name.

OK, I'm willing to bow to the views of those with a bit more knowledge about
this. I thought it would make for rationalization to combine the existing
HyperCard group into a scripting group, but obviously there's a certain
element of politicking about this (cf the proposal for a SuperCard group).

>And Lawrence, where did you get that 399 number? A rev macscrpt just show 779
>members (which is down from 780-something since the last time I checked). Or
>did I misunderstand?

Every time I send a message to this list, I get a response from the server
saying my message was successfully delivered, with a parenthetical note about
N participants/recipients. N started out around 434, and slowly dropped. The
last couple of messages it was 399.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 22 Aug 1994 09:53:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Any way to "compile" a s

"John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]> writes:

>Here's a working example:
>
>    run script "display dialog \"Here I am\""
>
>
>----------
>However, I have Run Script 1.1.1b1 (April 1994).  Someone else will have to
>remember where I got that update ;-)

My version of Run Script is 1.1, and the above example worked for me.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 22 Aug 1994 15:25:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scriptable Finder oddity

Here's a strange one. Our Quadra 950 server is running PowerShare and a bunch
of other things, including AppleScript and QuicKeys 3.0 so things can be
controlled remotely. I also put on the Finder Scripting Extension, thinking
I could use that to do a remote backup of the Users & Groups Data File, which
is locked against access from an AppleShare client. I just tried to send
the server's Finder a command to copy that file, and it doesn't work.

I'm logged on to the server as super-user. I can open the Preferences folder
of the Server Folder, and I can see all the files there, including the
Users & Groups Data File. Yet when I try the following script

    tell application "Finder" of machine "Vice"
        name of every file of folder "Preferences" of folder "Server Folder"
            of startup disk
    end tell

(assume a line-continuation at the appropriate place), it lists all the
files, *except* the Users & Groups Data File! I'm linked to the Finder as
super-user, in case that should make any difference.

The file isn't being skipped because it's in use, either: the PowerTalk Setup
Preferences file is in use and cannot be copied via AppleShare, yet it shows
up in the list OK. I also tried creating another file with a name beginning
with Z, just in case the bug happened to affect the last file in the list,
but that extra file shows up fine, while the Users & Groups Data File still
doesn't.

Interesting. By messing around with the type and creator of that extra file
I created, it appears the Finder is deliberately ignoring files with creator
"ugbt" (the file type doesn't seem to matter).

Any ideas as to why this is happening, anybody?

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 21 Aug 1994 22:07:54 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable Finder oddity

"Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Interesting. By messing around with the type and creator of that extra file
>I created, it appears the Finder is deliberately ignoring files with creator
>"ugbt" (the file type doesn't seem to matter).
>
>Any ideas as to why this is happening, anybody?

I'm betting it was viewed as a security risk.  I just tried on my machine
(7Pro with the Scriptable Finder) and couldn't get the U&G file either.
Turning sharing off didn't help either.  It looks like the Scriptable
Finder just doesn't want you to mess with that file.

Time for an osax!  ;)

Jon
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Date:         Sun, 21 Aug 1994 22:08:01 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Alternative Script Editor needed, do script, maximum length

Neil Christie <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>The AppleScript project I'm working on at the moment has just run into a
>serious problem, it's reached the maximum length of the Script Editor. As I
>need to add more to it and can't remove any of the script I need an
>alternative Script Editor. At present I'm running Apple's Script Editor
>v1.1 along with AppleScript v1.1. I can't really afford anything commercial
>as I'm only 15 and have to pay for my Internet access. Therefore
>ScriptWizard is no use. I therfore need a p.d, freeware, shareware or
>anything else ware Script Editor. That is unless the next version of
>Apple's Script Editor will support longer scripts.

I just submitted my ScriptServer application to Sumex and Fred.  It allows
you to use MPW to edit your scripts and then build them with ScriptServer.
MPW has no 30K limit.  It should be easy to write a BBEdit extension too.
You lose the styled text this way, but you gain the ability to use #include
files and/or the C preprocessor (we just use an MPW script which does the
#include since the preprocessor takes more time).  This allows you to make
libraries of scripts without the overhead of extra files and load/store
commands.

ScriptServer is shareware, so it's almost free.  ;)

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 22 Aug 1994 07:09:39 +0200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Ralph Flassig <[e-mail]>
Subject:      frontier, quark, object model

Greetings,

I just started scripting QuarkXPress with Frontier and I must have something
missing, because I do have problems with the object model. I did some AS
scripting before and all worked fine especially constructions like
tell default document 1
  set ....
But playing around with the example DocumentConstruction script delivered with
the QuarkXPress Frontier Suite I always get the error message "specified object
not found" when I try the with code like
with defaultdocument[1]
  oldHeight = get(pageHeight)
...
it works fine with
oldHeight = get(defaultdocument[1].pageHeight)

Sorry for this newbie question, but after but after all the debugging and
stepping around (I can be more explicit, if needed) I thought someone of
you must have seen similar problems

thanks in advance

ralph
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 22 Aug 1994 17:15:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable Finder oddity

Jon Pugh <[e-mail]> writes:

>"Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>Interesting. By messing around with the type and creator of that extra file
>>I created, it appears the Finder is deliberately ignoring files with creator
>>"ugbt" (the file type doesn't seem to matter).
>
>I'm betting it was viewed as a security risk.

I'm inclined to agree. However, unlike another security hack the Finder does
(disallowing invocation of the shutdown and restart commands by programs
linking over the network), this one is a denial to _all_ users: even if you ask
your local Finder, it still won't let you see your own Users & Groups Data File!

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 21 Aug 1994 22:26:23 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kee Nethery [phone] <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable Finder oddity

>"Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> then Jon Pugh <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I'm betting it was viewed as a security risk.  I just tried on my machine
>(7Pro with the Scriptable Finder) and couldn't get the U&G file either.
>Turning sharing off didn't help either.  It looks like the Scriptable
>Finder just doesn't want you to mess with that file.
>
>Time for an osax!  ;)

Didn't the mighty Quinn (or was that Quinn the eskimo) write an osax that
is on gaea that reads and writes the users and groups file for AppleShare?
Will that osax handle this users and groups file?

Kee Nethery
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 22 Aug 1994 18:11:32 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Owen Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Text delimiters - why not working?

I am trying to parse out items from a text string. Unfortunately chars like
hash, star(*) etc seem to count as separate words even when you define the
delimiters:

set AppleScript's text item delimiters to { " ", tab}
set vt to "QUERYPERSNAME" & tab & "#WATSON"
set vz to second word of vt

produces vz equal to #.

Any suggestions?



_________________________________________________________________________
Owen Watson, The Royal Society of NZ, PO Box 598, Wellington, New Zealand
Internet [e-mail]  Ph: [phone] Fax: [phone]
The gateway to New Zealand science: http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 21 Aug 1994 23:29:34 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: frontier, quark, object model

>Greetings,
>
>I just started scripting QuarkXPress with Frontier and I must have something
>missing, because I do have problems with the object model. I did some AS
>scripting before and all worked fine especially constructions like
>tell default document 1
>  set ....
>But playing around with the example DocumentConstruction script delivered with
>the QuarkXPress Frontier Suite I always get the error message "specified object
>not found" when I try the with code like
>with defaultdocument[1]
>  oldHeight = get(pageHeight)
>...
>it works fine with
>oldHeight = get(defaultdocument[1].pageHeight)
>
>Sorry for this newbie question, but after but after all the debugging and
>stepping around (I can be more explicit, if needed) I thought someone of
>you must have seen similar problems

I'm assuming that "outside" the
   with defaultDocument [1]
you have a with objectModel, qxp.defs

If you happen to be using Frontier 3.0.2, your problem is explained by an
error which crept into that version.  It was a matter of not carrying
default objects into called scripts when it didn't make sense to do so.
Unfortunately, there are cases where it DOES make sense...your code is an
example.

If you are running Frontier 3.0.2, you can upgrade to 3.0.3 using the
upgrader found at

   ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu:frontier/FromUserland/upgrade303.sea.hqx

[If you happen to be running Frontier for PPC 3.0.2, send me email.]

You can probably force 3.0.2 to do the job you want by saying
with defaultdocument[1]
    oldHeight = get(objspec (pageHeight))


For other Frontier versions, I would need to see more of the script.

--John

--John W. Baxter    Port Ludlow, WA USA   [e-mail]
  UserLand Software support
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 21 Aug 1994 23:43:41 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Text delimiters - why not working?

>I am trying to parse out items from a text string. Unfortunately chars like
>hash, star(*) etc seem to count as separate words even when you define the
>delimiters:
>
>set AppleScript's text item delimiters to { " ", tab}
>set vt to "QUERYPERSNAME" & tab & "#WATSON"
>set vz to second word of vt
>
>produces vz equal to #.
>

Words are delimited as words, including the effect you see with #.  Text
items are delimited by the text item delimiters.  The two processes are not
related.

One might therefore think that this would do what you want:

set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {" ", tab}
set vt to "QUERYPERSNAME" & tab & "#WATSON"
set vz to second text item of vt


however, it won't.  What will work is this:

set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {tab}  -- A subtle change here
set vt to "QUERYPERSNAME" & tab & "#WATSON"
set vz to second text item of vt

----------
Notice that I slipped in a change to the first line of script.  This is
because of this comment in the AppleScript Language Guide English Dialect
currently in bookstores:

   "Currently, AppleScript only uses the first delimiter in the list" (page 159)

[Experiment verifies that version 1.1 behaves this way.]

So...setting AppleScript's text item delimiters to { " ", tab } is the same
as setting it to { "  " }

  --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 22 Aug 1994 08:41:46 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Paul G Smith <[e-mail]>
Organization: commstalk, & Full Moon Software Inc
Subject:      Re: Alternative Script Editor needed, do script, maximum length

In Regards to your letter <[e-mail]>:
>
> ScriptServer is shareware, so it's almost free.  ;)
>

But MPW isn't free or share-ware.  Or is it ?


best regards, Paul

+------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Paul G Smith, Full Moon Software        ||  UK ph: [phone]
| PO Box 116, ST ALBANS, Herts AL1 2RL UK ||    fax: [phone]
| & Full Moon Software, Inc               ||  US ph: 408 253 7199
| P O Box 700237, SAN JOSE, CA 95170 USA  ||    fax: [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 22 Aug 1994 08:39:45 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Schettino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Any way to "compile" a script - SOLVED!

A person on AOL pointed out that jons commands 1.2 has a "run script"
command that is incompatible with AS 1.1. Version 1.3 fixes that problem. I
removed the 1.2 osax and now everything works fine!

Thanks for your help!

- john

-----------------------------------------
[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
John Schettino                Waltham, MA
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 22 Aug 1994 09:42:47 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jeff Boulter <[e-mail]>
Subject:      The fastest way to insert text
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

I'm writing a scrip which I'm trying to optimize for speed. The slowest
part involves opening up a text file, finding a marker, inserting a line
of text, and closing the file. Following is my code to do this. Anyone
have some better ideas about how to make this faster?

Thanks,

Jeff

        position file indexRefNum at 0
        set indexfile to read indexRefNum until eof

        repeat with n from 1 to 10000 -- find the section marker
                set indexline to paragraph n of indexfile
                if indexline is ("this is the marker") then
                        set eof indexRefNum to 0 -- live dangerously and
wipe out the file
                        repeat with m from 1 to (n - 1) -- write up to
the section marker
                                write (paragraph m of indexfile & return)
to indexRefNum
                        end repeat
                        write entry to indexRefNum
                        repeat with m from n to 10000
                                try -- write the rest of the file
                                        write (paragraph m of indexfile &
return) to indexRefNum
                                on error
                                        exit repeat
                                end try
                        end repeat
                        exit repeat
                end if
        end repeat


--
Jeff Boulter    [e-mail]   http://www.bucknell.edu/bucknellian/jeff
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 22 Aug 1994 08:45:30 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Alternative Script Editor needed, do script, maximum length
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Sun, 21 Aug 94 22:08:01 PDT"

Jon sez.....

>I just submitted my ScriptServer application to Sumex and Fred.  It allows
>you to use MPW to edit your scripts and then build them with ScriptServer.
>MPW has no 30K limit.  It should be easy to write a BBEdit extension too.
>You lose the styled text this way, but you gain the ability to use #include
>files and/or the C preprocessor (we just use an MPW script which does the
>#include since the preprocessor takes more time).  This allows you to make
>libraries of scripts without the overhead of extra files and load/store
>commands.

You'll find ScriptServer in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/scriptableapps/ScriptServer1.0a3.hqx

Enjoy.

pf
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Date:         Mon, 22 Aug 1994 11:03:37 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: The fastest way to insert text

>The slowest part involves opening up a text file, finding a
>marker, inserting a line of text, and closing the file.
>Following is my code to do this. Anyonehave some better
>ideas about how to make this faster?
[script deleted]

Rather than loop through the file, use the Offset scripting addition to find
the offset of the beginning character count of your marker.

Danny Goodman
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 22 Aug 1994 11:30:53 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Oscar Retterer <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AppleShare?

Is AppleShare scriptable, or is there a way to send AppleScripts to
AppleShare?







*********************************************************************
Oscar Retterer, Educational Development, Academic Technology Services
Franklin & Marshall College, Lancaster, PA 17604-3003
Phone: [phone] Fax:[phone] Internet:[e-mail]
*********************************************************************
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Date:         Mon, 22 Aug 1994 11:28:13 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Schettino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: The fastest way to insert text

>I'm writing a scrip which I'm trying to optimize for speed. The slowest
>part involves opening up a text file, finding a marker, inserting a line
>of text, and closing the file. Following is my code to do this. Anyone
>have some better ideas about how to make this faster?

The fastest way is to avoid many read/write/test things!
I bet this will really speed it up.

( you could generalize this into multiple replace, but that's an exercise
for the reader)

-- this uses Apple's open/read/write scripting additions

-- set entry to some value to write
set entry to "I'm new TEXT" & return

-- the marker we're looking for
set marker to "this is the marker" & return

-- open file (use your file name)
set indexRefNum to open for access file "System:Desktop Folder:test" with
write permission

-- read whole file
set indexfile to read indexRefNum

-- find offset in file of the marker
set markerLoc to offset of marker in indexfile

-- NOTE: offset will be 0 if not found
if markerLoc = 0 then
        if indexfile does not start with marker then -- bail out!
                display dialog "bail"
                close access indexRefNum
                return
        end if
end if

-- write new string to file at the correct position
write entry to indexRefNum starting at markerLoc

-- write out rest of file
write (text from character (markerLoc + (length of marker)) of indexfile to
character -1 of indexfile) to indexRefNum

-- bada-bing, bada-boom, bada-replaced!
close access indexRefNum

- john

-----------------------------------------
[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
John Schettino                Waltham, MA
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 22 Aug 1994 08:36:24 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Erik Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject:      What happend to "without warning" with copy?

The scriptable Finder has Copy as a replacement for the scripting addition
CopyFiles command, but there is no equivalent for "without warning".  The
move command has "replacing conflicts", but it doesn't work across volumes.
Any ideas?

-Erik
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 22 Aug 1994 08:54:45 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: What happend to "without warning" with copy?

At  8:36 8/22/94 -0800, Erik Smith wrote:
>The scriptable Finder has Copy as a replacement for the scripting addition
>CopyFiles command, but there is no equivalent for "without warning".  The
>move command has "replacing conflicts", but it doesn't work across volumes.
>Any ideas?

Oh, so that was the problem.  I was wondering why 'with replacing' wasn't
working for me.

I've basically made a subroutine to copy all folders from one folder to another:

on CopyRepFolderContents(SrcFolder, DestFolder)
        tell application "Finder"
                copy (get every folder of folder DestFolder) to TargFols
                copy (get every folder of folder SrcFolder) to SrcFols

                set TFT to {}
                repeat with X in TargFols
                        set TFT to TFT & (name of X)
                end repeat
                set SFT to {}
                repeat with X in SrcFols
                        set SFT to SFT & (name of X)
                end repeat

                repeat with Fol in TFT
                        if (SFT contains Fol) then
                                delete folder (Fol as text) of folder
                                (DestFolder as text)
                        end if
                end repeat
                empty the trash

                duplicate every folder of folder SrcFolder to folder
                DestFolder with replacing
        end tell
end CopyRepFolderContents

It's not elegant, but it works...

-roy
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Date:         Mon, 22 Aug 1994 10:51:46 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleShare?
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Mon, 22 Aug 94 11:30:53 CDT"

>Is AppleShare scriptable, or is there a way to send AppleScripts to
>AppleShare?

It isn't but you can do some Users and Groups manipulation with the Users and
Groups osax

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/osaxen/users-and-groups-osax-11b.hqx

At one point, AppleShare Admin (from the company that makes Radar; sorry,
don't remember their name) was supposed to be released in a scriptable
version. The current version understands Apple events, but they aren'd
documented.

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 22 Aug 1994 17:55:19 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Paul G Smith <[e-mail]>
Organization: commstalk, & Full Moon Software Inc
Subject:      AETE for AppleSearch

A colleague has a need for an aete resource so he can directly script
AppleSearch (which, although it doesn't support the AE Object Model,
does have a comprehensive Apple Event API). Before we dive in and
create one from scratch, has anyone already done the deed?


best regards, Paul

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=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 22 Aug 1994 12:53:35 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joe Scripter <[e-mail]>
Subject:      *PlainTalk & AppleScript*

Well, I just installed PlainTalk on my PowerMac.
When I ask it what time it is, the computer says:
"Error in script, can't set minutes to" and then whatever time it is.
The script is as follows:

set d to current date
set x to (time of d)
set hour to (x div 3600)
set x to (x - (hour * 3600))
set mins to (x div 60)
set secs to (x - (mins * 60))
if (hour = 0) then
set hourstr to "midnight "
else
if (hour > 12) then
set hour to (hour - 12)
end if
set hourstr to (hour as string) & " "
end if
if mins = 0 then
if hour = 0
set minsstr to " "
else
set minsstr to "o'clock "
end if
else
set minsstr to (mins as string) & " "
end if
if secs = 0 then
set secsstr to "exactly"
else if secs = 1 then
set secsstr to "and " & secs as string & " second"
else
set secsstr to "and " & secs as string & " seconds"
end if
acknowledge saying (hourstr & minsstr & secsstr) caption (time string of d)

Yup, it's Applescript.  Can anyone HELP?
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 22 Aug 1994 12:52:17 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joe Scripter <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Online&Shutdown

I would like my Mac to log on to AOL (& some other services, too), do a
flashsession, quit the application & shutdown the machine. Sounds like a
pretty common situation, but I have found no software that will do that. I've
given up on AOL adding a 'shutdown when finished' option on the flashsessions
screen. Currently I use QuicKeys to launch AOL five minutes before a
flashsession is scheduled, then to shutdown a half hour later. I often do
this after adding multiple files to the Download Manager, and am always
'adjusting' how long to wait before shutting down. (I usually go right to bed
after stacking up email & files to send/receive) I also want this to happen
once a day, to get my email, etc. and never know how long to set the shutdown
for.

My Mac powers up (& down) several hard drives, CD-ROM Drives, etc., as part
of the startup/shutdown process and so I am interested in shutting the whole
thing down when it is no longer needed. I can also set the system up to power
on at a predetermined time.

Is this something I can accomplish with AppleScript? Specifically, the Script
needs to recognize that the download process has finished, either by waiting
for the 'Goodbye from AOL' window to be put up (or some other event,
depending on the service I'm connecting to), or sensing that the modem is no
longer communicating. Ideally, I guess I would want it to run several program
in sequence, run the appropriate email/flashsesion-equivalent routine for
each program, and after the last program is finished, shutdown the system.
(whew!)

If anybody knows of other (easier to use) software that would accomplish
this, I would be grateful for a point in the right direction, also.

Thanks,
MJL
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 22 Aug 1994 12:54:55 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joe Scripter <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AppleScript Objects

===Question from someone=========


I'm trying to understand the extent to which AppleScript (AS) is truly
object-oriented, and would appreciate some information and/or guidance.

I've been reading about script objects in both Derek Schneider's The Tao of
AppleScript and Danny Goodman's The Complete AppleScript Handbook.  I'm also
familiar with (but admittedly not well-versed in) the Think Class Library
(TCL).  (I also do a lot of HyperTalk scripting.)

>From what I've learned, there seems to be some direct relationships between
the object-oriented programming (OOP) concepts in TCL and the
object-orientation of AS.  A "property" in AS corresponds to an object
"variable" in TCL; a "handler" in a script object in AS compares with an
object's "method" in TCL.  The "parent" property of an AS script object
defines a sub-class relationship between that script object and another, much
as a formatted "struct" declaration defines a sub-class relationship between
objects in (the C version of) the TCL.  AS provides for implicitly
"overriding" handlers by redefining them, while TCL includes the "override"
specification for the struct definition.

On the other hand, at least one important aspect of OOP seems to be missing
in AS.  In TCL, object "instances" are created when declared as variables of
that object type, so multiple objects can be created, each using that
object's type definition.  There doesn't seem to be any way to do this in AS.
 As I see it, the upshot is that in AS I must keep data structures separate
from script objects if I want to define multiple instances of a script
object.

I can deal with this, of course, but I wonder: am I missing something in AS
that would allow me (and perhaps others) to take a completely object-oriented
approach to AppleScript-ing?
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 22 Aug 1994 14:32:02 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript Objects

>I'm trying to understand the extent to which AppleScript (AS) is truly
>object-oriented, and would appreciate some information and/or guidance.
>
>I've been reading about script objects in both Derek Schneider's The Tao of
>AppleScript and Danny Goodman's The Complete AppleScript Handbook.

But not the AppleScript Language Guide? That has the best description.

[comparison of THINK C+- and AS deleted -- they're similar but not the same]

>On the other hand, at least one important aspect of OOP seems to be missing
>in AS.  In TCL, object "instances" are created when declared as variables of
>that object type, so multiple objects can be created, each using that
>object's type definition.  There doesn't seem to be any way to do this in AS.
> As I see it, the upshot is that in AS I must keep data structures separate
>from script objects if I want to define multiple instances of a script
>object.

No, this is not the case. In fact script objects are a good way of
partitioning data in your application.

To make multiple objects of the same type you need an object constructor
function. This is in the spirt of an exemplar based OOP language rather
than a class based one.

In exemplar object systems you one object (an "exemplar" or factory object)
and then clone it to make objects of the same type.

Message passing in these systems is generally done by delegation rather
than inheritence in which objects activly decide where to pass messages
they can't deal with. With this model a simple form of delegation gives you
identical functionality to inheritance (you always pass messsages you don't
understand to your parent). Delegation is more flexible, but can be
computationly more expensive.

Remember not all object systems are class based! Check out Dylan or CLOS,
or implementing objects in Scheme, or Object Logo or Self or ...

For (a trivial) example:

-- this function makes objects that keep track of how many times
-- they greet someone

on MakeGreeter()
        script aGreeter
                property HowManyTimes : 0

                set HowManyTimes to 0

                to sayHello to someone
                        set HowManyTimes to pHowManyTimes + 1
                        display dialog "Hello " & someone
                        return pHowManyTimes
                end sayHello
        end script

        return aGreeter
end MakeGreeter

set John to MakeGreeter()
set Fred to MakeGreeter()

tell John to sayHello to "Kevin"
tell Fred to sayHello to "Kevin"
tell John to sayHello to "Kevin"
get HowManyTimes of John


Kevin Purcell, N7WIM / G8UDP                    [e-mail]
Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organiser       [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 22 Aug 1994 16:54:41 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Greg Francis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Checking the status of the serial port

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I'm working on a script to connect to a FirstClass server using SITcomm.
SITcomm will tell me if IT is accessing the connection (serial port) but it
doesn't look like I can see if anything else is using the modem. Is there a
way to do this since we also use FirstClass Client and probably MacPPP? Other
programs may also access the modem.

Thanks,

Greg Francis

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Research and Development    | Educational Service District 101, Spokane WA
Technical Support Staff     | Bringing the best in K-12 distance education
[e-mail] | to remote schools across the United States.
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=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 22 Aug 1994 20:34:20 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         INRA000 <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Way to have background only script?
In-Reply-To:  In reply to your message of SAT 20 AUG 1994 09:54:06 EDT

>I want to have a script application to be "faceless" i.e. not show up in
>the application menu.  Is there a way to do this.   How about a way for the
>script itself to do it using the scriptable Finder ?

    Script Hider, winner of Runner-Up as Best Scripting Hack in the
Everyday AppleScript contest, does this. It's currently just a hack,
really, but sometime when I'm less tied up with other (More fiscally
interesting -- Script Hider is freeware) projects, I'll get around
to polishing it some more.

    Script Hider is available on Gaea.

    Cheers,

    Mark Aiken
    [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 22 Aug 1994 23:41:04 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joel Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FMPro Field listing?

How can I get a complete field list for any particular database. All I can
get at this point is a list of the fields on the active layout. Am I missing
something really obvious? This should be simple, but I've tried several
things and nothing so far. Is this a FileMaker Pro feature?

I can get the number of fields in a database, but I can only get a list of
field names for the current layout. I can only get names by number for those
fields on the layout (or so it seems). Any suggestions?  Something more
elegant than looping through all layouts would be good. Thanks

Joel Smith
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 22 Aug 1994 21:28:20 MST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         [e-mail]
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 21 Aug 1994 to 22 Aug 1994

Lawson D. English [e-mail]

-INSERT INFORMATIVE AND WITTY MESSAGE HERE-

West Campus Internet Class of 1994
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 22 Aug 1994 21:37:00 MST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         [e-mail]
Subject:      Attachability & Tinkerability...

Where can I find information about the above topics and how to implement them
in an application?

And...

When is comp.sys.mac.applescript coming?

Lawson D. English [e-mail]

-INSERT INFORMATIVE AND WITTY MESSAGE HERE-

West Campus Internet Class of 1994
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 23 Aug 1994 07:51:15 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Paul G Smith <[e-mail]>
Organization: commstalk, & Full Moon Software Inc
Subject:      Re: Attachability & Tinkerability...

In Regards to your letter <[e-mail]>:
>
> Where can I find information about the above topics and how to implement them
> in an application?
>

"Inside Macintosh:Interapplication Communication" gives some but not
all of the story. Check out issues #18 and #19 of Apple's "develop"
magazine for a couple of articles with sample code. Also, if you know
someone who has tapes of this year's WWDC, take a look at Lee Buck's
talk on the same subject (was on day 1 of the conference).


best regards, Paul

+------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Paul G Smith, Full Moon Software        ||  UK ph: [phone]
| PO Box 116, ST ALBANS, Herts AL1 2RL UK ||    fax: [phone]
| & Full Moon Software, Inc               ||  US ph: 408 253 7199
| P O Box 700237, SAN JOSE, CA 95170 USA  ||    fax: [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 23 Aug 1994 00:40:04 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Alternative Script Editor needed, do script, maximum length

Paul G Smith <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Jon Pugh <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> ScriptServer is shareware, so it's almost free.  ;)
>
>But MPW isn't free or share-ware.  Or is it ?

Actually, ScriptServer doesn't need MPW.  MPW just happens to be a capable
editor which I use.  You could actually write a script which pieces
together regular AppleScripts, written in the Script Editor, which does the
#include trick and then feeds the mess to ScriptServer.  You might be able
to use some of the SSCompile MPW script as a beginning, although there will
be some significant differences.  ;)  You could run the script from OSA
Menu in the Script Editor.  It would be a custom compile and/or run
command.  There are certain hurdles to be overcome, but that would solve
the lad's problem without any additional cost.

This sounds like a good idea too.  Perhaps I'll get around to it, although
I would prefer to improve someone else's first pass.  Consider it an
exercise for the readers.  ;)

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 23 Aug 1994 00:40:09 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Any way to "compile" a script - SOLVED!

John Schettino <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>A person on AOL pointed out that jons commands 1.2 has a "run script"
>command that is incompatible with AS 1.1. Version 1.3 fixes that problem. I
>removed the 1.2 osax and now everything works fine!

Nitpicking details:  Jon's Commands 1.2 has an FSSpec <-> String coercion
which revealed a bug in the Apple Run Script osax (written by a friend of
mine).  He acknowledges the bug as his fault.  In Jon's Commands 1.3 I
worked around his bug since I could rev mine before he could rev his Apple
endorsed osax.  Now we both work.  ;)

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 23 Aug 1994 00:40:11 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript Objects

Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
>
>>I'm trying to understand the extent to which AppleScript (AS) is truly
>>object-oriented, and would appreciate some information and/or guidance.

Kevin does an awesome job of explaining this and provides an excellent
example (except for the typos ;).  However, he missed one thing in his
example, and that is the inheritence.

A more complete example follows.  An important thing to note is that
Kevin's makeNewGreeter function can be replaced with a reference to a
script object and then the subclasses will have the same parent.  This
makes the scope of newGreeter quite important.

Jon


-- these objects keep track of how many times they greet someone

on makeNewGreeter()
        script newGreeter
                property HowManyTimes : 0

                set HowManyTimes to 0

                to sayHello to someone
                        set HowManyTimes to HowManyTimes + 1
                        display dialog "Hello " & someone
                        return HowManyTimes
                end sayHello
        end script

        return newGreeter
end makeNewGreeter

script DrGreeter
        property parent : makeNewGreeter()

        to sayHello to someone
                continue sayHello to ("Dr. " & someone)
        end sayHello
end script

script ButtFaceGreeter
        property parent : makeNewGreeter()

        to sayHello to someone
                continue sayHello to ("ButtFace " & someone)
        end sayHello
end script

set John to DrGreeter
set Fred to ButtFaceGreeter

tell John to sayHello to "Kevin"
tell Fred to sayHello to "Kevin"
tell John to sayHello to "Kevin"
get HowManyTimes of John
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 23 Aug 1994 01:28:43 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Angel M. Mayorga" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Automatic Reply from EMS

Folks,

I am on vacation until Tuesday, September 6th.  For anything needing
immediate attention, please phone Nona Kuhlman, 723-2935, or leave
her e-mail at AS.NON@FORSYTHE.

Angel
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 23 Aug 1994 07:48:59 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Any way to "compile" a script - SOLVED!

>Jon Pugh wrote:
>Nitpicking details:  Jon's Commands 1.2 has an FSSpec <-> String coercion
>which revealed a bug in the Apple Run Script osax (written by a friend of
>mine).  He acknowledges the bug as his fault.  In Jon's Commands 1.3 I
>worked around his bug since I could rev mine before he could rev his Apple
>endorsed osax.  Now we both work.  ;)

Er...I think Jon means Jon's Commands 1.1.2 (vice 1.2) with a coercion
which caused problems in Apple's Run Script, and versions 1.1.3 (vice 1.3)
with the work around.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
When was the last time you checked out the ceiling tiles in a building you
were in?
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 23 Aug 1994 11:19:08 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Online&Shutdown

>I would like my Mac to log on to AOL (& some other services, too), do a
>flashsession, quit the application & shutdown the machine.

None of the AOL software versions I have is scriptable.  Perhaps the new 2.5
is, but I haven't downloaded it yet.  My prediction, however, is that it is
not scriptable either.

Danny Goodman
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 23 Aug 1994 12:34:00 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Richman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Script AOL? (Was-Re: Online&Shutdown)

>None of the AOL software versions I have is scriptable.  Perhaps the new 2.5
>is, but I haven't downloaded it yet.  My prediction, however, is that it is
>not scriptable either.

For what it's worth I checked the beta 2.5 AOL software I have, and it is
not scriptable.

------------
>>I would like my Mac to log on to AOL (& some other services, too), do a
>>flashsession, quit the application & shutdown the machine.
>

However, some Macs are able to use a control panel called Auto Power
On/Off. It allows you to specify days and time for the Mac to TURN ITSELF
on and off. It's actually really cool to see your Mac turn itself on!

Anyhow, the Mac I know can use it are the IIsi, the Q800, 840av, 7100 and
8100 and the new Quadra/LC 630. There may be others but I'm not sure. I
think any newer Mac that has keyboard power on/off should work. The fact
that the IIsi works is a bit of a fluke I think.

Mark Richman
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 23 Aug 1994 12:36:41 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Nathaniel Comfort at Cold Spring Harbor Lab <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Sybase OSAX?

I have a FileMaker Pro database on my computer and access to a large Sybase
(SQL) contact db on our Sun network. FMPro says to make SQL queries to a
Unix db like Oracle or Sybase you need to buy a third-party program such as
GQL. But Sybase used to support a thing called "dblib" that was a set of
XFCNs so you could write Hypercard stacks that would make SQL queries. They
apparently believe Hypercard is obsolete and are now supporting the
"Programmer's Workbench." But this Hypercard stuff got me thinking...

Has anyone seen/written an OSAX that allows SQL queries? Or, not quite as
elegantly, is there any way to use the Hypercard XFCN directly in an
AppleScript? My current kludge is to send a script from FMPro telling
Hypercard to get the data and put it in the appropriate fields. I'm a bit
in the dark about all this, so I'd appreciate a greater than the usual
(pretty high) level of clarity from anyone who might nibble on it.

Thanks,
Nathaniel


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        |___ /    Science Writer
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=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 23 Aug 1994 12:39:34 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Schettino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Online&Shutdown

>>I would like my Mac to log on to AOL (& some other services, too), do a
>>flashsession, quit the application & shutdown the machine.
>
>None of the AOL software versions I have is scriptable.  Perhaps the new 2.5
>is, but I haven't downloaded it yet.  My prediction, however, is that it is
>not scriptable either.
>
>Danny Goodman

Nope" Version 2.5f5 beta, not scriptable. You can use something like
quickkeys or KeyQuencer (shareware). Here's some of the KQ readme file
[note: I've not yet used it, but it looks interesting!]

KeyQuencer introduction and installation notes

* SHAREWARE - $10 CASH - See details in the control panel's online
documentation.

* KeyQuencer is a powerful and solid macro engine designed to use very
little memory; it can perform complex tasks that are invoked by a single
keystroke. KeyQuencer uses a very simple scripting approach and can be
extended through external extensions, which are the basic building blocks
that make up a full macro.

* The bundled extensions provide lots of power and functionality: they can
type some text for you, capture a screen image, open a file or a folder,
execute a menu command, choose an item from a pop up menu, type a key
combination, click on a button or anywhere else, change the number of
colors on your screen, dial a phone number, change the speaker's volume,
switch to another application, move the front window to a convenient place,
show the current time and date, quit one or more applications, manage
multiple clipboards in any application, change the clipboard's contents,
toggle the balloon help, display a message, play a sound, redraw a window
or the whole screen, put a PowerBook to sleep, find the coordinates of a
screen location, invoke the low-level debugger and much more.

- john

-----------------------------------------
[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
John Schettino                Waltham, MA
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 23 Aug 1994 09:44:40 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript Objects
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Mon, 22 Aug 1994, Joe Scripter wrote:

> >From what I've learned, there seems to be some direct relationships between
> the object-oriented programming (OOP) concepts in TCL and the
> object-orientation of AS.  A "property" in AS corresponds to an object
> "variable" in TCL; a "handler" in a script object in AS compares with an
> object's "method" in TCL.  The "parent" property of an AS script object
> defines a sub-class relationship between that script object and another, much
> as a formatted "struct" declaration defines a sub-class relationship between
> objects in (the C version of) the TCL.  AS provides for implicitly
> "overriding" handlers by redefining them, while TCL includes the "override"
> specification for the struct definition.
>
> On the other hand, at least one important aspect of OOP seems to be missing
> in AS.  In TCL, object "instances" are created when declared as variables of
> that object type, so multiple objects can be created, each using that
> object's type definition.  There doesn't seem to be any way to do this in AS.
>  As I see it, the upshot is that in AS I must keep data structures separate
> from script objects if I want to define multiple instances of a script
> object.

Actually, I've sort of been playing with that idea recently. Here's how I
see it. You can create a script file which contains the object
definition, as described in the two books. To make your instance, you
would then do something like this:

set instance1 to (load script <the file>)
set instance2 to (load script <the file>)

Where <the file> is the path to the file containing the script. Then each
of the two variables will be a separate instance of that script object.
I've only begun playing with this, so I'm not 100% sure that that will
work. I guess it depends on how AS does this kind of thing.

BTW, I believe you can have a minimal child-parent relationship. I seem
to remember something about a parent property of a script object. I think
you give it the name of another script object, and the new object
inherits everything from it. You can then add, and possibly override your
own methods.

Anyway, hope that helps.
Derrick
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 23 Aug 1994 12:45:55 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kim-son Tran <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FMPro Field listing?

Joel Smith wrote:

>How can I get a complete field list for any particular database. All I can
>get at this point is a list of the fields on the active layout. Am I missing
>something really obvious? This should be simple, but I've tried several
>things and nothing so far. Is this a FileMaker Pro feature?

In FMPro, name is a property of field(s) which is in turn an element of layout,
therefore, try this:

tell application "FileMaker Pro"
    Open alias "Macintosh HD:My Database File"
    tell Database "My Database File"
        set fieldList to Name of every Field of every Layout
    end tell
end tell

fieldList
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 23 Aug 1994 09:57:22 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript Objects
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

Maybe I should play with AS objects some more...

Derrick
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 23 Aug 1994 12:18:21 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Frank Concannon <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Script AOL? (Was-Re: Online&Shutdown)

>>None of the AOL software versions I have is scriptable.  Perhaps the new 2.5
>>is, but I haven't downloaded it yet.  My prediction, however, is that it is
>>not scriptable either.
>
>For what it's worth I checked the beta 2.5 AOL software I have, and it is
>not scriptable.
>
>------------
>>>I would like my Mac to log on to AOL (& some other services, too), do a
>>>flashsession, quit the application & shutdown the machine.
>>
>
>However, some Macs are able to use a control panel called Auto Power
>On/Off. It allows you to specify days and time for the Mac to TURN ITSELF
>on and off. It's actually really cool to see your Mac turn itself on!
>
>Anyhow, the Mac I know can use it are the IIsi, the Q800, 840av, 7100 and
>8100 and the new Quadra/LC 630. There may be others but I'm not sure. I
>think any newer Mac that has keyboard power on/off should work. The fact
>that the IIsi works is a bit of a fluke I think.
>
>Mark Richman

Hi guys

I can't speak for AOL but as for timed shutdowns etc you should give "Cron"
a test drive. (Information at the end of this post.) This could arguably be
the best addon for the Mac I have ever located :-)

Amongst other things (auto powerdowns/restarts included) I use it to
autolaunch script that have been saved as apps. With it I have been able to
accomplish all manner of wonderful things.

If you need further Info e-mail for a chat!

Frank C.
R&E

Oh and the "AutoPower On/Off" CP works with Quadra 900 as well.



"
**************************************************
Cron
version 1.0d16
by Chris W. Johnson <[e-mail]>

Chris W. Johnson
4505-B Avenue H
Austin, TX  78751

FINDING THE LATEST VERSION
**************************************************

You can find the latest version through the web page whose URL is listed
above, or you can just do an anonymous FTP to emx.cc.utexas.edu and look
in the pub/gatekeeper directory (yes, I'm the same guy who wrote the
Gatekeeper anti-virus system).
"
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Date:         Tue, 23 Aug 1994 14:31:22 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Scott Andersen <[e-mail]>
Organization: Productivity OnLine   513-333-3111
Subject:      Re: AppleShare?

That program, from Sonic Systems is Server Sentry.  I have scripted to it
with Frontier, but have failed so far with Applescript, (only that Frontier
drives Quickeys and then Server Sentry.)


Scott
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 23 Aug 1994 11:42:13 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Erik Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Here is a nested folder maker

As part of my goal of using AppleScript as a software installer, I have
created this script which can be used to create a folder tree from a path
string.  Just having make is not enough if you don't know if the parent
folders exist.  I found it easiest to use recursion. If you know of a
better way to do this, please let me know.

Here it is:

on fmake(path)
        -- takes a path string and creates folders
        -- all along the path as necessary
        -- syntax: fmake("pathstring") of me
 -- Example fmake("Speedy:one:two:three")

        set textItemDelimiters to AppleScript's text item delimiters
        set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {":"}
        set rvalue to fmake2(path) of me
        set AppleScript's text item delimiters to textItemDelimiters
        return rvalue
end fmake


on fmake2(path)
        -- recursive function which starts of the end of the
        --path and works backwards until an existing path is found
        tell application "Finder"
                if path = "" then
                        return false
                else
                        if exists container path then
                                return true
                        else
                                set path2 to text from text item 1 to text item
-2 of path
                                if fmake2(path2) of me then
                                        make new folder at container path2 with
properties {name:last text
item of path}
                                        return true
                                else
                                        return false
                                end if
                        end if
                end if
        end tell
end fmake2




______________________________________________________________________
Erik Smith                   | [e-mail]  Internet
Computing Services Director  | [phone]    office
                             | [phone]    fax
______________________________________________________________________
Graduate School of International Relations and Pacific Studies (IR/PS)
University of California, San Diego (UCSD)
______________________________________________________________________
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 23 Aug 1994 13:38:07 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript Objects

>Maybe I should play with AS objects some more...
>
>Derrick

You should -- they're the most fun things in AS.

Shame they didn't include elements. You'd be able to build full grown
scriptable apps in AS.

Maybe in AS 2.0

Have fun!

Kevin Purcell, N7WIM / G8UDP                    [e-mail]
Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organiser       [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 23 Aug 1994 15:39:09 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tom Cloney <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: text processing engines

>I want to do some serious text processing--namely, scripts to do reference
>threaded digestification of mailing list mail.  I'm considering BBEdit as
>the engine, but I wondered if anyone had other suggestions?

Check out Tcl (Tool Control Language, pronounced "tickle"), a very powerful
environment for string and text manipulation that includes a regular
expression parser (sort of grep with knobs on). It's essentially a 4GL
optimized for string processing and found on UNIX and IBM systems, as well
as Mac. Judging purely from USENET traffic, Tcl is currently the most
popular string processing environment. You can do a lot besides string
processing with it, too, and it's extensible in 3GLs like C.

A Tcl engine is available embedded in Pete Keleher's excellent Alpha text
processor (a bit like BBEdit, but with the considerable advantage of Tcl).
Version 5.85 should now be at cs.rice.edu under public/Alpha. In addition
to straight Tcl processing, you can put up decision and list dialogs and
many other things. The integrated text editor makes for a great development
environment. Support for Alpha has been excellent for several years --
better than most commercial applications.

Tim Endre's Tcl engine (which I believe is the one at the core of Alpha) is
also embedded in the applications Tickle (currently, we've got Tickle
5.0v1) and Transit, which can produce droplets. Check out the
pub/vendor/ice directory on ftp.msen.com.

All three of these applications are AppleScriptable to some extent (at
least to the extent of being able to be told what Tcl script to execute, or
to generate AppleEvents themselves). We've found that AppleScript,
QuicKeys, and the Tcl apps provide a very powerful "glue" system for
working with text.

An example of a parsing application similar to your proposed mail system is
the image processing part of our database publishing system. We use Tcl, in
the form of the Alpha editor, to analyse EPS image files -- extracting
information about file image dimensions, pixel depth, date, and so on from
the PostScript, doing a bit of figuring, and appending the results as a
tab-delimited record for import to ORACLE or 4thDimension. It's quite
similar to processing mail headers.

Another scriptable text parser is MacPerl, which embeds the Perl parser
popular on UNIX systems. O'Reilly & Associates has several books on Perl.
We're using version 4.1.2. There should be a copy floating around in the
/software/mac directory on nic.switch.ch.

You might also consider the new (and controversial) object-oriented string
processing language Python. Check out comp.lang.python and the ftp site
ftp.cwi.nl.

The Icon language is reputed to be good for string processing. I haven't
used it in years, so my memory isn't very good about it. A Mac version is
ftp-able somewhere.

If your application leans more toward complex decision making, rather than
straightforward parsing, you might consider one of the Scheme variants,
such as Gambit Scheme. This gives you the advantage of programming in a
high-level language (essentially a Lisp variant) -- and you could apply
typical AI algorithms.  I don't know if the latest versions support
AppleEvents. You could also use the full-bore CLOS, but that's a lot of
overhead for a simple parser.

An (expensive) option would be Prograph CPX, a high-level visual
object-oriented development environment. The built-in string processing
stuff isn't very robust, but it's extensible in either Prograph or a 3GL
like C, and the debugging facilities are beyond compare. It has an
interpreter and a compiler that can generate stand-alone double-clickable
apps. It can send and receive AppleEvents. Windows and UNIX versions are
planned. It'll set you back around $1500, sigh.

Finally, you might snoop around for regular expression processing modules
for Think C, CodeWarrior, or MPW C. The programming environment is
considerably lower-level than any of the options above, but performance
would be very good. MPW has some parsing features of its own. You could
probably arrange to use Tim Endre's Tcl engine in your own application.

The idea in pretty much all of these cases is to use somebody else's
regular expression parser, rather than re-inventing grep/awk etc.

-- Tom

-------------------------------
Tom Cloney
Viadoc
[e-mail]  [e-mail] [phone]  Fax: [phone]

You'll have to have it all pulled out after the Savoy Truffle.
================
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 23 Aug 1994 14:41:12 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Peter Speck <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Hwo to: find container

I'm sissing documentation, so please help me.

If I do:
  set myRef to a reference to character 1 of word 1 of window 1
then I get
  character 1 of word 1 of window 1 of application "ScriptAble..."

I would like to back up, that is, get the container of this character, so I
have just:
  word 1 of window 1 of application "ScriptAble..."

What is the expression for this?


I have a system where (generic) objects can be container in other objects
(of the same type). It is somewhat MUD like.
What is the expression for moving an object into another object,
e.g. move physobject "Pretender" into physobject "The hall"????

I can get this to work with the PowerPlant framework.

---
Peter Speck
                             (And it was eleven o'clock
                              which was time for a little something)
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 23 Aug 1994 17:35:58 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Abner Dumoff <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: What is the gaea ftp site again?
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Sun, 21 Aug 1994, anthony brown wrote:

> What is the of the gaea ftp site, either with the pathname or the ip address?
>
> I erased the message with the site name by accident
>
> Anthony
>

gaea.kgs.ukans.edu

-AbbyD
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 23 Aug 1994 22:45:17 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Chris Esther <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Sybase OSAX?

>Has anyone seen/written an OSAX that allows SQL queries? Or, not quite as
>elegantly, is there any way to use the Hypercard XFCN directly in an
>AppleScript? My current kludge is to send a script from FMPro telling
>Hypercard to get the data and put it in the appropriate fields.

There's a couple of products that fit the bill, DataScript -
which is a AppleScript bridge application for retrieving data
from SQL based database systems. $249 for the Sybase version available from
APDA [phone] or direct from the publishers General Knowledge in the
 UK on [phone].

The Database Scripting Kit is an OSAX, available from Graphical
Business Interfaces  [phone], AppleLink  D2193 who have some
interesting sounding
AOCE/Database products on the horizon. It, like DataScript, supports a
number of DBMS -
but I'm not sure whether it supports Sybase directly. DataScript sells on a
system basis whilst I think GBI have just decided to sell the Database
Scripting Kit as one product that will support all systems.

Don't have any real experience of either and don't have current pricing
for the OSAX solution, but hope this helps.


Chris Esther
Release Commuinications
London, UK
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 23 Aug 1994 15:18:11 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Attachability & Tinkerability...

>In Regards to your letter <[e-mail]>:
>>
>> Where can I find information about the above topics and how to implement them
>> in an application?
>>
>
>"Inside Macintosh:Interapplication Communication" gives some but not
>all of the story. Check out issues #18 and #19 of Apple's "develop"
>magazine for a couple of articles with sample code. Also, if you know
>someone who has tapes of this year's WWDC, take a look at Lee Buck's
>talk on the same subject (was on day 1 of the conference).
>
>
>best regards, Paul

Paul's article (he was pretty cunning about not mentioning that!) in
Develop 18 is pretty good. I haven't seen the article in issue 19 (is
Develop 19 out yet?).

Regarding the WWDC talk. I checked my notes: wasn't this talk on Tuesday,
May 17th: AppleScript Current and Futures.

Generally you move into the twilight zone when you attempt this cool stuff.

It seem that not even Apple has tried this stuff. I'm sure that fame and
fortune awaits the people who do this right. Or it may go over everyones
head,

My bet is that people doing "vertical market" apps (that have to be a
little customizable) have the best chances of making tinkerable apps that
will work in a real environment. You need a target application that needs
to be mallable (so you would want to change it) but which requires being
coded as an app (rather than a script or a stack or whatever). If anyone
has any ideas what these apps might be I'd like to hear about them. I think
multimedia and games may fall into this category ...

Kevin Purcell, N7WIM / G8UDP                    [e-mail]
Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organiser       [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 23 Aug 1994 15:37:03 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Script AOL? (Was-Re: Online&Shutdown)

>I can't speak for AOL but as for timed shutdowns etc you should give "Cron"
>a test drive. (Information at the end of this post.) This could arguably be
>the best addon for the Mac I have ever located :-)
>
        I also just found a similar program called Chronograph up on AOL
last night.  It offers similar features to Cron, though is a bit more
updated.  I will try to send it off to gaea later.


Leonard

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Rosenthol                       Internet:       [e-mail]
Director of Advanced Technology         AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 24 Aug 1994 10:52:20 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Owen Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: text processing engines

>>I want to do some serious text processing--namely, scripts to do reference
>>threaded digestification of mailing list mail.  I'm considering BBEdit as
>>the engine, but I wondered if anyone had other suggestions?
>
As an addition to Tom Cloney's excellent list of suggestions, perhaps you
should have a look at Nisus; as well as being a good WP it's got a good
macro language with grep capabilities. The version with AppleScript support
(NisusWriter) is currently in beta.

_________________________________________________________________________
Owen Watson, The Royal Society of NZ, PO Box 598, Wellington, New Zealand
Internet [e-mail]  Ph: [phone] Fax: [phone]
The gateway to New Zealand science: http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 24 Aug 1994 12:31:03 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Owen Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Sybase OSAX?

>The Database Scripting Kit is an OSAX, available from Graphical
>Business Interfaces  [phone], AppleLink  D2193 who have some
>interesting sounding

Beware of GBI (if it's the same one; Steve Mansfield is the name); I bought
a 4D external package off him. Zero support, and asking for the money-back
guarantee has produced nothing to date.

_________________________________________________________________________
Owen Watson, The Royal Society of NZ, PO Box 598, Wellington, New Zealand
Internet [e-mail]  Ph: [phone] Fax: [phone]
The gateway to New Zealand science: http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 23 Aug 1994 18:57:56 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript Objects

>>Maybe I should play with AS objects some more...
>>
>>Derrick
>
>You should -- they're the most fun things in AS.
>
>Shame they didn't include elements. You'd be able to build full grown
>scriptable apps in AS.
>
>Maybe in AS 2.0
>
>Have fun!
>

Actually, there is the little osax on gaea (sorry, name forgotten) which
uses the PowerTalk Catalog Manager to run a little database.  The
Collection Manager of QuickDraw GX could be similarly (and more usefully to
me, since I see no use here in PowerTalk) be "drafted" to the task of
holding elements.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
When was the last time you checked out the ceiling tiles in a building you
were in?
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 23 Aug 1994 19:05:07 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Michel <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FMPro Field listing?
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]> from "Joel Smith" at Aug
              22, 94 11:41:04 pm

>
> How can I get a complete field list for any particular database. All I can
> get at this point is a list of the fields on the active layout. Am I missing
> something really obvious? This should be simple, but I've tried several
> things and nothing so far. Is this a FileMaker Pro feature?
>
> I can get the number of fields in a database, but I can only get a list of
> field names for the current layout. I can only get names by number for those
> fields on the layout (or so it seems). Any suggestions?  Something more
> elegant than looping through all layouts would be good. Thanks
>
> Joel Smith
>

Use layout 0, which always contains all the fields in the database:

tell application "FileMaker Pro"
        the Name of every Field of Layout 0
end tell

Steve
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 24 Aug 1994 14:04:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript Objects

"John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]> writes:

>Actually, there is the little osax on gaea (sorry, name forgotten) which
>uses the PowerTalk Catalog Manager to run a little database.  The
>Collection Manager of QuickDraw GX could be similarly (and more usefully to
>me, since I see no use here in PowerTalk) be "drafted" to the task of
>holding elements.

Yes, but the Collection Manager doesn't provide persistence: you'd have to
flatten the collection to disk and unflatten it back into RAM again later as
separate steps. AOCE catalogs give you persistence automatically. PowerShare
catalogs even give you multi-user access and access control.

And don't forget the ability to browse data from the Finder...

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 23 Aug 1994 23:59:14 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Hebert <[e-mail]>
Organization: L'AISON - Beverly Hills, Michigan
Subject:      Re: Wanted: CTB osax

>[e-mail] wrote:
>>Here is my 'wish list' if anyone is going to write such as OSAX:
>>
>>- Should have capability of "wait for string" and "send string", like ZTerm
>>and Microphone.
>>
>>- Should have capability of putting received data into a variable, like the
>>TCP/IP OSAX can do. This allows you to write if/then statements about what
>>to do depending on the data sent.
>>
>
>This would indeed be very nice, and is a thing that has annoyed me about
>SITcomm, which allows you to "wait for text", but only if you know what to
>wait for!
>
Yes! Now I know I am not alone in this. I have much use for that function in
SITcomm, and have voiced this to the authors before. I am curious as to how
great of a ned this is? Is this something that Dave and I want, or is the
demand great enough to merit a change in the next upgrade of SITcomm?

Thanks in Advance, and
Regards,
Jay Hebert
[e-mail]
--

==========================[e-mail]=========================
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   To Live  ||These are the pale deaths which / Men miscall their lives
     is     ||     All this I cannot bear / To witness any longer
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I'm too self-interested to  -==- permission to reproduce it in any form
speak for anyone else.      -==- unless otherwise explicitly stated.
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 23 Aug 1994 22:26:19 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript Objects

>"John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>Actually, there is the little osax on gaea (sorry, name forgotten) which
>>uses the PowerTalk Catalog Manager to run a little database.  The
>>Collection Manager of QuickDraw GX could be similarly (and more usefully to
>>me, since I see no use here in PowerTalk) be "drafted" to the task of
>>holding elements.
>
>Yes, but the Collection Manager doesn't provide persistence: you'd have to
>flatten the collection to disk and unflatten it back into RAM again later as
>separate steps. AOCE catalogs give you persistence automatically. PowerShare
>catalogs even give you multi-user access and access control.
>
>And don't forget the ability to browse data from the Finder...

All that is fine...so long as my vast network consists of 2 machines,
within arm's length, both with me as the only user, and incredibly poor US
West performance in (206)437 makes automated dialing or answering
impossible, PowerTalk won't be installed on my machines.  I don't think I'm
the only one who is going to not install PowerTalk.

Actually, I don't need the capability, since I (a) have Frontier running
(and hence its database on-line), and (b) Frontier gives me access to uBASE
for things which shouldn't take up room in Frontier's db.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
When was the last time you checked out the ceiling tiles in a building you
were in?
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 24 Aug 1994 00:48:10 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Attachability & Tinkerability...

Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>> Where can I find information about the above topics and how to implement
>>> them in an application?

[snip!]

>Generally you move into the twilight zone when you attempt this cool stuff.
>
>It seem that not even Apple has tried this stuff. I'm sure that fame and
>fortune awaits the people who do this right. Or it may go over everyones
>head,
>
>My bet is that people doing "vertical market" apps (that have to be a
>little customizable) have the best chances of making tinkerable apps that
>will work in a real environment. You need a target application that needs
>to be mallable (so you would want to change it) but which requires being
>coded as an app (rather than a script or a stack or whatever). If anyone
>has any ideas what these apps might be I'd like to hear about them. I think
>multimedia and games may fall into this category ...

I don't know about all the possible apps, but Apple has already done one of
the Mac's most attachable and tinkerable apps, Hypercard.  So it would seem
that Apple _has_ tried this stuff, but perhaps it already went over
people's heads.  ;)

Personally, this is my vision of the future.  Being a nerd, I scope out the
consoles on Star Trek and imagine how they must be programmed to work.  It
would seem that they are/would be completely programmable so that you can
make your own custom control system (although most people will use the
standard templates that ship with the ship).  It would be sort of like a
snappy Hypercard interface to a complex mechanical system complete with
intersteller ftp and a humongous database and memory storage.  That's not
including the Holodeck!  ;)

In some ways this could be similar to the World Wide Web (Universal Warp
Web?). Imagine being able to pull up anyone's public Home page and simply
copying some of their controls and buttons to your private collection.  You
can then layer your controls so that one button leads you to another
collection of controls. This could be very similar to Hypercard's stack
idea, although with more power and in color, of course.  :)  I think this
sort of interface also will be the culmination of the current OOP efforts.
Each of these buttons or widgets or whatever could be programs which would
use either standard code or new custom code.  You could pick up a piece of
program and stuff it in another program while it is running.  There are a
lot of systems in place today that do a lot of this kind of stuff.
Eventually we will have some kind of standardized computer systems that
everyone can use and their interfaces will be completely tinkerable and
attachable.  Then we can carry around Newton pocket clipboards.  ;)

Of course, it might be some time before you can buy any of this, unless we
get rid of money and it's all free.  ;)

Jon

PS

I want transporters to the ski resorts!  Ski every mountain!
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 24 Aug 1994 15:51:47 +0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Todd Hooper <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Sybase OSAX?
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]> from "Automatic digest
              processor" at Aug 24, 94 00:00:23 am

I've used the DataScript gateway from General Knowledge against
an Oracle database. In fact, I just reviewed it for MacNews. It works
quite nicely. If you are familiar with AppleScript and SQL then you
should have no problems. The tech support from the Australian distributor
was also very good.

You can reach General Knowledge via [e-mail]. They
have a demo version available. The actual program is platform specific,
so you would need the Sybase model as opposed to the Oracle or DAL models.

Speed is probably the major issue. v2.0 is faster than 1.0 was, but it
still needs a fairly hefty Mac to get good performance.

Regards,

Todd
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Date:         Wed, 24 Aug 1994 22:43:26 +0930
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Nick Hodge <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re(2): Attachability & Tinkerability...

>Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>>> Where can I find information about the above topics and how to implement
>>>> them in an application?

>[snip!]

>>Generally you move into the twilight zone when you attempt this cool stuff.
>>
>>It seem that not even Apple has tried this stuff. I'm sure that fame and
>>fortune awaits the people who do this right. Or it may go over everyones
>>head,
>>
>>My bet is that people doing "vertical market" apps (that have to be a
>>little customizable) have the best chances of making tinkerable apps that
>>will work in a real environment. You need a target application that needs
>>to be mallable (so you would want to change it) but which requires being
>>coded as an app (rather than a script or a stack or whatever). If anyone
>>has any ideas what these apps might be I'd like to hear about them. I think
>>multimedia and games may fall into this category ...

>I don't know about all the possible apps, but Apple has already done one of
>the Mac's most attachable and tinkerable apps, Hypercard.  So it would seem
>that Apple _has_ tried this stuff, but perhaps it already went over
>people's heads.  ;)

I concur with Jon's sentiments about attachability/tinkerability for the
"rocket scientist" users [and Star Trek visions: I want a holodeck in my
house! 3D touch-n-feel VR  :-)  ].  I forsee the day when we
consultants/developers can purchase apps/objects and build custom apps for
customers.  Sort of an OpenDoc-AppleScript Soup (woops! Newton term!)

By the way, what every happened to Apple's Mother Of All Object-Oriented
Development environment, SK8? (pronounced Skate!)  The ATG team demoed it at
the 1993 WWDC, but I've heard nothing since.  Did it get the heave-ho in the
Apple Summer'93 Reorg(TM)??



--
__________________________________________________________________________
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Consulting Systems Engineer      |                   [e-mail]
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 \\\\Adelaide, South Australia   |                   CompuServe: 73320,667
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Date:         Wed, 24 Aug 1994 08:42:22 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript Objects
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Tue, 23 Aug 94 22:26:19 PDT"

[much snipped]
>>Yes, but the Collection Manager doesn't provide persistence: you'd have to
>>flatten the collection to disk and unflatten it back into RAM again later as
>>separate steps. AOCE catalogs give you persistence automatically. PowerShare
>>catalogs even give you multi-user access and access control.
>>
>>And don't forget the ability to browse data from the Finder...

>All that is fine...so long as my vast network consists of 2 machines,
>within arm's length, both with me as the only user, and incredibly poor US
>West performance in (206)437 makes automated dialing or answering
>impossible, PowerTalk won't be installed on my machines.  I don't think I'm
>the only one who is going to not install PowerTalk.
>
>Actually, I don't need the capability, since I (a) have Frontier running
>(and hence its database on-line), and (b) Frontier gives me access to uBASE
>for things which shouldn't take up room in Frontier's db.

Well, ScriptBase from Main Event (I hear rumors that it's shipping, but I
don't know for sure) provides you with a database capability for AppleScript
where you can store scripts, objects, and other odds and ends. If I can get
any additional information, I'll pass it along.

pf
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Date:         Wed, 24 Aug 1994 11:14:15 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FMPro Field listing?

>How can I get a complete field list for any particular database. All I can
>get at this point is a list of the fields on the active layout. Am I missing
>something really obvious? This should be simple, but I've tried several
>things and nothing so far. Is this a FileMaker Pro feature?
>
>I can get the number of fields in a database, but I can only get a list of
>field names for the current layout. I can only get names by number for those
>fields on the layout (or so it seems). Any suggestions?  Something more
>elegant than looping through all layouts would be good. Thanks
>
>Joel Smith


This ain't obvious - I dug this out of one of the FM help gurus: there is a
magic layout in Filemaker called Layout 0.  It is invisible and contains
every field in the database and is dynamically updated when you add a field
to your database.  So if you always specify layout 0 you will know you are
working with every field.

Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]

Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hosptial For Sick Children
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Date:         Wed, 24 Aug 1994 10:47:21 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      class 'event'

What exactly is the class 'event' used for?

Does anyone have a real, honest, theory-laden language spec for AppleScript?

The docs just aren't answering my questions. :-(

~ Kiran

--
6216 41st Avenue Hyattsville MD 20782 301/779-0756 <[e-mail]>
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 24 Aug 1994 08:36:03 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript Objects
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Tue, 23 Aug 1994, John W. Baxter wrote:

> >"John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]> writes:
> >Yes, but the Collection Manager doesn't provide persistence: you'd have to
> >flatten the collection to disk and unflatten it back into RAM again later as
> >separate steps. AOCE catalogs give you persistence automatically. PowerShare
> >catalogs even give you multi-user access and access control.

And if one needs a persistent database for AppleScript, I reccommend
ScriptBase, a great little utility from Main Event. It's a scripting
addition/database which provides the same functionality as Frontier's
Object Database for AppleScript. It's pretty slick.

Main Event's number is 202 298 9595

Derrick
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 24 Aug 1994 08:51:41 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript Objects

At 08:36 8/24/94 -0700, Derrick Schneider wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Aug 1994, John W. Baxter wrote:
>
>> >"John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]> writes:
>> >Yes, but the Collection Manager doesn't provide persistence: you'd have to
>> >flatten the collection to disk and unflatten it back into RAM again later as
>> >separate steps. AOCE catalogs give you persistence automatically. PowerShare
>> >catalogs even give you multi-user access and access control.
>
>And if one needs a persistent database for AppleScript, I reccommend
>ScriptBase, a great little utility from Main Event. It's a scripting
>addition/database which provides the same functionality as Frontier's
>Object Database for AppleScript. It's pretty slick.
>
>Main Event's number is 202 298 9595

Thanks, Derrick.  You reminded me that Frontier Runtime also provides the
same functionality as Frontier's object database, for AppleScript.  $35
shareware after 30 day test.  Downloadable from the gaea site:

  ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu:frontier/FromUserland/runtime303.sea.hqx

Online documentation kit in

  ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu:frontier/FromUserland/DocServer_for_Runtime.sit.hqx

     --John

--John W. Baxter    Port Ludlow, WA USA   [e-mail]
  UserLand Software support
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 24 Aug 1994 09:11:50 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Greg Francis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Finder Reference versus Alias Reference

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I've run into a problem with a script that I'm writing.

If I run the script, I search a folder using the scriptable Finder and I get a
reference back to specific items in the folder of the form:

   file "foo" of folder "bar" of startup disk

The rest of the script is spent compressing and archiving the file, connecting
to a FirstClass board with SITcomm, and transfering the compressed file back
to a central location.

I would also like to send files by just dropping them on the script but I'm
having problems with the way these files are referenced. It seems there:

   alias "MacintoshHD:bar:foo"

Is there a way for me to convert this type of reference to the type that the
scriptable finder uses? It seems that everything I try doesn't work.

Please send responses to me directly or via cc since I get the list digested.

Thanks a lot!

Greg Francis

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[e-mail] | to remote schools across the United States.
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Date:         Wed, 24 Aug 1994 11:20:22 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Alex <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Run Script and self-modifying code!

Its almost dangerous the things you can pick up just scanning this digest!

The care and feeding of 50 some co-workers using Mac's can sometimes be
painful, especially since some of them should only be using a pencil because
a ballpoint pen is a little too complicated for them! (I hope people aren't
still using the sales pitch that "anyone" can use a Mac). But we work with
them (I am exaggerating about our users!) and try to make things as simple as
possible.  Playing with AppleScript over the last six months or so we've
implemented a couple of script-based helpers (copy documents to a server with
a drop script - putting them in the right place based on their contents,
generating form letters, return receipts for PowerTalk mail, and other stuff
like that). I've though about putting a stay running application on every
machine that would help us monitor and solve problems. Something comes up
about once a week that is a candidate for the monitor application - but
that's the problem - it would be a configuration management nightmare, adding
new things to the script, distributing the scripts, etc., etc.

I guess I missed  the "run script" command until it showed up on the digest.
Having played with about every language from Ada to 6502 assembly, I kind of
though that AppleScript was a fairly structured and somewhat strongly typed
language - and that it would not have things like "self-modifying code".
Having spend too many hours with the dBase language in some past existence, I
seemed to recall something called "macro substitution". You put a ampersand
(&) before the variable name and it executed the command stored in the
variable. Neat stuff, but highly unstructured. Guess what "run script" is?

For instance, create a stay running script application "foo" that consists
of:

on doFinderCommand(theCommand)
        tell application "Finder"
                set theResult to run script theCommand
        end tell
        return theResult
end finderCommand

Now from another machine

tell application "foo" of machine "bar" of zone "x" to
doFinderCommand("restart")

I don't thing this is what they had in mind, but we all knew we could do it.
"Run Script" does provide a way of doing useful things like:

"User 12" complains: "My mail isn't working!!!"

tell application "foo" of machine "user 12" of zone "complainers"
   doFinderCommand( "count item of item "Mailbox Problems" of item "user 12")
end tell

If it returns something other than a 0, there is a PowerTalk mail problem
that needs to be resolved. I know that this may be a little complex example
by using PowerTalk, but I am sure everyone can thing of a couple of things
you might want to get from a user's machine. Another example to help the
though process would be to solve a PrintMonitor" problem, you might want to
check the version?

"version of information window of application file "PrintMonitor" of
extensions folder"

The scriptable finder is neat, might even have to get the book some day
(anyone know the ISBN number?). Run Script gives you some flexibility that
may make its way into a couple of our scripts and possibly yours.


Steve Alex
                        [e-mail]
Alabama Industrial Development Training
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 24 Aug 1994 09:24:41 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: class 'event'

>What exactly is the class 'event' used for?
>
>Does anyone have a real, honest, theory-laden language spec for AppleScript?
>
>The docs just aren't answering my questions. :-(
>
>~ Kiran
>
>--
>6216 41st Avenue Hyattsville MD 20782 301/779-0756 <[e-mail]>

One thing you may want to invest in is a copy of Inside Mac:
Interapplication Communication, which has a lot of details (but is not
complete).

I found this gave me a better view of scripting as it fits into the system
(and of course as to how to actually implement it).

Kevin Purcell           [e-mail]
Attachmate Corp         [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 24 Aug 1994 11:31:20 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: class 'event'
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Wed, 24 Aug 94 10:47:21 EDT"

Kiran sez...

>What exactly is the class 'event' used for?
>
>Does anyone have a real, honest, theory-laden language spec for AppleScript?
>
>The docs just aren't answering my questions. :-(

Don't know if this will completely help you, but you might want to take a look
at the Apple Event Registry (available in paper from APDA or on develop and
Developer CD ROMs) and the Inside Mac Interapplication Communication volume.

I'm sure others will chime in.

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 24 Aug 1994 09:58:25 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Finder Reference versus Alias Reference

At 09:11 8/24/94 -0800, Greg Francis wrote:
>I've run into a problem with a script that I'm writing.
>
>If I run the script, I search a folder using the scriptable Finder and I get a
>reference back to specific items in the folder of the form:
>
>   file "foo" of folder "bar" of startup disk
>
>The rest of the script is spent compressing and archiving the file, connecting
>to a FirstClass board with SITcomm, and transfering the compressed file back
>to a central location.
>
>I would also like to send files by just dropping them on the script but I'm
>having problems with the way these files are referenced. It seems there:
>
>   alias "MacintoshHD:bar:foo"
>
>Is there a way for me to convert this type of reference to the type that the
>scriptable finder uses? It seems that everything I try doesn't work.

This snippet will point the way (it also shows how to get the selected
items as strings).  It assumes AppleScript 1.1 (and Scriptable Finder).

tell application "Finder"
    set foo to selection
    set bar to {}
    set baz to {}
    repeat with x in foo
        set end of bar to x as string
        set end of baz to x as alias
    end repeat
end tell
{foo, bar, baz}

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
When was the last time you checked out the ceiling tiles in a building you
were in?
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 24 Aug 1994 19:20:36 +0200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Thomas Baetzler <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Cumulus PowerPro anyone?

Has anybody else played around with Cululus PowerPro's AS interface?

I am trying to get the DB engine to serve me the name/number of a row
that I can match by one column. The documentation that came with the
upgrade disk gives an example like:

set found to every row where value of cell "foo" = "bar"

- only it just doesn't work ;-( I'm quite sure my adressing is right
since I can fx. read cell "foo" of any row that I can name.

The directory of CPP lists various commands of a 'Database Suite' -
but I can't find any examples/documentation for that. Can anybody out
there enlighten me?

Thanks for the help!

Thomas Baetzler, [e-mail], [e-mail]
---
This product has been cruelly tested on cute little furry animals.
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 24 Aug 1994 11:19:19 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Terry Forrester <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Attachability & Tinkerability...

Jon Pugh <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In some ways this could be similar to the World Wide Web (Universal Warp
> Web?). Imagine being able to pull up anyone's public Home page and simply
> copying some of their controls and buttons to your private collection.  You
> can then layer your controls so that one button leads you to another
> collection of controls. This could be very similar to Hypercard's stack
> idea, although with more power and in color, of course.  :)  I think this
> sort of interface also will be the culmination of the current OOP efforts.
> Each of these buttons or widgets or whatever could be programs which would
> use either standard code or new custom code.  You could pick up a piece of
> program and stuff it in another program while it is running.  There are a
> lot of systems in place today that do a lot of this kind of stuff.
> Eventually we will have some kind of standardized computer systems that
> everyone can use and their interfaces will be completely tinkerable and
> attachable.  Then we can carry around Newton pocket clipboards.  ;)
> I want transporters to the ski resorts!  Ski every mountain!
>

The latest version of the interface design and app building tools from
FaceWare, (was ViewIt, now called DynaFace) can do much of this sort of thing
now. You can attach AppleScript scripts or high-level program code to
buttons, menu items, etc. New buttons and scripts can be added while your
program is running, so you can do quite a bit without ever having to go back
and recompile your application. There is a simple script editor that can
compile/decompile scripts, and save them in 'scpt' resources. For more
info, you could contact FaceWare at (217)-328-5842, or e-mail to
[e-mail].

--
/* Terry Forrester                   [e-mail]    */
/* Lunar and Planetary Laboratory    (602)-621-4539        */
/* University of Arizona             Tucson, AZ 85721      */
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 25 Aug 1994 09:06:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Finder Reference versus Alias Reference

Greg Francis <[e-mail]> writes:

>I've run into a problem with a script that I'm writing.
>
>If I run the script, I search a folder using the scriptable Finder and I get a
>reference back to specific items in the folder of the form:
>
>   file "foo" of folder "bar" of startup disk
>
>The rest of the script is spent compressing and archiving the file, connecting
>to a FirstClass board with SITcomm, and transfering the compressed file back
>to a central location.
>
>I would also like to send files by just dropping them on the script but I'm
>having problems with the way these files are referenced. It seems there:
>
>   alias "MacintoshHD:bar:foo"
>
>Is there a way for me to convert this type of reference to the type that the
>scriptable finder uses? It seems that everything I try doesn't work.

It appears you don't need to--the Finder will happily accept either form.
For example, I tried this script:

    tell application "Finder"
        every file of alias "Mhacking Tosh II:Documents:"
    end tell

and I got back a list of all the files in that folder, as a list of object
references of the form 'file "xxx" of folder "Documents" of disk
"Mhacking Tosh II"'.

As for converting the other way, that's easy: just cast the object reference
"as alias".

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 25 Aug 1994 09:28:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Run Script and self-modifying code!

Steve Alex <[e-mail]> writes:

>For instance, create a stay running script application "foo" that consists
>of:
>
>on doFinderCommand(theCommand)
>        tell application "Finder"
>                set theResult to run script theCommand
>        end tell
>        return theResult
>end finderCommand
>
>Now from another machine
>
>tell application "foo" of machine "bar" of zone "x" to
>doFinderCommand("restart")
>
>I don't thing this is what they had in mind, but we all knew we could do it.
>"Run Script" does provide a way of doing useful things like:
>
>"User 12" complains: "My mail isn't working!!!"
>
>tell application "foo" of machine "user 12" of zone "complainers"
>   doFinderCommand( "count item of item "Mailbox Problems" of item "user 12")
>end tell

Yup, this is all cool stuff. However, it might be quicker to send an
already-compiled script over the network, rather than script source. There
is also the idea that your scripts should be independent of "dialect" (ie
"human language"). For example, the above example could fail if the target
machine were running the French or Japanese version of AppleScript, whereas
sending a compiled script would still work.

I created a simple stay-open applet called "Doer", the script of which consists
of just the following:

    on Do(thingy)
        run thingy
    end Do

I started this up on our server, and from my machine I ran the script

    script x
        tell application "Finder"
            every disk
        end tell
    end script
    tell application "Doer" of machine "Vice"
        Do(x)
    end tell

and sure enough, I got a list of every disk on the server.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 24 Aug 1994 14:49:41 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Finder Reference versus Alias Reference

>Greg Francis <[e-mail]> writes:
[files and alias stuff deleted]
>>Is there a way for me to convert this type of reference to the type that the
>>scriptable finder uses? It seems that everything I try doesn't work.
>
>It appears you don't need to--the Finder will happily accept either form.
>For example, I tried this script:
>
>    tell application "Finder"
>        every file of alias "Mhacking Tosh II:Documents:"
>    end tell

>and I got back a list of all the files in that folder, as a list of object
>references of the form 'file "xxx" of folder "Documents" of disk
>"Mhacking Tosh II"'.

This will only work if "Mhacking Tosh II:Documents:" already exists on the
machine compiling the script.

On the other hand,

    tell application "Finder"
        every file of file "Mhacking Tosh II:Documents:"
    end tell

will compile but will give a run time error on my machine (because the mac
can't find the disk "Mhacking Tosh II:"

>As for converting the other way, that's easy: just cast the object reference
>"as alias".

For example,

tell application "Finder"
        every file of (file "Mhacking Tosh II:Documents:" as alias)
end tell

This too compiles but has a run time error for the same reason as before.

This is dealt with in the AppleScript Language guide, p144 (I just
horrified myself by remebering that page number off the top of my head :-).

To sum up: the difference between an alias and a file is when you compile a
script containing an immediate form of an alias the compiler checks to see
if the alias is valid when compiling the script. This is not the case for a
file reference.

An almost typo free post from

Kevin Purcell           [e-mail]
Attachmate Corp         [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 24 Aug 1994 15:17:30 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Run Script and self-modifying code!

Lawrence D'Oliveiro  says:
>Yup, this is all cool stuff. However, it might be quicker to send an
>already-compiled script over the network, rather than script source. There
>is also the idea that your scripts should be independent of "dialect" (ie
>"human language"). For example, the above example could fail if the target
>machine were running the French or Japanese version of AppleScript, whereas
>sending a compiled script would still work.

The problem here would be if you compiled the script with a later version
AS than the receiver has. It would have been nice if they defined true
supersets to avoid this problem. Is nothing transparent!

I think you pays yer money and you taker yer choice

Kevin Purcell           [e-mail]
Attachmate Corp         [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 25 Aug 1994 10:47:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Finder Reference versus Alias Reference

Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]> writes:

>To sum up: the difference between an alias and a file is when you compile a
>script containing an immediate form of an alias the compiler checks to see
>if the alias is valid when compiling the script. This is not the case for a
>file reference.

You're right, but you can get around this. For example

        alias "j"

will not compile on my machine, since file "j" doesn't exist. But

        set f to "j"
        alias f

will compile, as will

        alias ("j" & "")

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 24 Aug 1994 16:13:04 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Finder Reference versus Alias Reference

>Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>To sum up: the difference between an alias and a file is when you compile a
>>script containing an immediate form of an alias the compiler checks to see
>>if the alias is valid when compiling the script. This is not the case for a
>>file reference.
>
>You're right, but you can get around this. For example
>
>        alias "j"
>
>will not compile on my machine, since file "j" doesn't exist. But
>
>        set f to "j"
>        alias f
>
>will compile, as will
>
>        alias ("j" & "")

The important bit is an immediate form (I dunno what the correct term is
for this). Anything that requires evaluation will get by the compiler.

Kevin Purcell, N7WIM / G8UDP                 [e-mail]
Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organiser    206/649-6489
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 24 Aug 1994 19:13:45 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Finder Reference versus Alias Reference

>Is there a way for me to convert this type of reference to the type that the
>scriptable finder uses?

I answered Greg by mail as well, but this is something everyone may be
interested in seeing.  If you can't predict ahead of time what kind of object
will be dropped into a script, the safest method is to convert the alias
references to Finder item class objects.  An item is the most senior object
in the Finder's hierarchy for things we see in Finder windows (files,
folders, disks).  Anything called an item and bearing a pathname will be
accepted as parameters to Finder scripting commands.

Here's an example of how to coerce an alias (which comes back from the choose
file command) to an item class object:

tell application "Finder"
 set myItem to a reference to item ((choose file) as string)
end tell

Like lots of stuff in AppleScript, I learned this the hard way, and
incorporated the results into Script-a-File (the August utility from
ZiffNet/Mac).

Danny Goodman
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 25 Aug 1994 11:40:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Finder Reference versus Alias Reference

Danny Goodman <[e-mail]> writes:

>An item is the most senior object
>in the Finder's hierarchy for things we see in Finder windows (files,
>folders, disks).  Anything called an item and bearing a pathname will be
>accepted as parameters to Finder scripting commands.
>
>Here's an example of how to coerce an alias (which comes back from the choose
>file command) to an item class object:
>
>tell application "Finder"
> set myItem to a reference to item ((choose file) as string)
>end tell

Interesting. I get back something like

        item "Mhacking Tosh II:Documents:Cisco AT configs temp" of
            application "Finder"

By the way, the basic AppleScript "file" and "alias" prefixes work with folders
and disks, too:

        info for file "Mhacking Tosh II:Documents"

(trailing colon optional) returns information for the "Documents" folder on
my hard disk, while

        info for file "Mhacking Tosh II:"

returns information about the hard disk itself.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 25 Aug 1994 11:48:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Sound Input Control osax

This one is for CD lovers with CD-ROM-equipped Macs. Specifically, it's for
those with Macs where they find themselves continually switching the sound
input source between the microphone (or external audio) and CD audio. It's
an osax that will do the switching without a trip to the Sound control panel.
I've also included a couple of sample applets that you can use.

I've just dropped it in the incoming folder on gaea.kgs.ukans.edu. Enjoy.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 24 Aug 1994 16:55:49 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Eric Gorr <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Developing the Aete resource

I have a custom apple event and would like to develop an Aete resource
for it so I can make it scriptable.

All I have currently is the 'Aete Editor b3' hypercard stack & IM:IC.

If anyone has any suggestions for things to get and/or would be willing to
help me, I would apprecate it.

thanx...


===Eric Gorr================[e-mail]===========aka MystryMan===
_____
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| O | * Therefore the considerations of the intelligent always include both
|/_\|   benefit and harm (Sun Tzu)

#include <standard.disclamer>
=====Insults, like violence, are the last resort of the incompetent...=====
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 24 Aug 1994 18:04:17 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Peter Speck <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Run Script and self-modifying code!

>I created a simple stay-open applet called "Doer", the script of which cons=
ists
>of just the following:

A little funny detail: Doer is the spelling of "D=F8r" when 8 bit characters
are not available, and "D=F8r" is the Danish word for "Door".


---
Peter Speck
                             (And it was eleven o'clock
                              which was time for a little something)
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 25 Aug 1994 14:15:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Run Script and self-modifying code!

Peter Speck <[e-mail]> observes:

>>I created a simple stay-open applet called "Doer", the script of which cons=
>ists
>>of just the following:
>
>A little funny detail: Doer is the spelling of "D=F8r" when 8 bit characters
>are not available, and "D=F8r" is the Danish word for "Door".

And my "Doer" is, in fact, a door into the system, is it not?

Lawrence "I'll stop now, I promise" D'Oliveiro
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 25 Aug 1994 15:41:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Sound Input Control osax

Ahem. In my excitement, I forgot to include an important component in the
archive, namely the Sound Input Control osax itself!

I just put a new archive in the incoming folder on gaea.kgs.ukans.edu.
I hope not too many people are mad at me...

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 24 Aug 1994 23:47:51 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Sound Input Control osax
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Thu, 25 Aug 94 15:41:00 +1100"

Lawrence said...

>Ahem. In my excitement, I forgot to include an important component in the
>archive, namely the Sound Input Control osax itself!
>
>I just put a new archive in the incoming folder on gaea.kgs.ukans.edu.
>I hope not too many people are mad at me...

Not to worry. I only moved it just a few moments ago. It can be found in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/osaxen/SoundInputControl.hqx

Have fun.

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 25 Aug 1994 05:50:52 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Finder Reference

:By the way, the basic AppleScript "file" and "alias" prefixes work
with folders
:and disks, too:
:
:        info for file "Mhacking Tosh II:Documents"
:
:(trailing colon optional) returns information for the :"Documents"
folder on
:my hard disk, while
:
:        info for file "Mhacking Tosh II:"
:
:returns information about the hard disk itself.
:

Yes, but you cannot use alias or file references for things like the
Desktop Folder or Trash in scriptable Finder.  But since both are
descended from the Item class, you can use their pathnames with the
item reference, as in:

   Item "Mac HD:Desktop Folder:"

Danny Goodman
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 25 Aug 1994 09:29:26 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John D. Griffin" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 23 Aug 1994 to 24 Aug 1994

How do I remove myself from this distribution list?
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 25 Aug 1994 10:43:10 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kim-son Tran <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Couple of AS Questions

I've got a couple of questions:

1)  I'm thinking of writing a word game with AppleScript and I was hoping to use
a dictionary of some type to randomly pick a word. Does anyone know of a
scriptable dictionary or a text processor which will allow scripting of the
dictionary's function? Or, does anyone know of any source I could use that is
actually a deliminated list of words?

2)  I'm trying to script FMPro (2.1v2) to update a database of mine which works
fine if the database is the only document that FMPro has open. The database I'm
trying to update sends a command (via FMPro script) to an external AppleScript
script to gather information and update the database. However, if I have another
document open, the script brings the first database to the front to continue
with the update. How do I make my database update in the background, thus,
allowing me to work with other FMPro documents. I did not use the activate
command and I've address the document I'm working on via the tell statement.
Actually, since I'm using FMPro script to invoke an AppleScript script, I need
the document to be open so I didn't use the activate statement. If this doesn't
make sense please e-mail me and let me have another chance of explaining.

3)  Does anyone know what is promissed with System 7.5 CD in terms of
AppleScript? (Supposedly the CD will have a lot more than the floppy version).
What I'm wondering is will it include FaceSpan?

Thanks,

Internet:   [e-mail] or [e-mail]
AOL:        [e-mail]
eWorld:     [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 25 Aug 1994 11:06:42 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jeff Boulter <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Couple of AS Questions
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Thu, 25 Aug 1994, Kim-son Tran wrote:

> I've got a couple of questions:
>
> 1)  I'm thinking of writing a word game with AppleScript and I was hoping to
 use
> a dictionary of some type to randomly pick a word. Does anyone know of a
> scriptable dictionary or a text processor which will allow scripting of the
> dictionary's function? Or, does anyone know of any source I could use that is
> actually a deliminated list of words?
>
Try Excalibur. I believe it's scriptable via TCL. (scripting addition
available on gaea) Excalibur is on sumex-aim.stanford.edu,
mac.archive.umich.edu, and if you can't find it there, email the author,
 [e-mail].

Later,

Jeff Boulter

--
Jeff Boulter    [e-mail]   http://www.bucknell.edu/bucknellian/jeff
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 25 Aug 1994 11:35:14 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Couple of AS Questions
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Kim-son Tran" at Aug 25, 94 10:43:10 am

--Kim-son Tran wrote:
>
>How do I make my database update in the background, thus, allowing me to
>work with other FMPro documents.

    You don't. FileMaker Pro can only work with one active document at a
time.

>I did not use the activate command and I've address the document I'm
>working on via the tell statement.  Actually, since I'm using FMPro
>script to invoke an AppleScript script, I need the document to be open
>so I didn't use the activate statement. If this doesn't make sense
>please e-mail me and let me have another chance of explaining.

    It doesn't matter that you didn't use the activate command. If you
have a tell app "FileMaker Pro" control statement in an AppleScript
script then FM Pro will be busy for as long as the script remains within
that tell statement. This will hold true if you use a FM Pro script to
call an external AppleScript script.

>3)  Does anyone know what is promissed with System 7.5 CD in terms of
>AppleScript? (Supposedly the CD will have a lot more than the floppy version).
>What I'm wondering is will it include FaceSpan?

    System 7.5 is supposed to come with AppleScript 1.1 and the Finder
Scripting Extension (aka. the Scriptable Finder). I would also expect it
to contain the Script Editor and the Scriptable Text Editor and the
standard set of Scripting Additions. As for FaceSpan, that is anyone's
guess, but it would be nice if the FaceSpan people could get an update
out the door and included with 7.5. Also, while the CD will contain more
than the floppy version there won't be any core 7.5 pieces missing from
the floppy version. What won't be included on the floppies is the
bundled third party software, as well as the third party demos.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 25 Aug 1994 17:20:30 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Roel Vertegaal <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Receiving raw Apple Events in scripts

I am working on a mail parsing and announcement script which should run in
the background and utilize the Eudora notification event "ENot".
I would like to write something like:

on Appleevent class CSOm event ENot
-- announce something
end

Is this possible and what is the correct syntax?

Thanks,

Roel Vertegaal


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=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 25 Aug 1994 11:00:20 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Developing the Aete resource

>I have a custom apple event and would like to develop an Aete resource
>for it so I can make it scriptable.
>
        The best tools for creating/editing 'aete' resources are Rez and
Resorcerer.  I prefer the former in that I can use text tools
(search/replace/macros) on it while the latter is quite nice because it
keeps lists of common items and it hides all the "reserved" stuff.

        You could probably make do with other tools, but why???


Leonard

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Rosenthol                       Internet:       [e-mail]
Director of Advanced Technology         AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 25 Aug 1994 11:12:32 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Peter Speck <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Developing the Aete resource

Leonard Rosenthol wrote:

>>I have a custom apple event and would like to develop an Aete resource
>>for it so I can make it scriptable.
>>
>        The best tools for creating/editing 'aete' resources are Rez and
>Resorcerer.  I prefer the former in that I can use text tools
>(search/replace/macros) on it while the latter is quite nice because it
>keeps lists of common items and it hides all the "reserved" stuff.

Too add more to the list of tools: the 'Aete Editor b3' (I found it on
Symantec 7) is a HyperCard stack. It is nice, as it is easy to navigate
around, adding classes and events to the proper suite, etc.
One hint is to make the card larger, and show the hidden fields. Especially
in editing the properties of a class, I found this usefull.

---
Peter Speck
                             (And it was eleven o'clock
                              which was time for a little something)
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 26 Aug 1994 08:44:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Finder Reference

Danny Goodman <[e-mail]> writes:

>:By the way, the basic AppleScript "file" and "alias" prefixes work
>with folders
>:and disks, too:
>:
>:        info for file "Mhacking Tosh II:Documents"
>:
>:(trailing colon optional) returns information for the :"Documents"
>folder on
>:my hard disk, while
>:
>:        info for file "Mhacking Tosh II:"
>:
>:returns information about the hard disk itself.
>
>Yes, but you cannot use alias or file references for things like the
>Desktop Folder or Trash in scriptable Finder.

It's true, "file" doesn't work, but "alias" does! I tried:

    tell application "Finder"
        every file of alias "Mhacking Tosh II:Desktop Folder:"
    end tell

and got back a list of the stuff on my desktop. I tried replacing
"Desktop Folder" with "Trash", and that works, too.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 25 Aug 1994 13:55:04 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Erik Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Are script Libraries concurrent?

Are script libraries (using the load script command) available to several
scripts on the same machine at the same time.  If so, what happens to
globals declared in the library.  If not, I'll have to put the library code
into each script. Is there a commercial product that lets you create script
projects that will build a script from several files?

-Erik
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 25 Aug 1994 14:45:23 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Are script Libraries concurrent?

> Are script libraries (using the load script command) available to
> several scripts on the same machine at the same time.  If so, what
> happens to globals declared in the library.  If not, I'll have to put
> the library code into each script. Is there a commercial product that
> lets you create script projects that will build a script from
> several files?

I was under the impression (not rigorously tested) that when you load a
script library, you essentially give the program a copy of the library to
mess with -- in other words, that everything is localized.  I could be wrong,
though ...

-roy
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 25 Aug 1994 19:10:29 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Erik Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject:      How to quit one script and launch another?

I want script application A to launch script application B and then
completely quit.  Using combinations of launch and run, the best I can do
is call B as a subroutine.  I want to do this so that script A can call
script B to update A from a file server and then re-launch A.  In the DOS
batch file world you would use CALL.

Any ideas?

-Erik
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 26 Aug 1994 14:24:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: How to quit one script and launch another?

Erik Smith <[e-mail]> writes:

>I want script application A to launch script application B and then
>completely quit.  Using combinations of launch and run, the best I can do
>is call B as a subroutine.  I want to do this so that script A can call
>script B to update A from a file server and then re-launch A.  In the DOS
>batch file world you would use CALL.

You could have B tell A to quit.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 26 Aug 1994 00:13:36 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Receiving raw Apple Events in scripts

> I am working on a mail parsing and announcement script which should run in
> the background and utilize the Eudora notification event "ENot".

Aren't we all. :-|

> on Appleevent class CSOm event ENot

> Is this possible and what is the correct syntax?

Yes and no.  It SEEMS as if you should be able to write soemthing like
on notice -- the 2.1 notification message

just like you write "on open"

But it compiles as a procedure and NOT as an event handler.  (To see the
difference, compile "on open" with special formatting for 'variables.')

If anyone has an example of an event handler for an event other than the
four required ones, I haven't seen it.

But you CAN write a handler if you use those pesky angle brackets.

on <<event CSOmeNot>>
do stuff
end

--the angle brackets are speical characters.

It's ugly and I don't like it, but nobody's been able to tell me (or Steve)
how to tell Applescript that notice is NOT a variable but the name of an
event.

~ Kiran

--
6216 41st Avenue Hyattsville MD 20782 301/779-0756 <[e-mail]>
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 26 Aug 1994 00:11:52 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Are script Libraries concurrent?

Roy S. Rapoport <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> Are script libraries (using the load script command) available to
>> several scripts on the same machine at the same time.  If so, what
>> happens to globals declared in the library.  If not, I'll have to put
>> the library code into each script. Is there a commercial product that
>> lets you create script projects that will build a script from
>> several files?
>
>I was under the impression (not rigorously tested) that when you load a
>script library, you essentially give the program a copy of the library to
>mess with -- in other words, that everything is localized.  I could be wrong,
>though ...

You aren't wrong, but you're not completely correct either.  ;)

You can load a script (you can think of it as a library, but it's really
just a script) from disk using the "load script" command.  You can modify
properties and they will retain their values.  If you don't save the script
though, these values will be lost.  That's why AppleScript includes a
"store script" command.  You can write the script back to disk if you need
to retain data.

You can also embed scripts into other scripts by putting them into a
property.  This definately results in seperate copies, but you don't have
to bother loading and saving the script.  It fattens up the script since
you have a complete copy of the code in the property.  Thus, I prefer to
store an alias to the script and load it at run time.  See the FinderLib
documentation for complete examples of both techniques.

Personally, I prefer to use a seperate run-only script with no code in it
for data.  I do this because you lose the data when you recompile and if
you need to change the code you can be totally screwed if you forget or
recompile accidentally.  Storing your script without any code generally
prevents you from needing to look at it and storing it read-only definately
keeps you from looking at it.

So Roy, you are correct in saying that every program gets a different copy
of the script object, but you don't have to toss the changes made to it if
you don't want.  Now the issue becomes, what kind of concurrency problems
do you have to avoid?  You can't simply keep the script file open.  The
load and store commands don't do that.  You need some sort of semaphore to
indicate that someone has the script "checked out".  I'd probably use the
file name.  Rename it from foo to foo.lock before reading the script.  If
you fail to rename it, then someone already has it renamed and you have to
wait.  If you succeed, then keep going.  Simple and effective.

Sounds like this could done more generally with a semaphore osax too.  It
would be easy.  It could take 1 thru 32 as a semaphore number along with a
boolean for setting or clearing.  It could return a boolean telling whether
or not that semaphore is set or clear.  This would be a prime use for the
refcon bits.  No disposal necessary.  I wonder what else it could be good
for?  Whine at me if you need something like this, otherwise it'll wait
until I need it.  ;)

> Is there a commercial product that
> lets you create script projects that will build a script from
> several files?

Oh, and before I forget, ScriptServer isn't commercial, but it is
shareware, so it is supported and guarenteed.  That's right, all of my
shareware comes with a money back guarentee.  It is easy to tell that you
aren't going to need it since you don't pay until it _does_ work.  Don't
let the fact that ScriptServer is designated alpha fool you.  I could have
simply slammed it to a release version number, but I have a lot more stuff
that I want to add to it, and I will.  The parts that are there are solid
though.  We've been using it at my work to build our Apple products and I
have friends at Apple using it for their projects.  ScriptServer works and
it works well.

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 26 Aug 1994 00:11:56 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: How to quit one script and launch another?

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Erik Smith <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>I want script application A to launch script application B and then
>>completely quit.  Using combinations of launch and run, the best I can do
>>is call B as a subroutine.  I want to do this so that script A can call
>>script B to update A from a file server and then re-launch A.  In the DOS
>>batch file world you would use CALL.
>
>You could have B tell A to quit.

I think you missed the mistake here, Lawrence.

System 7 NEVER calls apps as subroutines.  It is impossible to make it do
so.  Therefore, I believe that Erik is simply mistaken and I'll bet I know
why.

If you were to write a simple script that had only a repeat loop in it, you
could launch it and it would display this behavior.  A repeat loop would
block the launcher from getting time by burning cycles without calling
WaitNextEvent.  This is why it appears that it is running as a subroutine.
If you made it do some simple AppleEvent in the loop (call an osax or an
app) then the launcher would get time and quit before the repeat loop
finished.

Well, that's my guess anyhow.

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 26 Aug 1994 15:39:20 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Judith Kertisz SUCHARD <[e-mail]>
Subject:      ScriptServer

>Oh, and before I forget, ScriptServer isn't commercial, but it is
>shareware, so it is supported and guarenteed.

What does it do, can we have some details on it.
(and what it does, and how to order it)

thanks !!!

Chaleureusement,

Judith
_________________________________________
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25, rue Mont Cenis                         Tel:[phone]
75018 Paris, France                     Fax: [phone]
_________________________________________
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=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 26 Aug 1994 09:37:52 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Greg Hiner <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora - Receiving raw Apple Events in scripts

>> I am working on a mail parsing and announcement script which should run in
>> the background and utilize the Eudora notification event "ENot".
>
>Aren't we all. :-|
>
>> on Appleevent class CSOm event ENot
>

As I understand the Eudora AppleEvent docs - isn't Eudora supposed to
attach a list of new messages to the notification event - .

Mail Notification Event
Eudora uses this event to notify a client application that mail has
arrived.  It also may be generated by the user, if he wants the client  to
(re)process selected messages.
Class:  kEudoraSuite
Event:  kEuNotify

Parameters:
keyEuMessageList
 - typeAEDescList  List of message objects of newly-arrived messages.


and if so - how do you get and use that list with AppleScript. The sorter I
wrote uses the notification event to start it but then falls back on
checking every message in the In Box looking for ones with status = 1 (ie
new messages). Things would be a lot simplier if I could get a list from
Eudora that told me exactly which messages were new so I didn't have to go
looking for them.

At this point I have another launcher program written in C that catches the
notification event and launches the AppleScript sorter in the background. I
know this may be rather perverse too but I can't find a way to get the
AppleScript sorter to run in the background on notification. Is there a
way?


Best-


Greg
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 26 Aug 1994 10:49:18 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Finder Reference

>It's true, "file" doesn't work, but "alias" does! I tried:

In your example, it works, but not when the alias reference is used to fulfil
a location parameter for commands such as Copy or Make Alias.

Danny
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 26 Aug 1994 07:53:57 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jeff Mealiffe <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scripting Now Up-To-Date
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

I would like to implement a gateway between our UNIX system and Now
Up-To-Date using the Script Daemon application from Peter Lewis.  Does
anyone out there have some idea as to what script commands I need to send
Now Up-To-Date to get a listing of every event (with name, description,
event type, and everything else) in the current month and next month?
This info would need to be returned in some sort of delimited format that
could then be processed by a unix shell script utilizing grep and cut.
Please let me know if you have any ideas.

Thanks,
-jeff

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=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 26 Aug 1994 11:06:04 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         INRA000 <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re[2]: Receiving raw Apple Events in scripts
In-Reply-To:  In reply to your message of THU 25 AUG 1994 16:13:36 EDT

>Yes and no.  It SEEMS as if you should be able to write soemthing like
>on notice -- the 2.1 notification message
>
>just like you write "on open"
>
>But it compiles as a procedure and NOT as an event handler.  (To see the
>difference, compile "on open" with special formatting for 'variables.')
[...]
>It's ugly and I don't like it, but nobody's been able to tell me (or Steve)
>how to tell Applescript that notice is NOT a variable but the name of an
>event.

    A product of mine, File Tracker, uses "Attached" scripts and can
send notifications, and thus requires the ability to write scripts with
handlers for its Apple Events. The only solution I could come up with
(Which I'm currently using) was to write a dummy OSAX that contained the
'aete' resource for the necessary events and stick it in the System
Folder. In this way, the OSAX's terminology is added to the System's,
and one can successfully write stuff like 'on mySpecialEvent myParam
theParam' in the Script Editor and it will compile correctly. I call the
OSAX an 'enabler' and point out in the docs that it has to be in the
Scripting Extensions folder for the Script Editor to recognize FT's
terminology in scripts. Seems to work pretty well.

    This, of course, isn't the optimal solution, and I would be very
interested in hearing if someone has a better idea.

    Cheers,

    Mark Aiken
    [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 26 Aug 1994 11:15:34 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Brown <[e-mail]>
Subject:      KeyQuencer and keypad codes

        I'm trying out KeyQuencer to automate part of a vt100 session.
KeyQuencer looks to be very useful, but I'm having a problem getting it to
generate a keypad press.  The Key command appears to allow use of keycodes,
but I have no idea what the codes are or what the syntax is (it looks like
I need to specify an ascii code with a keycode).  Has anyone done this
recently?  I tried sending the vt100 Esc code equivalent, but I can't get
that to work either.  I'm using Telnet 2.6.

-- Dave
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 26 Aug 1994 11:48:44 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Schettino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scripting Now Up-To-Date

>I would like to implement a gateway between our UNIX system and Now
>Up-To-Date using the Script Daemon application from Peter Lewis.  Does
>anyone out there have some idea as to what script commands I need to send
>Now Up-To-Date to get a listing of every event (with name, description,
>event type, and everything else) in the current month and next month?
>This info would need to be returned in some sort of delimited format that
>could then be processed by a unix shell script utilizing grep and cut.
>Please let me know if you have any ideas.

Oddly enough, you can look on gaea.kgs.ukans.edu in
/applescripts/scripts/Newton_Scripts

I have a nice export script for NUD called 'export calendar to Newton' that
does 99% of what you want. Check it out.

- john

-----------------------------------------
[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
John Schettino                Waltham, MA
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 26 Aug 1994 11:17:03 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scripting Now Up-To-Date
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Fri, 26 Aug 94 11:48:44 EDT"

>>I would like to implement a gateway between our UNIX system and Now
>>Up-To-Date using the Script Daemon application from Peter Lewis.  Does
>>anyone out there have some idea as to what script commands I need to send
>>Now Up-To-Date to get a listing of every event (with name, description,
>>event type, and everything else) in the current month and next month?
>>This info would need to be returned in some sort of delimited format that
>>could then be processed by a unix shell script utilizing grep and cut.
>>Please let me know if you have any ideas.
>
>Oddly enough, you can look on gaea.kgs.ukans.edu in
>/applescripts/scripts/Newton_Scripts
>
>I have a nice export script for NUD called 'export calendar to Newton' that
>does 99% of what you want. Check it out.

You might also want to check

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/scripts/NUDSamples.hqx

Have fun.

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 26 Aug 1994 12:25:19 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re[2]: Receiving raw Apple Events in scripts

On 8/26/94, INRA000 wrote about event handlers:

> write a dummy OSAX that contained the 'aete' resource for the necessary
> events and stick it in the System Folder. In this way, the OSAX's
> terminology is added to the System's, and one can successfully write stuff
> like 'on mySpecialEvent myParam theParam' in the Script Editor and it will
> compile correctly.

Just a few moments ago, in the shower preparing to leave for the Midwest
(JUST as we get an interesting topic! of course) I was wondering if exactly
this approach would work.

>     This, of course, isn't the optimal solution, and I would be very
> interested in hearing if someone has a better idea.

But, it WORKS.  And AppleScript as wrtten does not.  (Furthermore, i think
this proves my claim that there really IS no way to write event handlers IN
AS.  The problem I've been running up against is that therer seems to be no
way to tell AS that something is NOT a procedure.)

This kind of fix shouldn't be neccesary, tho--AppleScript should be able to
provide the syntactic sugar if the user TELLS it to inside a script.  The
necessary information is right inside the application already, innit?

Syntax should prevent the user from ever having to write <<Event mumble>>
in a script--they claim this is a high-level language!  I wish AS had a
proper (or even a crude) syntactic extension facility--it would be really
nice if, when one wanted a case statement, one could just WRITE it by
extending the syntax.  (A good compiler and a well-written syntactic
extension and this approach adds NO overhead to the resulting code.)  I got
really spoiled by writing in Scheme, I guess.  <grin>

Can you post details on what you did and how you did it?
I know zilch about aetes--yet.

~ Kiran

--
6216 41st Avenue Hyattsville MD 20782 301/779-0756 <[e-mail]>
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 26 Aug 1994 11:37:59 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Shaff <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Quit from applets

Greetings,

AppleScript with its varried syntax and extensions is a blast, in all senses of
the word.  I have an applet which remains open for the vast duration of its
life.  It is basically a network interface for a small database.  When it comes
time for it to quit, I want to have a piece of conditional code:

on quit {}
        if gProjectDatabase = false then
                StopRegistration
        end if

        -- pass quit
end quit

How do I refer to 'super' quit?

Humbled,

Michael
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 26 Aug 1994 14:21:52 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      ScriptBase

Several of us have mentioned ScriptBase from Main Event. I requested a better
description, and I'll append what I got. I'll post a press release on gaea
whenever I get it decodeded properly. I think it has the price in it.

Enjoy.
pf

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

ScriptBase is a database for storing persistent variables and objects to be
made available for global access within AppleScript scripts.

Once installed, the database becomes part of the AppleScript system, adding a
set of commands to the basic AppleScript vocabulary.  Retrieving the objects is
simple using AppleScript's natural-language syntax and structure.  Objects can
be values from either AppleScript variables or scriptable applications.
Objects stored and retrieved in ScriptBase can be accessible any time from any
script anywhere  (applets/droplets, HyperCard, FaceSpan, imbedded scripts) on
the user's computer. These objects can be of any type, including numbers,
character strings, lists, records, scripts, and references to disks, files,
folders, as well as abstract raw data, to name just a few.

ScriptBase can be used to maintain system-wide settings, such as sets of
preferences, and paths to frequently-used files or folders. Complex
installations can be made easier by organizing data and scripts within the
database's structure.


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Fred Terry  Cadence Design Systems  [e-mail]  [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 26 Aug 1994 15:39:14 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Chris LeCroy <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FileMaker versions

Hi,

I'll spare you all the heated diatribe on the topic of Claris' lame habit
of changing the 'aete' every release and just ask questions.

I'm in a position where I have to write scripts that will function
regardless of the version of FileMaker Pro currently being executed.

Asking for the application's version property returns the number 131092 in
versions 2.1v2 and 2.1v3, so I haven't been able to rely upon that.

What I've done in the past is to figure out what was broken in prior
versions of FMP, and execute bits of code until it didn't fail.  For
example 2.0 didn't support "Count windows", 2.1v1 doesn't support "get
version", etc.

With the release of 2.1v3, I haven't been able to find anything at the
application level that will cause a failure in 2.1v2 and not in 2.1v3.
Unfortunately, there's no real guarantee that I have a database open, so I
can't take advantage of the fact that numeric ID properties and things like
will fail in 2.1v2 when databases are open.

Any suggestions?  Am I wrong about the version property not working?  Is
there a better way to deal with this problem?  I suspect I'll be adding a
'vers' reading osax to my app.  At least that would solve the problem
permanently... and I probably could have been mostly done in the time it's
taken to write this posting. ;-)

Somewhat off the topic, was there ever a consensus on how we're all going
to deal with naming conflicts between 'aete's, osaxen, etc?  Since
apparently you can do "tell document ..." to point to a specific osax, is
it really really even a problem?  I just got done playing with an app that
used the word "file" as its "table" term. It caused problems when
attempting to use file specifications inside a "tell application..." block.


Thanks for any pointers...


---
Chris LeCroy - [e-mail]
SouthBeach Software Corp.
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 26 Aug 1994 16:10:06 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         INRA000 <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Receiving raw Apple Events in scripts
In-Reply-To:  In reply to your message of FRI 26 AUG 1994 04:25:19 EDT

>On 8/26/94, INRA000 wrote about event handlers:
>But, it WORKS.  And AppleScript as wrtten does not.  (Furthermore, i think
>this proves my claim that there really IS no way to write event handlers IN
>AS.  The problem I've been running up against is that therer seems to be no
>way to tell AS that something is NOT a procedure.)
[Zap]
>Can you post details on what you did and how you did it?
>I know zilch about aetes--yet.

    An 'aete' resource is an Apple Event TErminology resource, the
resource that attaches AppleScript's internal four-letter codes for
event and parameter types to human-readable terms that can be written
in scripts. The problem we're running into here is that AS seems to only
consider terminology that is part of the System aete (i.e, terminology
that the System recognizes in virtue of its built-in capabilities as
well as any add-on capabilities provided by Scripting Extensions
(OSAXen)) when compiling event handlers. As a result, one can't write
a handler for an event that is defined by an Application and not nor-
mally recognized by the System, at least not in the Script Editor.

    The workaround I used was to write a dummy OSAX (Scripting
Extension) that doesn't actually contain any working code, but that
*does* contain the prescribed 'aete' resource for OSAXen. By dropping
this dummy OSAX in your System Folder, its terminology is added to the
System's, and voila, the Script Editor will compile event handlers for
the events defined in the OSAX's 'aete' resource.

    I understand, although I have never written an app to test this
myself, that apps that allow you to write scripts from within them,
such as a hypothetical attachable and tinkerable app, don't have this
problem because the Component Manager consults the app's 'aete'
resource when compiling, even in the case of event handlers. I think
Apple only considered the case of attachable/tinkerable apps when
setting things up their current way, and didn't realize that the cur-
rent situation creates a problems for applications such as Eudora and
my own File Tracker, that rely on AS applets containing handlers for
special events.

    Another solution to this problem would be to ship a custom Script
Editor with apps such as FT and Eudora, that contain the necessary
terminology and can therefore serve as tools for writing scripts with
the necessary event handlers. ;-)

    Cheers,

    Mark Aiken
    [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 26 Aug 1994 13:20:40 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Peter Speck <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Receiving raw Apple Events in scripts

>    The workaround I used was to write a dummy OSAX (Scripting
>Extension) that doesn't actually contain any working code, but that
>*does* contain the prescribed 'aete' resource for OSAXen. By dropping
>this dummy OSAX in your System Folder, its terminology is added to the
>System's, and voila, the Script Editor will compile event handlers for
>the events defined in the OSAX's 'aete' resource.


I have had somewhat the same problem.

If I write

copy (MagicFunction()) to appleRef
tell appleRef
   set pan 3 of mixer 2 to 0.2
end tell

then it won't compile because it doesn't know the aete of my special app.

There should be some extension, like:

copy (MagicFunction()) to appleRef
with AppleScriptDictionary of "MagicMixer"
  tell appleRef
     set pan 3 of mixer 2 to 0.2
  end tell
end AppleScriptDictionary

---
Peter Speck
                             (And it was eleven o'clock
                              which was time for a little something)
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 26 Aug 1994 14:48:10 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Shaff <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Cooperating with apps

Greetings,

Pity the script writer!  The task of cooperating with applications becomes such
a tiresome detail.  Does anyone know if Adobe plans on recognizing OSA?

I would have thought that activate was not dependent on an application's good
behaviour.  Not apparently so:

activate application "Premiere @ 18Mb"

times out.

Is there a more robust way of accomplishing a context switch?

Thanks!

Michael
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 26 Aug 1994 16:32:18 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Quit from applets
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Fri, 26 Aug 1994, Mike Shaff wrote:

> life.  It is basically a network interface for a small database.  When it come
s
> time for it to quit, I want to have a piece of conditional code:

on quit()
end quit

should work.

Derrick
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 26 Aug 1994 16:41:29 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Brian Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject:      receiving raw events/eudora

>Date:    Thu, 25 Aug 1994 17:20:30 -0700
>From:    Roel Vertegaal <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Receiving raw Apple Events in scripts
>
>I am working on a mail parsing and announcement script which should run in
>the background and utilize the Eudora notification event "ENot".
>I would like to write something like:
>
>on Appleevent class CSOm event ENot
>-- announce something
>end
>
>Is this possible and what is the correct syntax?

As far as I can tell, this does not work.  I have been in contact with
several people via e-mail that are also trying to do this.  ARGH!

For the moment, my scripts poll eudora - yuck!  On the other hand, what
they do is pretty cool! (forward mail to text pager with some rules).

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=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 26 Aug 1994 21:04:27 -0300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Bill Hutten <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Getting custom icons in AppleScript

I'm writing a script that has to get the "preview" icons from files saved
in PhotoShop. A little ResEdit work reveals that these custom icons are
stored in icl8 resource -16455 in each PhotoShop file.

How do I retrieve this resource? Do I need an osax? Ideally, I'd like to be
able to convert the icl8 to a PICT.....

Any help appreciated, I'm new at this AppleScript game...



- bill
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 26 Aug 1994 17:43:07 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Eric Gorr <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Apple Script Books

Are there any books on apple script that people would recommend?


===Eric Gorr================[e-mail]===========aka MystryMan===
_____
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| O | * Therefore the considerations of the intelligent always include both
|/_\|   benefit and harm (Sun Tzu)

#include <standard.disclamer>
=====Insults, like violence, are the last resort of the incompetent...=====
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 26 Aug 1994 18:08:05 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Shaff <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Getting custom icons in AppleScript
In-Reply-To:  Bill Hutten's message of Fri,
              26 Aug 1994 21:04:27 -0300
              <[e-mail]>

Greetings,

Bill Hutten wrote:

        I'm writing a script that has to get the "preview" icons from files
        saved in PhotoShop. A little ResEdit work reveals that these custom
        icons are stored in icl8 resource -16455 in each PhotoShop file.

        How do I retrieve this resource? Do I need an osax? Ideally, I'd like
        to be able to convert the icl8 to a PICT.....

I am also interested in the results of your quest.  I am building a video
project manager and one of the issues I am looking to cover is 'orphan' files.
Files created or digitized by the user which have been saved into an
application, system, or otherwise unintended folder.  Showing a preview icon
(if available) is a meaningful addition.

You will find the GTQ library on gaea.kgs.ukans.edu (this ftp server will
become a frequent mining site for you).  It has:

Extract Resource

and other resource manipulators.  If this is part of an dialog interface then
perhaps Dialog Runner (also at gaea) could be cajoled into displaying the icl8?

I would value some more experienced 'connectors' comments...

Michael
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 26 Aug 1994 18:19:51 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Shaff <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Walk folders

Greetings,

I am not certain how to phrase my question.  With that caveat:

What are the performance characteristics of the Walk Folder command from Jon's
Commands (found on gaea)?

I am more interested in its 'feel' than its theoretical nature.

Thanks.

Michael
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 27 Aug 1994 00:36:54 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Receiving raw Apple Events in scripts

Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>If anyone has an example of an event handler for an event other than the
>four required ones, I haven't seen it.
>
>But you CAN write a handler if you use those pesky angle brackets.
>
>on <<event CSOmeNot>>
>do stuff
>end
>
>--the angle brackets are special characters.
>
>It's ugly and I don't like it, but nobody's been able to tell me (or Steve)
>how to tell Applescript that notice is NOT a variable but the name of an
>event.

Well, I know how, but it's not quite the answer you were expecting.  In
fact, you are correct in that AppleScript can't handle general AppleEvents
worth a damn.  Mind you, I haven't actually done this, but I do know what
is involved.

First off, you don't send some custom event like CSOmeNot.  You send an
event that AppleScript knows, the Subroutine event.  It is listed in the
AppleScript suite document which is in the Registry folder of the
AppleScript 1.0 and 1.1 CDs.

Essentially, the subroutine event includes a lowercase string for the
procedure name and a record of parameters.  You send "notify" and the
parameters.  Now you write "on notify" in your script and everything works.

                                -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Mark Aiken <[e-mail]> wrote:
>    I understand, although I have never written an app to test this
>myself, that apps that allow you to write scripts from within them,
>such as a hypothetical attachable and tinkerable app, don't have this
>problem because the Component Manager consults the app's 'aete'
>resource when compiling, even in the case of event handlers. I think
>Apple only considered the case of attachable/tinkerable apps when
>setting things up their current way, and didn't realize that the cur-
>rent situation creates a problems for applications such as Eudora and
>my own File Tracker, that rely on AS applets containing handlers for
>special events.
>
>    Another solution to this problem would be to ship a custom Script
>Editor with apps such as FT and Eudora, that contain the necessary
>terminology and can therefore serve as tools for writing scripts with
>the necessary event handlers. ;-)

The component manager doesn't do squat except route OSA calls to the
AppleScript component.  The AppleScript component is the one who sends an
event to grab an aete and use it while compiling.  Just nitpicking.  ;)

As for the "hypothetical" Hypercard, it uses these subroutine events for
all of its internal messages.  I recommend that you use them too.  That way
you could even write your notification in HyperTalk, and you won't have to
invent or register your own 4 character codes either.

                                -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Here's the relevant passage from the AppleScript Suite document from the
1.0 CD (my 1.1 CD is at the cleaners ;).  All of the constants are defined
in AppleScript.h.

Jon

                                -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Subroutine Call - Call a user-defined subroutine

The subroutine event is sent for calls to user-defined subroutines.  They
contain the name of the event as a text string, and any parameters for the
event.  A standard set of prepositional parameters are available.

Event Class     kASAppleScriptSuite     'ascr'
Event ID        kASSubroutineEvent      'psbr'

Parameters

keyDirectObject
        Description:            The target, or list of arguments
        Descriptor Type:        typeObjectSpecifier or typeAEList
        Required or Optional?   Optional
keyASSubroutineName
        Description:            The subroutine name
        Descriptor Type:        typeChar
        Required or Optional?   Required
keyASPrepositionAt
keyASPrepositionAt
keyASPrepositionIn
keyASPrepositionFrom
keyASPrepositionFor
keyASPrepositionTo
keyASPrepositionThru
keyASPrepositionThrough
keyASPrepositionBy
keyASPrepositionOn
keyASPrepositionInto
keyASPrepositionOnto
keyASPrepositionBetween
keyASPrepositionAgainst
keyASPrepositionOutOf
keyASPrepositionInsteadOf
keyASPrepositionAsideFrom
keyASPrepositionAround
keyASPrepositionBeside
keyASPrepositionBeneath
keyASPrepositionUnder
keyASPrepositionOver
keyASPrepositionAbove
keyASPrepositionBelow
keyASPrepositionApartFrom
keyASPrepositionAbout
keyASPrepositionSince
keyASPrepositionUntil
        Description:            Named prepositional parameters
        Descriptor Type:        typeWildCard
        Required or Optional?   Optional
keyASUserRecordFields
        Description:            Parameters with user-defined names
        Descriptor Type:        typeUserRecordFields
        Required or Optional?   Optional

Reply Parameters

keyAEResult
        Description:            The result of the subroutine call
        Descriptor Type:        typeWildCard
        Required or Optional?   Optional
(see Replies section for additional error reply parameters)


typeUserRecordFields - List of user-defined record fields

A typeUserRecordFields descriptor record specifies a list of user-defined
record fields - their names and values.  The list contains alternating name
value pairs, where each name is typeIntlText and each value is of any type.


Data Size       Variable
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 27 Aug 1994 00:37:03 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Quit from applets

Mike Shaff <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>on quit {}
>        if gProjectDatabase = false then
>                StopRegistration
>        end if
>
>        -- pass quit
>end quit
>
>How do I refer to 'super' quit?

continue quit


Remember, if you have a script that you can't quit because you forgot this,
simply hold down the SHIFT key and your quit handler will not be called.

Who's got the FAQ?  Is this tip in it?

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 27 Aug 1994 00:37:10 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Getting custom icons in AppleScript

Bill Hutten <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I'm writing a script that has to get the "preview" icons from files saved
>in PhotoShop. A little ResEdit work reveals that these custom icons are
>stored in icl8 resource -16455 in each PhotoShop file.
>
>How do I retrieve this resource? Do I need an osax? Ideally, I'd like to be
>able to convert the icl8 to a PICT.....

Scriptable Finder!

tell application "Finder"
    set theIcon to icon of file "foo"
end tell

Now what are you going to do with it?  This is an "icon family" data
record.  It has properties corresponding to the various icon resources.
You can seperate them with "<<class icl8>> of theIcon" but I don't think
this really helps.  I don't see any way to make this into a picture, and a
resource osax wouldn't help since it couldn't make it into a picture
either.

I see this as a limitation of the scriptable Finder.  If you do a copy from
the Get Info dialog, you get a picture too.  Ah well, nothing's perfect.

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 27 Aug 1994 00:37:13 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Walk folders

Mike Shaff <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I am not certain how to phrase my question.  With that caveat:
>
>What are the performance characteristics of the Walk Folder command from Jo=
n's
>Commands (found on gaea)?
>
>I am more interested in its 'feel' than its theoretical nature.

Well, I was more interested in code simplicity than performance, but I'm
certain that it out-performs a comparable script.  Nevertheless, I did some
timing tests. Here's the script:


script foo
        property c : 0
        on open (theFile)
                set c to c + 1
                return c
        end open
end script

set startTime to current date
set c to walk folders alias "AppleScript=81:" with script foo
set endTime to current date
set secs to endTime - startTime
{c, secs, c / secs}


Here are the results:

files          seconds       files/sec
  213 (8M)        20            10.7      My Info-Mac junk folder (disk 1)
  461 (9M)        40            11.5      My AppleScript collectables (disk =
1)
  882 (29M)       53            16.6      My PhotoFlash sources (disk 2)
  652 (70M)       22            29.6      The AppleScript 1.0 CD
15577 (473M)    1301            12.0      All of Disk 1

Wow!  It's 3 times faster off CD than off my HD?  I don't know why that is.
I'll investigate, but if anyone wants to email me their results (don't
reply to the list!), I'll see if they help explain things.  ;)

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 27 Aug 1994 02:00:36 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Quit from applets

>Greetings,
>
>AppleScript with its varried syntax and extensions is a blast, in all senses of
>the word.  I have an applet which remains open for the vast duration of its
>life.  It is basically a network interface for a small database.  When it comes
>time for it to quit, I want to have a piece of conditional code:
>
>on quit {}
>        if gProjectDatabase = false then
>                StopRegistration
>        end if
>
>        -- pass quit
>end quit

continue quit

is the way to say the "pass quit" above.
   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
When was the last time you checked out the ceiling tiles in a building you
were in?
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 27 Aug 1994 02:17:52 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FileMaker versions

>Hi,
>
>I'll spare you all the heated diatribe on the topic of Claris' lame habit
>of changing the 'aete' every release and just ask questions.

As opposed to leaving the 'aete' (or the events described by same) broken?


>I'm in a position where I have to write scripts that will function
>regardless of the version of FileMaker Pro currently being executed.
>
>Asking for the application's version property returns the number 131092 in
>versions 2.1v2 and 2.1v3, so I haven't been able to rely upon that.

Looks like an oversight.  In hex, that's 00020014, which argueably makes
some sort of sense for one of those versions.

>What I've done in the past is to figure out what was broken in prior
>versions of FMP, and execute bits of code until it didn't fail.  For
>example 2.0 didn't support "Count windows", 2.1v1 doesn't support "get
>version", etc.
>
>With the release of 2.1v3, I haven't been able to find anything at the
>application level that will cause a failure in 2.1v2 and not in 2.1v3.
>Unfortunately, there's no real guarantee that I have a database open, so I
>can't take advantage of the fact that numeric ID properties and things like
>will fail in 2.1v2 when databases are open.

If there is a condition (no databases open) in which you can't tell the
difference between 2.1v2 and 2.1v3, your don't care about the difference
<at that time>, do you?  If it does matter with a database open, do your
test at the first time you notice that the count of databases is not 0.

-------
However, you might try asking for the version as a string (and try some
other reasonable variations).  AppleScript installs a 'vers' to anything
coercion handler (presumably it doesn't actually coerce to anything, but
rather a subset of that.  But I see that FileMaker doesn't cooperate...it
returns a number anyhow, which gets enclosed in quotes.  [That's not how
the Registry suggests doing it...the Registry way does work:  I exercised
it in a toy app I wrote for a show-and-tell.  Floating point types work,
too, in the coercion handler, BTW.]

-------------
However (2), I note that my 2.1v2=80 returns a version of 131089 (00020011).
Mine was the result of passing 2.1v1 through the updater Claris uploaded.
My guess would be that the updaters neglect to update the number returned
as the version property.

    --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
When was the last time you checked out the ceiling tiles in a building you
were in?
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 27 Aug 1994 02:21:56 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FileMaker versions

>Somewhat off the topic, was there ever a consensus on how we're all going
>to deal with naming conflicts between 'aete's, osaxen, etc?  Since
>apparently you can do "tell document ..." to point to a specific osax, is
>it really really even a problem?  I just got done playing with an app that
>used the word "file" as its "table" term. It caused problems when
>attempting to use file specifications inside a "tell application..." block.

I'm dealing with the conflicts by installing only Scripting Additions I'm
actively using (and being selective about that).  AppleScript just sort of
uses one big namespace...redefining things like "file" is downright
unfriendly.

   --John [sorry about the double reply]

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
When was the last time you checked out the ceiling tiles in a building you
were in?
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 27 Aug 1994 02:32:42 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Cooperating with apps

>Greetings,
>
>Pity the script writer!  The task of cooperating with applications becomes such
>a tiresome detail.  Does anyone know if Adobe plans on recognizing OSA?
>
>I would have thought that activate was not dependent on an application's good
>behaviour.  Not apparently so:
>
>activate application "Premiere @ 18Mb"
>
>times out.
>
>Is there a more robust way of accomplishing a context switch?

Given the Scriptable Finder, yes.  This should do the trick:

tell application "Finder"
    set frontmost of process "Premiere @ 18Mb" to true
end tell

Without the Scriptable Finder, there may well be an osax (or 10)...I
haven't looked.  [It's trivial to write the osax code, unless there's a
"hidden" problem.]

  --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
When was the last time you checked out the ceiling tiles in a building you
were in?
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 27 Aug 1994 09:31:28 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jeff Boulter <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scripting PageMaker
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

I'm doing some scripting that involves PageMaker 5.0. I just found my
little coupon do order the Script Guide, but it won't be here for 6-8 weeks.

Could some kind soul with the Script Guide look up how do do the following:

Select All of the text in the story selected with the arrow tool
copy the text the clipboard

get the name of the frontmost document

Many thanks!

Jeff Boulter
Managing Editor
The Bucknellian

--
Jeff Boulter    [e-mail]   http://www.bucknell.edu/bucknellian/jeff
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 27 Aug 1994 12:30:23 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         [e-mail]
Subject:      Re: creation of a MacScripti...

Sorry if this is late and the thread already died, but I was away for two
weeks as I moved to school and would like to put in my two cents...

Basically, I've found that I appreciate the functions found on a news reader
much more than those of a mail reader.  I think it is much more convenient to
use a newsgroup than a mailing list.  With the ability to make both
simultaneously, I don't see the big problem everyone has.  It seems to me
that with both linked together, everyone is happy.

~Shaddar
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 27 Aug 1994 10:14:17 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Cohen <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Receiving raw Apple Events in scripts

At 12:36 AM 8/27/94 -0700, Jon Pugh wrote:

>First off, you don't send some custom event like CSOmeNot.  You send an
>event that AppleScript knows, the Subroutine event.  It is listed in the
>AppleScript suite document which is in the Registry folder of the
>AppleScript 1.0 and 1.1 CDs.

Tell that to Steve Dorner. Unfortunately, that's how Eudora works currently.

Another offender is GeoQuery. You'd expect to be able to send a GetData
event, but instead you send it a custom event and instead of getting the
result in the reply, it sends you a separate event with the results.

_______________________________________________________________
Mike Cohen           | ISIS International
[phone] Voice | [e-mail]           | ALink: D6734
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Home Page: file://ftp.netcom.com/pub/isis/home.html
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Date:         Sat, 27 Aug 1994 16:56:18 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Brian Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 25 Aug 1994 to 26 Aug 1994

Given that a few people suggested writing a OSAX to handle the Eudora "on
notify" problem, could someone try it out and post the result? This sounds
like the best interim solution.

Brian Hall, Mark/Space Softworks, 408-293-7299, [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 28 Aug 1994 06:11:54 -0500
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Date      : 27-AUG-1994 23:03:58.00
There are 12 messages totalling 495 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Receiving raw Apple Events in scripts (2)
  2. Quit from applets (2)
  3. Getting custom icons in AppleScript
  4. Walk folders
  5. FileMaker versions (2)
  6. Cooperating with apps
  7. Scripting PageMaker
  8. creation of a MacScripti...
  9. MACSCRPT Digest - 25 Aug 1994 to 26 Aug 1994

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Date:    Sat, 27 Aug 1994 00:36:54 -0700
From:    Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Receiving raw Apple Events in scripts

Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>If anyone has an example of an event handler for an event other than the
>four required ones, I haven't seen it.
>
>But you CAN write a handler if you use those pesky angle brackets.
>
>on <<event CSOmeNot>>
>do stuff
>end
>
>--the angle brackets are special characters.
>
>It's ugly and I don't like it, but nobody's been able to tell me (or Steve)
>how to tell Applescript that notice is NOT a variable but the name of an
>event.

Well, I know how, but it's not quite the answer you were expecting.  In
fact, you are correct in that AppleScript can't handle general AppleEvents
worth a damn.  Mind you, I haven't actually done this, but I do know what
is involved.

First off, you don't send some custom event like CSOmeNot.  You send an
event that AppleScript knows, the Subroutine event.  It is listed in the
AppleScript suite document which is in the Registry folder of the
AppleScript 1.0 and 1.1 CDs.

Essentially, the subroutine event includes a lowercase string for the
procedure name and a record of parameters.  You send "notify" and the
parameters.  Now you write "on notify" in your script and everything works.

                                -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Mark Aiken <[e-mail]> wrote:
>    I understand, although I have never written an app to test this
>myself, that apps that allow you to write scripts from within them,
>such as a hypothetical attachable and tinkerable app, don't have this
>problem because the Component Manager consults the app's 'aete'
>resource when compiling, even in the case of event handlers. I think
>Apple only considered the case of attachable/tinkerable apps when
>setting things up their current way, and didn't realize that the cur-
>rent situation creates a problems for applications such as Eudora and
>my own File Tracker, that rely on AS applets containing handlers for
>special events.
>
>    Another solution to this problem would be to ship a custom Script
>Editor with apps such as FT and Eudora, that contain the necessary
>terminology and can therefore serve as tools for writing scripts with
>the necessary event handlers. ;-)

The component manager doesn't do squat except route OSA calls to the
AppleScript component.  The AppleScript component is the one who sends an
event to grab an aete and use it while compiling.  Just nitpicking.  ;)

As for the "hypothetical" Hypercard, it uses these subroutine events for
all of its internal messages.  I recommend that you use them too.  That way
you could even write your notification in HyperTalk, and you won't have to
invent or register your own 4 character codes either.

                                -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Here's the relevant passage from the AppleScript Suite document from the
1.0 CD (my 1.1 CD is at the cleaners ;).  All of the constants are defined
in AppleScript.h.

Jon

                                -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Subroutine Call - Call a user-defined subroutine

The subroutine event is sent for calls to user-defined subroutines.  They
contain the name of the event as a text string, and any parameters for the
event.  A standard set of prepositional parameters are available.

Event Class     kASAppleScriptSuite     'ascr'
Event ID        kASSubroutineEvent      'psbr'

Parameters

keyDirectObject
        Description:            The target, or list of arguments
        Descriptor Type:        typeObjectSpecifier or typeAEList
        Required or Optional?   Optional
keyASSubroutineName
        Description:            The subroutine name
        Descriptor Type:        typeChar
        Required or Optional?   Required
keyASPrepositionAt
keyASPrepositionAt
keyASPrepositionIn
keyASPrepositionFrom
keyASPrepositionFor
keyASPrepositionTo
keyASPrepositionThru
keyASPrepositionThrough
keyASPrepositionBy
keyASPrepositionOn
keyASPrepositionInto
keyASPrepositionOnto
keyASPrepositionBetween
keyASPrepositionAgainst
keyASPrepositionOutOf
keyASPrepositionInsteadOf
keyASPrepositionAsideFrom
keyASPrepositionAround
keyASPrepositionBeside
keyASPrepositionBeneath
keyASPrepositionUnder
keyASPrepositionOver
keyASPrepositionAbove
keyASPrepositionBelow
keyASPrepositionApartFrom
keyASPrepositionAbout
keyASPrepositionSince
keyASPrepositionUntil
        Description:            Named prepositional parameters
        Descriptor Type:        typeWildCard
        Required or Optional?   Optional
keyASUserRecordFields
        Description:            Parameters with user-defined names
        Descriptor Type:        typeUserRecordFields
        Required or Optional?   Optional

Reply Parameters

keyAEResult
        Description:            The result of the subroutine call
        Descriptor Type:        typeWildCard
        Required or Optional?   Optional
(see Replies section for additional error reply parameters)


typeUserRecordFields - List of user-defined record fields

A typeUserRecordFields descriptor record specifies a list of user-defined
record fields - their names and values.  The list contains alternating name
value pairs, where each name is typeIntlText and each value is of any type.


Data Size       Variable

------------------------------

Date:    Sat, 27 Aug 1994 00:37:03 -0700
From:    Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Quit from applets

Mike Shaff <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>on quit {}
>        if gProjectDatabase = false then
>                StopRegistration
>        end if
>
>        -- pass quit
>end quit
>
>How do I refer to 'super' quit?

continue quit


Remember, if you have a script that you can't quit because you forgot this,
simply hold down the SHIFT key and your quit handler will not be called.

Who's got the FAQ?  Is this tip in it?

Jon

------------------------------

Date:    Sat, 27 Aug 1994 00:37:10 -0700
From:    Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Getting custom icons in AppleScript

Bill Hutten <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I'm writing a script that has to get the "preview" icons from files saved
>in PhotoShop. A little ResEdit work reveals that these custom icons are
>stored in icl8 resource -16455 in each PhotoShop file.
>
>How do I retrieve this resource? Do I need an osax? Ideally, I'd like to be
>able to convert the icl8 to a PICT.....

Scriptable Finder!

tell application "Finder"
    set theIcon to icon of file "foo"
end tell

Now what are you going to do with it?  This is an "icon family" data
record.  It has properties corresponding to the various icon resources.
You can seperate them with "<<class icl8>> of theIcon" but I don't think
this really helps.  I don't see any way to make this into a picture, and a
resource osax wouldn't help since it couldn't make it into a picture
either.

I see this as a limitation of the scriptable Finder.  If you do a copy from
the Get Info dialog, you get a picture too.  Ah well, nothing's perfect.

Jon

------------------------------

Date:    Sat, 27 Aug 1994 00:37:13 -0700
From:    Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Walk folders

Mike Shaff <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I am not certain how to phrase my question.  With that caveat:
>
>What are the performance characteristics of the Walk Folder command from Jo=
n's
>Commands (found on gaea)?
>
>I am more interested in its 'feel' than its theoretical nature.

Well, I was more interested in code simplicity than performance, but I'm
certain that it out-performs a comparable script.  Nevertheless, I did some
timing tests. Here's the script:


script foo
        property c : 0
        on open (theFile)
                set c to c + 1
                return c
        end open
end script

set startTime to current date
set c to walk folders alias "AppleScript=81:" with script foo
set endTime to current date
set secs to endTime - startTime
{c, secs, c / secs}


Here are the results:

files          seconds       files/sec
  213 (8M)        20            10.7      My Info-Mac junk folder (disk 1)
  461 (9M)        40            11.5      My AppleScript collectables (disk =
1)
  882 (29M)       53            16.6      My PhotoFlash sources (disk 2)
  652 (70M)       22            29.6      The AppleScript 1.0 CD
15577 (473M)    1301            12.0      All of Disk 1

Wow!  It's 3 times faster off CD than off my HD?  I don't know why that is.
I'll investigate, but if anyone wants to email me their results (don't
reply to the list!), I'll see if they help explain things.  ;)

Jon

------------------------------

Date:    Sat, 27 Aug 1994 02:00:36 -0700
From:    "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Quit from applets

>Greetings,
>
>AppleScript with its varried syntax and extensions is a blast, in all senses of
>the word.  I have an applet which remains open for the vast duration of its
>life.  It is basically a network interface for a small database.  When it comes
>time for it to quit, I want to have a piece of conditional code:
>
>on quit {}
>        if gProjectDatabase = false then
>                StopRegistration
>        end if
>
>        -- pass quit
>end quit

continue quit

is the way to say the "pass quit" above.
   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
When was the last time you checked out the ceiling tiles in a building you
were in?

------------------------------

Date:    Sat, 27 Aug 1994 02:17:52 -0700
From:    "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: FileMaker versions

>Hi,
>
>I'll spare you all the heated diatribe on the topic of Claris' lame habit
>of changing the 'aete' every release and just ask questions.

As opposed to leaving the 'aete' (or the events described by same) broken?


>I'm in a position where I have to write scripts that will function
>regardless of the version of FileMaker Pro currently being executed.
>
>Asking for the application's version property returns the number 131092 in
>versions 2.1v2 and 2.1v3, so I haven't been able to rely upon that.

Looks like an oversight.  In hex, that's 00020014, which argueably makes
some sort of sense for one of those versions.

>What I've done in the past is to figure out what was broken in prior
>versions of FMP, and execute bits of code until it didn't fail.  For
>example 2.0 didn't support "Count windows", 2.1v1 doesn't support "get
>version", etc.
>
>With the release of 2.1v3, I haven't been able to find anything at the
>application level that will cause a failure in 2.1v2 and not in 2.1v3.
>Unfortunately, there's no real guarantee that I have a database open, so I
>can't take advantage of the fact that numeric ID properties and things like
>will fail in 2.1v2 when databases are open.

If there is a condition (no databases open) in which you can't tell the
difference between 2.1v2 and 2.1v3, your don't care about the difference
<at that time>, do you?  If it does matter with a database open, do your
test at the first time you notice that the count of databases is not 0.

-------
However, you might try asking for the version as a string (and try some
other reasonable variations).  AppleScript installs a 'vers' to anything
coercion handler (presumably it doesn't actually coerce to anything, but
rather a subset of that.  But I see that FileMaker doesn't cooperate...it
returns a number anyhow, which gets enclosed in quotes.  [That's not how
the Registry suggests doing it...the Registry way does work:  I exercised
it in a toy app I wrote for a show-and-tell.  Floating point types work,
too, in the coercion handler, BTW.]

-------------
However (2), I note that my 2.1v2=80 returns a version of 131089 (00020011).
Mine was the result of passing 2.1v1 through the updater Claris uploaded.
My guess would be that the updaters neglect to update the number returned
as the version property.

    --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
When was the last time you checked out the ceiling tiles in a building you
were in?

------------------------------

Date:    Sat, 27 Aug 1994 02:21:56 -0700
From:    "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: FileMaker versions

>Somewhat off the topic, was there ever a consensus on how we're all going
>to deal with naming conflicts between 'aete's, osaxen, etc?  Since
>apparently you can do "tell document ..." to point to a specific osax, is
>it really really even a problem?  I just got done playing with an app that
>used the word "file" as its "table" term. It caused problems when
>attempting to use file specifications inside a "tell application..." block.

I'm dealing with the conflicts by installing only Scripting Additions I'm
actively using (and being selective about that).  AppleScript just sort of
uses one big namespace...redefining things like "file" is downright
unfriendly.

   --John [sorry about the double reply]

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
When was the last time you checked out the ceiling tiles in a building you
were in?

------------------------------

Date:    Sat, 27 Aug 1994 02:32:42 -0700
From:    "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Cooperating with apps

>Greetings,
>
>Pity the script writer!  The task of cooperating with applications becomes such
>a tiresome detail.  Does anyone know if Adobe plans on recognizing OSA?
>
>I would have thought that activate was not dependent on an application's good
>behaviour.  Not apparently so:
>
>activate application "Premiere @ 18Mb"
>
>times out.
>
>Is there a more robust way of accomplishing a context switch?

Given the Scriptable Finder, yes.  This should do the trick:

tell application "Finder"
    set frontmost of process "Premiere @ 18Mb" to true
end tell

Without the Scriptable Finder, there may well be an osax (or 10)...I
haven't looked.  [It's trivial to write the osax code, unless there's a
"hidden" problem.]

  --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
When was the last time you checked out the ceiling tiles in a building you
were in?

------------------------------

Date:    Sat, 27 Aug 1994 09:31:28 -0400
From:    Jeff Boulter <[e-mail]>
Subject: Scripting PageMaker

I'm doing some scripting that involves PageMaker 5.0. I just found my
little coupon do order the Script Guide, but it won't be here for 6-8 weeks.

Could some kind soul with the Script Guide look up how do do the following:

Select All of the text in the story selected with the arrow tool
copy the text the clipboard

get the name of the frontmost document

Many thanks!

Jeff Boulter
Managing Editor
The Bucknellian

--
Jeff Boulter    [e-mail]   http://www.bucknell.edu/bucknellian/jeff

------------------------------

Date:    Sat, 27 Aug 1994 12:30:23 EDT
From:    [e-mail]
Subject: Re: creation of a MacScripti...

Sorry if this is late and the thread already died, but I was away for two
weeks as I moved to school and would like to put in my two cents...

Basically, I've found that I appreciate the functions found on a news reader
much more than those of a mail reader.  I think it is much more convenient to
use a newsgroup than a mailing list.  With the ability to make both
simultaneously, I don't see the big problem everyone has.  It seems to me
that with both linked together, everyone is happy.

~Shaddar

------------------------------

Date:    Sat, 27 Aug 1994 10:14:17 -0800
From:    Mike Cohen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Receiving raw Apple Events in scripts

At 12:36 AM 8/27/94 -0700, Jon Pugh wrote:

>First off, you don't send some custom event like CSOmeNot.  You send an
>event that AppleScript knows, the Subroutine event.  It is listed in the
>AppleScript suite document which is in the Registry folder of the
>AppleScript 1.0 and 1.1 CDs.

Tell that to Steve Dorner. Unfortunately, that's how Eudora works currently.

Another offender is GeoQuery. You'd expect to be able to send a GetData
event, but instead you send it a custom event and instead of getting the
result in the reply, it sends you a separate event with the results.

_______________________________________________________________
Mike Cohen           | ISIS International
[phone] Voice | [e-mail]           | ALink: D6734
[phone] Fax   | NewtonMail, eWorld: MikeC | AOL: MikeC20
Home Page: file://ftp.netcom.com/pub/isis/home.html

------------------------------

Date:    Sat, 27 Aug 1994 16:56:18 -0800
From:    Brian Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 25 Aug 1994 to 26 Aug 1994

Given that a few people suggested writing a OSAX to handle the Eudora "on
notify" problem, could someone try it out and post the result? This sounds
like the best interim solution.

Brian Hall, Mark/Space Softworks, 408-293-7299, [e-mail]

------------------------------

End of MACSCRPT Digest - 26 Aug 1994 to 27 Aug 1994
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=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 28 Aug 1994 09:46:23 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kee Nethery [phone] <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scriptable Fax Modem?

I'd like a fax modem that can receive faxes and automatically run them
through an OCR and save them as a text file. Any ideas?

Maybe there is fax software out there that will do all of this without
AppleScript?

Maybe there is fax software that will save incoming faxes as individual
graphics file and then there is a scriptable OCR package that can be told
to read individual graphic files?

Maybe for now all I can get is a fax modem that saves the files
individually into a format that I could manually OCR with any OCR package?

Any ideas?

Kee Nethery
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 28 Aug 1994 09:44:53 -1000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Pete Hinely <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Walk folders
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

I did a speed comparison of my folder and file processor to Jon's Commands
"walk folder" command.

RESULT:  Jon's Commands came out the clear winner.  It was about 6 times
faster.

Here are the applets I made for the test:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
property c : 0

on open (theFilesAndFolders)
        set c to 0
        set startTime to current date
        RecursionNavigate(theFilesAndFolders)
        set endTime to current date
        set secs to endTime - startTime
        display dialog (c as string) & " files in " & secs & " seconds ("
& c / secs & " files/second)"
end open

on RecursionNavigate(theFilesAndFolders)
        repeat with currentItem in theFilesAndFolders
                if (info for currentItem) is folder then
                        set folderContents to (list folder (currentItem))
                        set fullPathNameList to {}
                        repeat with i in folderContents
                                set fullPathName to (currentItem as
string) & i
                                if (info for fullPathName) is folder then
                                        set fullPathName to (fullPathName
as string) & ":"
                                end if
                                set end of fullPathNameList to fullPathName
                        end repeat
                        RecursionNavigate(fullPathNameList)
                else
                        set c to c + 1
                end if
        end repeat
end RecursionNavigate
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

on open (theFilesAndFolders)
        script foo
                property c : 0
                on open (theFile)
                        set c to c + 1
                        return c
                end open
        end script

        set startTime to current date
        set c to walk folders theFilesAndFolders with script foo
        set endTime to current date
        set secs to endTime - startTime
        display dialog (c as string) & " files in " & secs & " seconds ("
& c / secs & " files/second)"
end open


--peter
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 28 Aug 1994 15:20:42 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Quit from applets
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Sat, 27 Aug 94 00:37:03 PDT"

Jon said....

>If you have a script that you can't quit because you forgot this,
>simply hold down the SHIFT key and your quit handler will not be called.
>
>Who's got the FAQ?  Is this tip in it?

Yes, it is.

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 28 Aug 1994 16:22:21 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Charles Wiltgen <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 25 Aug 1994 to 26 Aug 1994

>Given that a few people suggested writing a OSAX to handle the Eudora "on
>notify" problem, could someone try it out and post the result? This sounds
>like the best interim solution.

BTW, has anyone been experimenting with 1.5, which is supposed to have
improved AppleScript support?


--
Charles Wiltgen    "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and
[e-mail]    then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath.
(INTP)              At night, the ice weasels come." - Nietzsche (Groening)
World Wide Web      http://venus.mcs.net/~cwiltgen/home.html
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 09:52:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Receiving raw Apple Events in scripts

Mike Cohen <[e-mail]> writes:

>At 12:36 AM 8/27/94 -0700, Jon Pugh wrote:
>
>>First off, you don't send some custom event like CSOmeNot.  You send an
>>event that AppleScript knows, the Subroutine event.  It is listed in the
>>AppleScript suite document which is in the Registry folder of the
>>AppleScript 1.0 and 1.1 CDs.
>
>Tell that to Steve Dorner. Unfortunately, that's how Eudora works currently.

Here's a possible way around this. Write an osax which handles the CSOm/eNot
message. This gives you a system-wide handler for this event. There's no need
to give it an aete, since you're never going to to call it from AppleScript--
only Eudora is going to send this event. What the osax does is send an
ascr/psbr event to the current process, using a subroutine name of your
choice, and passing on the arguments from the CSOm/eNot event.

Basically, it's an "event redirector" osax.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 28 Aug 1994 19:39:43 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Chris LeCroy <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FileMaker versions

>>I'll spare you all the heated diatribe on the topic of Claris' lame habit
>>of changing the 'aete' every release and just ask questions.
>
>As opposed to leaving the 'aete' (or the events described by same) broken?

Well, no. As opposed to doing it correctly once and for all. They've had
almost two years, now...

>>What I've done in the past is to figure out what was broken in prior
>>versions of FMP, and execute bits of code until it didn't fail.  For
>>example 2.0 didn't support "Count windows", 2.1v1 doesn't support "get
>>version", etc.
>>With the release of 2.1v3, I haven't been able to find anything at the
>>application level that will cause a failure in 2.1v2 and not in 2.1v3.
>>Unfortunately, there's no real guarantee that I have a database open, so I
>>can't take advantage of the fact that numeric ID properties and things like
>>will fail in 2.1v2 when databases are open.
>
>If there is a condition (no databases open) in which you can't tell the
>difference between 2.1v2 and 2.1v3, your don't care about the difference
><at that time>, do you?  If it does matter with a database open, do your
>test at the first time you notice that the count of databases is not 0.

[Whoops, sorry... I wasn't very clear in my earlier comments.]

Actually, I do care. I have an application that generates scripts that need
to be syntactically correct based upon the version of FileMaker they're
being generated for. Of course, I could start making trial and error
OSACompile() calls on top of my trial and error AppleScript calls, but I'm
afraid people might start calling me silly to my face, then.

I've since slapped together a 'vers' and will rely upon that, as opposed to
the kludgy way I've been doing it in the past.



---
Chris LeCroy - [e-mail]
SouthBeach Software Corp.
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 28 Aug 1994 19:39:55 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Chris LeCroy <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Naming conflicts (was FileMaker versions)

>>Somewhat off the topic, was there ever a consensus on how we're all going
>>to deal with naming conflicts between 'aete's, osaxen, etc?  Since
>>apparently you can do "tell document ..." to point to a specific osax, is
>>it really really even a problem?  I just got done playing with an app that
>>used the word "file" as its "table" term. It caused problems when
>>attempting to use file specifications inside a "tell application..." block.
>
>I'm dealing with the conflicts by installing only Scripting Additions I'm
>actively using (and being selective about that).  AppleScript just sort of
>uses one big namespace...redefining things like "file" is downright
>unfriendly.

They've since fixed the poor naming decision.

BTW, "file" shows as an application keyword in Script Editor.  Are there
certain *application* keywords owned by AppleScript or are developers in a
position of having to make educated guesses when designing AppleScript
terminologies? (I don't have Apple's AppleScript docs, yet, so be easy on
me if the answers are there...)

Sorry, I was a little vague in my comments regarding name pollution.  I'm
not really too worried about *my* ability to muddle through name conflicts.
I'm worried about the average user.  As it stands there are probably 50-100
(wild ass guess) osaxen generally available.  What happens when there are
500?  What happens when (for whatever reason) osaxen begin to appear as
installer pieces to commercial applications and there are terminology
conflicts between them?  Does anyone else see this as a potential
nightmare?

>     --John [sorry about the double reply]
>[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA

Nope, my fault for throwing two unrelated topics into one posting.


---
Chris LeCroy - [e-mail]
SouthBeach Software Corp.
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 13:41:48 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Owen Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora 2.1, MailShare and Notify

So I don't reinvent the wheel, is there a script out there that will
receive and process the notifications posted by MailShare of new mail for
Eudora?

_________________________________________________________________________
Owen Watson, The Royal Society of NZ, PO Box 598, Wellington, New Zealand
Internet [e-mail]  Ph: [phone] Fax: [phone]
The gateway to New Zealand science: http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 28 Aug 1994 18:50:24 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora Notification vs Frontier

   I've been watching the discussions here about receiving the incoming
mail notification event from Eudora.

   It's time to mention that doing so is trivial in Frontier (or Frontier
Runtime).

Here's a simple handler (I think it came with some sample Eudora scripting
code from Leonard Rosenthol)

on eNot(msgList)
    speaker.beep()
    eudora.examples.eudoraHandler(msgList)

This script would be placed in a table named CSOm, which would be in
system.verbs.traps.  (That's how incoming events can be passed to
handlers...it's used with misc.dosc, in Frontier as shipped.)

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
When was the last time you checked out the ceiling tiles in a building you
were in?
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 28 Aug 1994 17:59:06 -1000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Pete Hinely <[e-mail]>
Subject:      New version of Eudora (Better AppleScripting) (fwd)

Sorry if this has already been posted here.  I haven't seen it here yet
though.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 1994 16:52:57 -1000
Subject: New version of Eudora (Better AppleScripting)

>
>Test versions of Eudora 1.5 (free) and 2.1 (commercial, updater from 2.0.3)
>are now available on our ftp site (ftp.qualcomm.com, quest/mac/eudora/beta
>subdirectory).
>
>These are TEST versions.  They may have bugs.  They do not have much
>documentation.  If you're not the adventurous sort, leave them alone.  If
>you do use them, be sure to report bugs to [e-mail].
>
>The test versions will expire on October 1, 1994; we'll have non-expiring
>ones out long before that.
>
>The changes in 1.5 are primarily performance improvements and a greatly
>improved AppleScript dictionary.  Besides including the same performance
>and AppleScript improvements as 1.5, 2.1 has some new features, including
>support for dragging messages between mailboxes, kerberos, improved server
>message management, and message color-coding.
>
>More information, including release notes, is available on the ftp site.
>
>--
>Steve Dorner, Qualcomm Incorporated
>  Whosoever has lived long enough to find out what life is, knows how deep a
>  debt of gratitude we owe to Adam.  He brought death into this world.
>                                                                Mark Twain
>



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=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 28 Aug 1994 21:46:47 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Shaff <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Are "Mail Enclosures" disks?

Greetings,

My application is trying to make a reasonable first guess as to a back-up
volume.  There exists a set of known volumes and the inevitable rest.  A third
volume will most often be a volume to which the user will back-up their project
files.

I was surprised when I experimented with

set volumesOnline to list disks
item 2 of volumesOnline

--> "Mail Enclosures"

I am developing on a machine with 7 pro.  The studio scheduled to use this is
currently using system 7.  Presuming our luck with obtaining 7.5 does not get
better, they will still be running 7 through-out the coming year.

Can anyone either outline the AppleScript file system model or point me in a
towards a promising document?

As always, thank you kindly!

Michael
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 28 Aug 1994 22:37:11 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Brian Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable Fax Modem?

>I'd like a fax modem that can receive faxes and automatically run them
>through an OCR and save them as a text file. Any ideas?

I've done this with FaxSTF/AutoPak.  When you have AutoPak, STF has the
ability to run one, and only one ;-(, application in the in box - the very
first app.

To get around this, I wrote a script with "on open fileList" that would
then in turn call the OCR software and do my post-processing (sending to an
app of ours).  It isn't as elegant as it could be, but it seems to work
well.

>Maybe there is fax software out there that will do all of this without
>AppleScript?

See above.

__________________________________________________________________________
Mark/Space Softworks                                    voice 408-293-7299
111 West Saint John, 2nd Floor                            fax [phone]
San Jose, CA 95113                                        bbs 408-293-7290

Macintosh connectivity software:               Internet: [e-mail]
Communicate, ZMODEM Tool, PageNOW!               AppleLink, AOL: MARKSPACE
                  Goodies at ftp.netcom.com in pub/mspace
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 17:36:42 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Owen Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Changing value in string

A newbie question:

I'm having problems changing the value in a string. (the vInfo comes from a
Pagemaker tab query, if you must know).

set AppleScript's text item delimiters to ","
set vInfo to "4,0,27,\"  \",3,56,\"  \",3,100,\"  \",3,146,\"  \""
set first item of vInfo to 6

doesn't seem to change the 4 to a 6.

I've tried variations of the above (6 as string etc) to no result.

Clues?

_________________________________________________________________________
Owen Watson, The Royal Society of NZ, PO Box 598, Wellington, New Zealand
Internet [e-mail]  Ph: [phone] Fax: [phone]
The gateway to New Zealand science: http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 28 Aug 1994 22:43:27 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora Notification

--========================_15140444==_
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Brian Hall <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Given that a few people suggested writing a OSAX to handle the Eudora "on
>notify" problem, could someone try it out and post the result? This sounds
>like the best interim solution.

Done.  I just cobbled together an aete and threw it into an osax.  It's not
even stuffed, it's so small.  It generates the right code, but I haven't
tried it.  I don't have a nice TCP link, only a dialup account, so it
doesn't work well here.  Just put some code into an "on notify" handler and
see if it works.

Good luck, experimenters.  Oh, I've also included the MPW Rez code I used
to create the aete below.

Jon


-=-=-=-=-=-=-

#include "Types.r"
#include "AERegistry.r"
#include "ASRegistry.r"
#include "AEUserTermtypes.r"

resource 'aete' (0, purgeable) {
        0x1,
        0x0,
        english,
        roman,
        {       /* array Suites: 3 elements */
                /* [1] */
                "Eudora Suite",
                "",
                'CSOm',
                1,
                1,
                {       /* array Events: 8 elements */
                /* [1] */
            "notify",
            "The Eudora notification message.",
            'CSOm',
            'eNot',
            noReply,
            "",
            replyOptional,
            singleItem,
            notEnumerated,
            notTightBindingFunction,
            reserved,
            reserved,
            reserved,
            reserved,
            reserved,
            reserved,
            reserved,
            reserved,
            verbEvent,
            reserved,
            reserved,
            reserved,
            cObjectSpecifier,
            "The new messages.",
            directParamRequired,
            singleItem,
            notEnumerated,
            doesntChangeState,
            reserved,
            reserved,
            reserved,
            reserved,
            reserved,
            reserved,
            reserved,
            reserved,
            reserved,
            reserved,
            reserved,
            reserved,
            {    /* array OtherParams: 1 elements */
            },
        },
        {    /* array Classes: 7 elements */
        },
        {    /* array ComparisonOps: 0 elements */
        },
        {    /* array Enumerations: 0 elements */
        },
    }
};




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Date:         Sun, 28 Aug 1994 22:43:33 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Generic Events

By the way, in any events, with or without terminology, you can use the
following keywords to label parameters.  They will be added to the event
with the appropriate keyword (i.e. keyASPrepositionAt == "at",
keyASPrepositionIn == "in", keyASPrepositionInsteadOf == "instead of",
etc.).  You don't need them in the aete.  Although, if you feel like using
these keywords in your event, you can redefine them to be any words you
like.  I've used keyASPrepositionAt for "some goobery parameter" more than
once.  Beats making up a code.  ;)

Jon

keyASPrepositionAt         keyASPrepositionIn      keyASPrepositionFrom
keyASPrepositionFor        keyASPrepositionTo      keyASPrepositionThru
keyASPrepositionThrough    keyASPrepositionBy      keyASPrepositionOn
keyASPrepositionInto       keyASPrepositionOnto    keyASPrepositionBetween
keyASPrepositionAgainst    keyASPrepositionOutOf   keyASPrepositionInsteadOf
keyASPrepositionAsideFrom  keyASPrepositionAround  keyASPrepositionBeside
keyASPrepositionBeneath    keyASPrepositionUnder   keyASPrepositionOver
keyASPrepositionAbove      keyASPrepositionBelow   keyASPrepositionApartFrom
keyASPrepositionAbout      keyASPrepositionSince   keyASPrepositionUntil
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Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 01:42:46 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Abner Dumoff <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Changing value in string
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Mon, 29 Aug 1994, Owen Watson wrote:

> A newbie question:
>
> I'm having problems changing the value in a string. (the vInfo comes from a
> Pagemaker tab query, if you must know).
>
> set AppleScript's text item delimiters to ","
> set vInfo to "4,0,27,\"  \",3,56,\"  \",3,100,\"  \",3,146,\"  \""
> set first item of vInfo to 6
>
> doesn't seem to change the 4 to a 6.
>
> I've tried variations of the above (6 as string etc) to no result.
>

I am confused as to whether your quotes are in the right places, what the
slashes are, and whether vinfo is broken up correctly. Is this supposed
to be a list of strings? are you using curly brackets?

In case I have missed something in all that, you might try:

set first text item of vinfo to 6

-AbbyD
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  2. Scriptable Fax Modem?
  3. Walk folders
  4. Quit from applets
  5. MACSCRPT Digest - 25 Aug 1994 to 26 Aug 1994
  6. Receiving raw Apple Events in scripts
  7. FileMaker versions
  8. Naming conflicts (was FileMaker versions)
  9. Eudora 2.1, MailShare and Notify
 10. Eudora Notification vs Frontier
 11. New version of Eudora (Better AppleScripting) (fwd)

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Date: Sat, Aug 27, 1994 11:03 PM
Subject: MACSCRPT Digest - 26 Aug 1994 to 27 Aug 1994
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There are 12 messages totalling 495 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Receiving raw Apple Events in scripts (2)
  2. Quit from applets (2)
  3. Getting custom icons in AppleScript
  4. Walk folders
  5. FileMaker versions (2)
  6. Cooperating with apps
  7. Scripting PageMaker
  8. creation of a MacScripti...
  9. MACSCRPT Digest - 25 Aug 1994 to 26 Aug 1994

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Date:    Sat, 27 Aug 1994 00:36:54 -0700
From:    Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Receiving raw Apple Events in scripts

Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>If anyone has an example of an event handler for an event other than the
>four required ones, I haven't seen it.
>
>But you CAN write a handler if you use those pesky angle brackets.
>
>on <<event CSOmeNot>>
>do stuff
>end
>
>--the angle brackets are special characters.
>
>It's ugly and I don't like it, but nobody's been able to tell me (or Steve)
>how to tell Applescript that notice is NOT a variable but the name of an
>event.

Well, I know how, but it's not quite the answer you were expecting.  In
fact, you are correct in that AppleScript can't handle general AppleEvents
worth a damn.  Mind you, I haven't actually done this, but I do know what
is involved.

First off, you don't send some custom event like CSOmeNot.  You send an
event that AppleScript knows, the Subroutine event.  It is listed in the
AppleScript suite document which is in the Registry folder of the
AppleScript 1.0 and 1.1 CDs.

Essentially, the subroutine event includes a lowercase string for the
procedure name and a record of parameters.  You send "notify" and the
parameters.  Now you write "on notify" in your script and everything works.

                                -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Mark Aiken <[e-mail]> wrote:
>    I understand, although I have never written an app to test this
>myself, that apps that allow you to write scripts from within them,
>such as a hypothetical attachable and tinkerable app, don't have this
>problem because the Component Manager consults the app's 'aete'
>resource when compiling, even in the case of event handlers. I think
>Apple only considered the case of attachable/tinkerable apps when
>setting things up their current way, and didn't realize that the cur-
>rent situation creates a problems for applications such as Eudora and
>my own File Tracker, that rely on AS applets containing handlers for
>special events.
>
>    Another solution to this problem would be to ship a custom Script
>Editor with apps such as FT and Eudora, that contain the necessary
>terminology and can therefore serve as tools for writing scripts with
>the necessary event handlers. ;-)

The component manager doesn't do squat except route OSA calls to the
AppleScript component.  The AppleScript component is the one who sends an
event to grab an aete and use it while compiling.  Just nitpicking.  ;)

As for the "hypothetical" Hypercard, it uses these subroutine events for
all of its internal messages.  I recommend that you use them too.  That way
you could even write your notification in HyperTalk, and you won't have to
invent or register your own 4 character codes either.

                                -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Here's the relevant passage from the AppleScript Suite document from the
1.0 CD (my 1.1 CD is at the cleaners ;).  All of the constants are defined
in AppleScript.h.

Jon

                                -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Subroutine Call - Call a user-defined subroutine

The subroutine event is sent for calls to user-defined subroutines.  They
contain the name of the event as a text string, and any parameters for the
event.  A standard set of prepositional parameters are available.

Event Class     kASAppleScriptSuite     'ascr'
Event ID        kASSubroutineEvent      'psbr'

Parameters

keyDirectObject
        Description:            The target, or list of arguments
        Descriptor Type:        typeObjectSpecifier or typeAEList
        Required or Optional?   Optional
keyASSubroutineName
        Description:            The subroutine name
        Descriptor Type:        typeChar
        Required or Optional?   Required
keyASPrepositionAt
keyASPrepositionAt
keyASPrepositionIn
keyASPrepositionFrom
keyASPrepositionFor
keyASPrepositionTo
keyASPrepositionThru
keyASPrepositionThrough
keyASPrepositionBy
keyASPrepositionOn
keyASPrepositionInto
keyASPrepositionOnto
keyASPrepositionBetween
keyASPrepositionAgainst
keyASPrepositionOutOf
keyASPrepositionInsteadOf
keyASPrepositionAsideFrom
keyASPrepositionAround
keyASPrepositionBeside
keyASPrepositionBeneath
keyASPrepositionUnder
keyASPrepositionOver
keyASPrepositionAbove
keyASPrepositionBelow
keyASPrepositionApartFrom
keyASPrepositionAbout
keyASPrepositionSince
keyASPrepositionUntil
        Description:            Named prepositional parameters
        Descriptor Type:        typeWildCard
        Required or Optional?   Optional
keyASUserRecordFields
        Description:            Parameters with user-defined names
        Descriptor Type:        typeUserRecordFields
        Required or Optional?   Optional

Reply Parameters

keyAEResult
        Description:            The result of the subroutine call
        Descriptor Type:        typeWildCard
        Required or Optional?   Optional
(see Replies section for additional error reply parameters)


typeUserRecordFields - List of user-defined record fields

A typeUserRecordFields descriptor record specifies a list of user-defined
record fields - their names and values.  The list contains alternating name
value pairs, where each name is typeIntlText and each value is of any type.


Data Size       Variable

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Date:    Sat, 27 Aug 1994 00:37:03 -0700
From:    Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Quit from applets

Mike Shaff <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>on quit {}
>        if gProjectDatabase = false then
>                StopRegistration
>        end if
>
>        -- pass quit
>end quit
>
>How do I refer to 'super' quit?

continue quit


Remember, if you have a script that you can't quit because you forgot this,
simply hold down the SHIFT key and your quit handler will not be called.

Who's got the FAQ?  Is this tip in it?

Jon

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Date:    Sat, 27 Aug 1994 00:37:10 -0700
From:    Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Getting custom icons in AppleScript

Bill Hutten <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I'm writing a script that has to get the "preview" icons from files saved
>in PhotoShop. A little ResEdit work reveals that these custom icons are
>stored in icl8 resource -16455 in each PhotoShop file.
>
>How do I retrieve this resource? Do I need an osax? Ideally, I'd like to be
>able to convert the icl8 to a PICT.....

Scriptable Finder!

tell application "Finder"
    set theIcon to icon of file "foo"
end tell

Now what are you going to do with it?  This is an "icon family" data
record.  It has properties corresponding to the various icon resources.
You can seperate them with "<<class icl8>> of theIcon" but I don't think
this really helps.  I don't see any way to make this into a picture, and a
resource osax wouldn't help since it couldn't make it into a picture
either.

I see this as a limitation of the scriptable Finder.  If you do a copy from
the Get Info dialog, you get a picture too.  Ah well, nothing's perfect.

Jon

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Date:    Sat, 27 Aug 1994 00:37:13 -0700
From:    Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Walk folders

Mike Shaff <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I am not certain how to phrase my question.  With that caveat:
>
>What are the performance characteristics of the Walk Folder command from Jo=
n's
>Commands (found on gaea)?
>
>I am more interested in its 'feel' than its theoretical nature.

Well, I was more interested in code simplicity than performance, but I'm
certain that it out-performs a comparable script.  Nevertheless, I did some
timing tests. Here's the script:


script foo
        property c : 0
        on open (theFile)
                set c to c + 1
                return c
        end open
end script

set startTime to current date
set c to walk folders alias "AppleScript=81:" with script foo
set endTime to current date
set secs to endTime - startTime
{c, secs, c / secs}


Here are the results:

files          seconds       files/sec
  213 (8M)        20            10.7      My Info-Mac junk folder (disk 1)
  461 (9M)        40            11.5      My AppleScript collectables (disk =
1)
  882 (29M)       53            16.6      My PhotoFlash sources (disk 2)
  652 (70M)       22            29.6      The AppleScript 1.0 CD
15577 (473M)    1301            12.0      All of Disk 1

Wow!  It's 3 times faster off CD than off my HD?  I don't know why that is.
I'll investigate, but if anyone wants to email me their results (don't
reply to the list!), I'll see if they help explain things.  ;)

Jon

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Date:    Sat, 27 Aug 1994 02:00:36 -0700
From:    "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Quit from applets

>Greetings,
>
>AppleScript with its varried syntax and extensions is a blast, in all senses of
>the word.  I have an applet which remains open for the vast duration of its
>life.  It is basically a network interface for a small database.  When it comes
>time for it to quit, I want to have a piece of conditional code:
>
>on quit {}
>        if gProjectDatabase = false then
>                StopRegistration
>        end if
>
>        -- pass quit
>end quit

continue quit

is the way to say the "pass quit" above.
   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
When was the last time you checked out the ceiling tiles in a building you
were in?

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Date:    Sat, 27 Aug 1994 02:17:52 -0700
From:    "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: FileMaker versions

>Hi,
>
>I'll spare you all the heated diatribe on the topic of Claris' lame habit
>of changing the 'aete' every release and just ask questions.

As opposed to leaving the 'aete' (or the events described by same) broken?


>I'm in a position where I have to write scripts that will function
>regardless of the version of FileMaker Pro currently being executed.
>
>Asking for the application's version property returns the number 131092 in
>versions 2.1v2 and 2.1v3, so I haven't been able to rely upon that.

Looks like an oversight.  In hex, that's 00020014, which argueably makes
some sort of sense for one of those versions.

>What I've done in the past is to figure out what was broken in prior
>versions of FMP, and execute bits of code until it didn't fail.  For
>example 2.0 didn't support "Count windows", 2.1v1 doesn't support "get
>version", etc.
>
>With the release of 2.1v3, I haven't been able to find anything at the
>application level that will cause a failure in 2.1v2 and not in 2.1v3.
>Unfortunately, there's no real guarantee that I have a database open, so I
>can't take advantage of the fact that numeric ID properties and things like
>will fail in 2.1v2 when databases are open.

If there is a condition (no databases open) in which you can't tell the
difference between 2.1v2 and 2.1v3, your don't care about the difference
<at that time>, do you?  If it does matter with a database open, do your
test at the first time you notice that the count of databases is not 0.

-------
However, you might try asking for the version as a string (and try some
other reasonable variations).  AppleScript installs a 'vers' to anything
coercion handler (presumably it doesn't actually coerce to anything, but
rather a subset of that.  But I see that FileMaker doesn't cooperate...it
returns a number anyhow, which gets enclosed in quotes.  [That's not how
the Registry suggests doing it...the Registry way does work:  I exercised
it in a toy app I wrote for a show-and-tell.  Floating point types work,
too, in the coercion handler, BTW.]

-------------
However (2), I note that my 2.1v2=80 returns a version of 131089 (00020011).
Mine was the result of passing 2.1v1 through the updater Claris uploaded.
My guess would be that the updaters neglect to update the number returned
as the version property.

    --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
When was the last time you checked out the ceiling tiles in a building you
were in?

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Date:    Sat, 27 Aug 1994 02:21:56 -0700
From:    "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: FileMaker versions

>Somewhat off the topic, was there ever a consensus on how we're all going
>to deal with naming conflicts between 'aete's, osaxen, etc?  Since
>apparently you can do "tell document ..." to point to a specific osax, is
>it really really even a problem?  I just got done playing with an app that
>used the word "file" as its "table" term. It caused problems when
>attempting to use file specifications inside a "tell application..." block.

I'm dealing with the conflicts by installing only Scripting Additions I'm
actively using (and being selective about that).  AppleScript just sort of
uses one big namespace...redefining things like "file" is downright
unfriendly.

   --John [sorry about the double reply]

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
When was the last time you checked out the ceiling tiles in a building you
were in?

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Date:    Sat, 27 Aug 1994 02:32:42 -0700
From:    "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Cooperating with apps

>Greetings,
>
>Pity the script writer!  The task of cooperating with applications becomes such
>a tiresome detail.  Does anyone know if Adobe plans on recognizing OSA?
>
>I would have thought that activate was not dependent on an application's good
>behaviour.  Not apparently so:
>
>activate application "Premiere @ 18Mb"
>
>times out.
>
>Is there a more robust way of accomplishing a context switch?

Given the Scriptable Finder, yes.  This should do the trick:

tell application "Finder"
    set frontmost of process "Premiere @ 18Mb" to true
end tell

Without the Scriptable Finder, there may well be an osax (or 10)...I
haven't looked.  [It's trivial to write the osax code, unless there's a
"hidden" problem.]

  --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
When was the last time you checked out the ceiling tiles in a building you
were in?

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Date:    Sat, 27 Aug 1994 09:31:28 -0400
From:    Jeff Boulter <[e-mail]>
Subject: Scripting PageMaker

I'm doing some scripting that involves PageMaker 5.0. I just found my
little coupon do order the Script Guide, but it won't be here for 6-8 weeks.

Could some kind soul with the Script Guide look up how do do the following:

Select All of the text in the story selected with the arrow tool
copy the text the clipboard

get the name of the frontmost document

Many thanks!

Jeff Boulter
Managing Editor
The Bucknellian

--
Jeff Boulter    [e-mail]   http://www.bucknell.edu/bucknellian/jeff

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Date:    Sat, 27 Aug 1994 12:30:23 EDT
From:    [e-mail]
Subject: Re: creation of a MacScripti...

Sorry if this is late and the thread already died, but I was away for two
weeks as I moved to school and would like to put in my two cents...

Basically, I've found that I appreciate the functions found on a news reader
much more than those of a mail reader.  I think it is much more convenient to
use a newsgroup than a mailing list.  With the ability to make both
simultaneously, I don't see the big problem everyone has.  It seems to me
that with both linked together, everyone is happy.

~Shaddar

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Date:    Sat, 27 Aug 1994 10:14:17 -0800
From:    Mike Cohen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Receiving raw Apple Events in scripts

At 12:36 AM 8/27/94 -0700, Jon Pugh wrote:

>First off, you don't send some custom event like CSOmeNot.  You send an
>event that AppleScript knows, the Subroutine event.  It is listed in the
>AppleScript suite document which is in the Registry folder of the
>AppleScript 1.0 and 1.1 CDs.

Tell that to Steve Dorner. Unfortunately, that's how Eudora works currently.

Another offender is GeoQuery. You'd expect to be able to send a GetData
event, but instead you send it a custom event and instead of getting the
result in the reply, it sends you a separate event with the results.

_______________________________________________________________
Mike Cohen           | ISIS International
[phone] Voice | [e-mail]           | ALink: D6734
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Home Page: file://ftp.netcom.com/pub/isis/home.html

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Date:    Sat, 27 Aug 1994 16:56:18 -0800
From:    Brian Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 25 Aug 1994 to 26 Aug 1994

Given that a few people suggested writing a OSAX to handle the Eudora "on
notify" problem, could someone try it out and post the result? This sounds
like the best interim solution.

Brian Hall, Mark/Space Softworks, 408-293-7299, [e-mail]

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Date:    Sun, 28 Aug 1994 09:46:23 -0800
From:    Kee Nethery [phone] <[e-mail]>
Subject: Scriptable Fax Modem?

I'd like a fax modem that can receive faxes and automatically run them
through an OCR and save them as a text file. Any ideas?

Maybe there is fax software out there that will do all of this without
AppleScript?

Maybe there is fax software that will save incoming faxes as individual
graphics file and then there is a scriptable OCR package that can be told
to read individual graphic files?

Maybe for now all I can get is a fax modem that saves the files
individually into a format that I could manually OCR with any OCR package?

Any ideas?

Kee Nethery

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Date:    Sun, 28 Aug 1994 09:44:53 -1000
From:    Pete Hinely <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Walk folders

I did a speed comparison of my folder and file processor to Jon's Commands
"walk folder" command.

RESULT:  Jon's Commands came out the clear winner.  It was about 6 times
faster.

Here are the applets I made for the test:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
property c : 0

on open (theFilesAndFolders)
        set c to 0
        set startTime to current date
        RecursionNavigate(theFilesAndFolders)
        set endTime to current date
        set secs to endTime - startTime
        display dialog (c as string) & " files in " & secs & " seconds ("
& c / secs & " files/second)"
end open

on RecursionNavigate(theFilesAndFolders)
        repeat with currentItem in theFilesAndFolders
                if (info for currentItem) is folder then
                        set folderContents to (list folder (currentItem))
                        set fullPathNameList to {}
                        repeat with i in folderContents
                                set fullPathName to (currentItem as
string) & i
                                if (info for fullPathName) is folder then
                                        set fullPathName to (fullPathName
as string) & ":"
                                end if
                                set end of fullPathNameList to fullPathName
                        end repeat
                        RecursionNavigate(fullPathNameList)
                else
                        set c to c + 1
                end if
        end repeat
end RecursionNavigate
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

on open (theFilesAndFolders)
        script foo
                property c : 0
                on open (theFile)
                        set c to c + 1
                        return c
                end open
        end script

        set startTime to current date
        set c to walk folders theFilesAndFolders with script foo
        set endTime to current date
        set secs to endTime - startTime
        display dialog (c as string) & " files in " & secs & " seconds ("
& c / secs & " files/second)"
end open


--peter

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Date:    Sun, 28 Aug 1994 15:20:42 -0500
From:    Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Quit from applets

Jon said....

>If you have a script that you can't quit because you forgot this,
>simply hold down the SHIFT key and your quit handler will not be called.
>
>Who's got the FAQ?  Is this tip in it?

Yes, it is.

pf

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Date:    Sun, 28 Aug 1994 16:22:21 -0500
From:    Charles Wiltgen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 25 Aug 1994 to 26 Aug 1994

>Given that a few people suggested writing a OSAX to handle the Eudora "on
>notify" problem, could someone try it out and post the result? This sounds
>like the best interim solution.

BTW, has anyone been experimenting with 1.5, which is supposed to have
improved AppleScript support?


--
Charles Wiltgen    "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and
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Date:    Mon, 29 Aug 1994 09:52:00 +1200
From:    "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
         NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Receiving raw Apple Events in scripts

Mike Cohen <[e-mail]> writes:

>At 12:36 AM 8/27/94 -0700, Jon Pugh wrote:
>
>>First off, you don't send some custom event like CSOmeNot.  You send an
>>event that AppleScript knows, the Subroutine event.  It is listed in the
>>AppleScript suite document which is in the Registry folder of the
>>AppleScript 1.0 and 1.1 CDs.
>
>Tell that to Steve Dorner. Unfortunately, that's how Eudora works currently.

Here's a possible way around this. Write an osax which handles the CSOm/eNot
message. This gives you a system-wide handler for this event. There's no need
to give it an aete, since you're never going to to call it from AppleScript--
only Eudora is going to send this event. What the osax does is send an
ascr/psbr event to the current process, using a subroutine name of your
choice, and passing on the arguments from the CSOm/eNot event.

Basically, it's an "event redirector" osax.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00

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Date:    Sun, 28 Aug 1994 19:39:43 -0400
From:    Chris LeCroy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: FileMaker versions

>>I'll spare you all the heated diatribe on the topic of Claris' lame habit
>>of changing the 'aete' every release and just ask questions.
>
>As opposed to leaving the 'aete' (or the events described by same) broken?

Well, no. As opposed to doing it correctly once and for all. They've had
almost two years, now...

>>What I've done in the past is to figure out what was broken in prior
>>versions of FMP, and execute bits of code until it didn't fail.  For
>>example 2.0 didn't support "Count windows", 2.1v1 doesn't support "get
>>version", etc.
>>With the release of 2.1v3, I haven't been able to find anything at the
>>application level that will cause a failure in 2.1v2 and not in 2.1v3.
>>Unfortunately, there's no real guarantee that I have a database open, so I
>>can't take advantage of the fact that numeric ID properties and things like
>>will fail in 2.1v2 when databases are open.
>
>If there is a condition (no databases open) in which you can't tell the
>difference between 2.1v2 and 2.1v3, your don't care about the difference
><at that time>, do you?  If it does matter with a database open, do your
>test at the first time you notice that the count of databases is not 0.

[Whoops, sorry... I wasn't very clear in my earlier comments.]

Actually, I do care. I have an application that generates scripts that need
to be syntactically correct based upon the version of FileMaker they're
being generated for. Of course, I could start making trial and error
OSACompile() calls on top of my trial and error AppleScript calls, but I'm
afraid people might start calling me silly to my face, then.

I've since slapped together a 'vers' and will rely upon that, as opposed to
the kludgy way I've been doing it in the past.



---
Chris LeCroy - [e-mail]
SouthBeach Software Corp.

------------------------------

Date:    Sun, 28 Aug 1994 19:39:55 -0400
From:    Chris LeCroy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Naming conflicts (was FileMaker versions)

>>Somewhat off the topic, was there ever a consensus on how we're all going
>>to deal with naming conflicts between 'aete's, osaxen, etc?  Since
>>apparently you can do "tell document ..." to point to a specific osax, is
>>it really really even a problem?  I just got done playing with an app that
>>used the word "file" as its "table" term. It caused problems when
>>attempting to use file specifications inside a "tell application..." block.
>
>I'm dealing with the conflicts by installing only Scripting Additions I'm
>actively using (and being selective about that).  AppleScript just sort of
>uses one big namespace...redefining things like "file" is downright
>unfriendly.

They've since fixed the poor naming decision.

BTW, "file" shows as an application keyword in Script Editor.  Are there
certain *application* keywords owned by AppleScript or are developers in a
position of having to make educated guesses when designing AppleScript
terminologies? (I don't have Apple's AppleScript docs, yet, so be easy on
me if the answers are there...)

Sorry, I was a little vague in my comments regarding name pollution.  I'm
not really too worried about *my* ability to muddle through name conflicts.
I'm worried about the average user.  As it stands there are probably 50-100
(wild ass guess) osaxen generally available.  What happens when there are
500?  What happens when (for whatever reason) osaxen begin to appear as
installer pieces to commercial applications and there are terminology
conflicts between them?  Does anyone else see this as a potential
nightmare?

>     --John [sorry about the double reply]
>[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA

Nope, my fault for throwing two unrelated topics into one posting.


---
Chris LeCroy - [e-mail]
SouthBeach Software Corp.

------------------------------

Date:    Mon, 29 Aug 1994 13:41:48 +1200
From:    Owen Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Eudora 2.1, MailShare and Notify

So I don't reinvent the wheel, is there a script out there that will
receive and process the notifications posted by MailShare of new mail for
Eudora?

_________________________________________________________________________
Owen Watson, The Royal Society of NZ, PO Box 598, Wellington, New Zealand
Internet [e-mail]  Ph: [phone] Fax: [phone]
The gateway to New Zealand science: http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/

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Date:    Sun, 28 Aug 1994 18:50:24 -0700
From:    "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Eudora Notification vs Frontier

   I've been watching the discussions here about receiving the incoming
mail notification event from Eudora.

   It's time to mention that doing so is trivial in Frontier (or Frontier
Runtime).

Here's a simple handler (I think it came with some sample Eudora scripting
code from Leonard Rosenthol)

on eNot(msgList)
    speaker.beep()
    eudora.examples.eudoraHandler(msgList)

This script would be placed in a table named CSOm, which would be in
system.verbs.traps.  (That's how incoming events can be passed to
handlers...it's used with misc.dosc, in Frontier as shipped.)

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
When was the last time you checked out the ceiling tiles in a building you
were in?

------------------------------

Date:    Sun, 28 Aug 1994 17:59:06 -1000
From:    Pete Hinely <[e-mail]>
Subject: New version of Eudora (Better AppleScripting) (fwd)

Sorry if this has already been posted here.  I haven't seen it here yet
though.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 1994 16:52:57 -1000
Subject: New version of Eudora (Better AppleScripting)

>
>Test versions of Eudora 1.5 (free) and 2.1 (commercial, updater from 2.0.3)
>are now available on our ftp site (ftp.qualcomm.com, quest/mac/eudora/beta
>subdirectory).
>
>These are TEST versions.  They may have bugs.  They do not have much
>documentation.  If you're not the adventurous sort, leave them alone.  If
>you do use them, be sure to report bugs to [e-mail].
>
>The test versions will expire on October 1, 1994; we'll have non-expiring
>ones out long before that.
>
>The changes in 1.5 are primarily performance improvements and a greatly
>improved AppleScript dictionary.  Besides including the same performance
>and AppleScript improvements as 1.5, 2.1 has some new features, including
>support for dragging messages between mailboxes, kerberos, improved server
>message management, and message color-coding.
>
>More information, including release notes, is available on the ftp site.
>
>--
>Steve Dorner, Qualcomm Incorporated
>  Whosoever has lived long enough to find out what life is, knows how deep a
>  debt of gratitude we owe to Adam.  He brought death into this world.
>                                                                Mark Twain
>



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=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 10:02:05 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Johan Solve <[e-mail]>
Subject:      QuickTake software scriptable?

I have read somewhere that you could control the QuickTake camera with
AppleScript. But the QuickTake application doesn't have a dictionary, so I
can't find out how to do it.
Possibly I am wrong about the scriptability. What's the deal? Is it
possible to script the camera? If so, how is it done?

____________________________________________________________________
         "
  JOHAN SOLVE                Department of Science and Technology
  <[e-mail]>    University College of Halmstad, Sweden
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 28 Aug 1994 17:31:47 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Andy Cemelli [remote]" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scriptable Fax Modem? -Reply

Kee, we are currently working on alpha/beta for ExpressFax+ that does
just that...

Incoming Faxes can be OCR'd and i checked, it is scriptable....the
dictionary follows...

>>> Kee Nethery [phone] <[e-mail]> - 8/28/94 12:46 PM >>>
I'd like a fax modem that can receive faxes and automatically run
them through an OCR and save them as a text file. Any ideas?

Maybe there is fax software out there that will do all of this
without
AppleScript?

Maybe there is fax software that will save incoming faxes as
individual graphics file and then there is a scriptable OCR package
that can be told to read individual graphic files?

Maybe for now all I can get is a fax modem that saves the files
individually into a format that I could manually OCR with any OCR
package?

-----------------------

TextBridge suite: Subset of the required and core suites used by
TextBridge

run: Sent to an application when it is double-clicked
#run

open: Open the specified list of image files and add them to the
image queue
#open  alias  -- List of image files to open and add to the image
queue

quit: Quit application
#quit
##[saving  yes/no/ask]  -- Specifies whether or not to save the
document being processed

close: Close a window
#close  reference  -- the object to close

count: Return the number of elements of a particular class within an
object
#count  reference  -- the object whose elements are to be counted
##each  type class  -- the class of the elements to be counted
#Result:   integer

create: Create a new element (zones only)
#create
##new  type class  -- the class of the new element
##with properties  record  -- the initial values for the properties
of the element
#Result:   reference

delete: Delete an element from an object (zones only)
#delete  reference  -- the element to delete

exists: Verify if an object exists
#exists  reference  -- the object in question
#Result:   boolean

get: Get the data for an object
#get  reference  -- the object whose data is to be returned
##[as  type class]  -- the desired types for the data, in order of
preference
#Result:   anything

save: "Go" and save the results
#save
##[in  alias]  -- The file where the processed text should be stored,
and/or the basename for the file where the page images should be
stored
##[waiting  yes/no]  -- Specifies whether or not to wait for
processing to finish

set: Set an object's data
#set  reference  -- the object to change
##to  anything  -- the new value

resume: Resume (continue) processing
#resume

stop: stop processing
#stop
##[saving  yes/no/ask]  -- Specifies whether or not processing
results should be saved before stopping

select: Select a zone or window
#select  reference  -- the zone or window to select

Class application: An application program
Elements:
#setting by numeric index, by name
#zone by numeric index
#window by numeric index, by name
Properties:
#class  type class  [r/o]  -- the class
#frontmost  boolean  [r/o]  -- Is this the frontmost application?
#name  string  [r/o]  -- the name
#version  version  [r/o]  -- the version number of the application
#status  idle/processing/previewing/verifying  [r/o]  -- the status
of the application
#pages  small integer  [r/o]  -- the number of pages completed for
the current document

Class window: A window
Plural form:
#windows
Properties:
#bounds  bounding rectangle  -- the boundary rectangle for the window
#position  point  -- the position of the window
#class  type class  [r/o]  -- the class
#closeable  boolean  [r/o]  -- Does the window have a close box?
#titled  boolean  [r/o]  -- Does the window have a title bar?
#index  integer  [r/o]  -- the number of the window
#floating  boolean  [r/o]  -- Does the window float?
#modal  boolean  [r/o]  -- Is the window modal?
#resizable  boolean  [r/o]  -- Is the window resizable?
#zoomable  boolean  [r/o]  -- Is the window zoomable?
#zoomed  boolean  -- Is the window zoomed?
#name  string  [r/o]  -- the title of the window
#visible  boolean  [r/o]  -- Is the window visible?

Class setting: A setting
Plural form:
#settings
Properties:
#class  type class  [r/o]  -- the class
#name  string  [r/o]  -- the name
#value  anything  -- the value

Class zone: A zone
Plural form:
#zones
Properties:
#class  type class  [r/o]  -- the class
#depth  small integer  [r/o]  -- The depth (stacking order) of the
zone
#bounds  bounding rectangle  -- The bounds (in 1000's of an inch)
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 12:12:03 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Roel Vertegaal <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora Notification

>Done.  I just cobbled together an aete and threw it into an osax.  It's not
>even stuffed, it's so small.  It generates the right code, but I haven't
>tried it.  I don't have a nice TCP link, only a dialup account, so it
>doesn't work well here.  Just put some code into an "on notify" handler and
>see if it works.
>
>Good luck, experimenters.  Oh, I've also included the MPW Rez code I used
>to create the aete below.
>

Excellent. It works, and in the background too:

on notify(messages)
beep
end

But how do I extract single message items out of the messages parameter?
What is the format of the messages list?

Roel Vertegaal


        +----------------------------------------------------------+
        |               Department of Ergonomics                   |
        |                 University of Twente                     |
        |            P.O. Box 217, 7500 AE Enschede                |
        |                   The Netherlands                        |
        |                phone: [phone]                    |
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Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 07:44:15 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Sean M. Joyce" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora-Sorting incoming mail

Hello.

Please forgive what appears to be either a new user question or a FAQ.
I've looked in most of the FAQs I could find, but haven't come across the
information I'm looking for.

A while back on this list there were several posts about scripting Eudora
(including the freeware version) to sort incoming mail into specific
mailboxes.  Could someone point me in the right direction to find such
examples?

TIA for any help.

Sean Joyce
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 14:18:46 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Roel Vertegaal <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora Announcer 1.0 Script

--========================_14526749==_
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Eudora Announcer 1.0.
Copyright 1994 Roel Vertegaal and Ronald Leenes, University of Twente,
Netherlands. All rights reserved.

This little applet should be dropped in the Startup Items Folder. It will
get a notification event (in background !!) from Eudora once you have
notified Eudora to do so by using the Eudora Notify Controller. When new
mail has arrived it will tell you the sender and the subject of the new
messages using the Speech Manager.

Thanks to Jon Pugh <[e-mail]> for his notify AETE and mark
Alldrit for his Gestalt OSAX.

Requires: Speech Manager, Gestalt OSAX, Applescript, Apple Macintosh
Computer, Patience.

This applet is freeware. However, we have never turned down complimentary
copies of software. This applet comes as-is!

***************************
[e-mail]
[e-mail]



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Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 08:56:00 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Thomas <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora-Sorting incoming mail

Get the commercial version. This is its primary feature and its VERY worthwhile.
 Just define a filter to take mail coming from or containing something in any he
ader and transfer it into a mailbox. Its very obvious how to do it.
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Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 08:43:19 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Polls close on Wednesday

Just wanted to remind everyone that Wednesday is the cutoff point for turning
in the newsgroup creation polls.

Currently,

76 think a newsgroup should be created
39 don't think a newsgroup should be created
4 don't care

82 think the mailing list should be continued with a gateway between it and
the
   newsgroup
28 don't think the mailing list should continue
7 don't care


Cheers,

pf
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Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 07:56:50 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Robert Bogar <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Apple Script Books

        Reply to:   RE>Apple Script Books
Recommendation for two books-

Tao of AppleScript, 2nd Ed. (by Derrick Schnider) if your just getting
started & The Complete AppleScript Handbook (by Danny Goodman) for a
reference, would be my two choices.  The Tao, 2nd Ed comes with AppleScript
1.1 & offers a chapter on the Scriptable Finder.  I found the Tao very
readable, and an excellent starter for beginning scripters.  The AppleScript
handbook is a great reference book, but is a little like a college textbook
in it's readability.

Robert Bogar

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Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 08:34:07 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Apple Script Books

> Are there any books on apple script that people would recommend?

Well, The Tao of AppleScript, while being mostly fluff, was rather useful
when I was a bare beginner in AS.  Now I use the AppleScript Language Guide
(English Dialect), which is sort of the 'official' reference.

-roy

Roy S. Rapoport                            [e-mail]
510-540-5535 ext. 280                    Fax: [phone]
Official spokesperson for me
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Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 09:44:08 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Shaff <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Exit from a handler

Greetings,

I am developing my AppleScript 'applications' using HyperCard as the front end.
I would like to test some condition and if true exit the handler:

on frob()
        ...
        if abort() then
         exit frob
        end if
        ...
end frob

Is there some way to accomplish this?  I imagine that I could wrap the entire
handler in a try form, but this would wreak havoc when additional error
checking was needed.

on frob()
        try
                if abort() then
                        error "Abort condition is true."
                on error
                        ...
        end try
end frob

Anyone?

Thanks,

Michael
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Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 19:02:20 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Anguish <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Existence of File/Folder

I've been playing with AppleScripts for a few days now and I haven't yet
worked out how best to determine if a particular file/folder exists in some
folder. I use "on error .."  but this messes up use with MacHTTP from which
I call my scripts, any ideas? With much thanks, David A.

__________________________________________________________________
David Anguish SIC/SA, EPFL
1015 Lausanne, CH
Phone: [phone]
(Central European Time)
___________________________ Eudora F2.0 on Mac _________________________
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Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 09:52:47 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Shaff <[e-mail]>
Subject:      A different file existence question

Greetings,

A frequently asked question on this list queries:

How do I check for the existence of a file?

To which a common answer is:

try
    info for thePath

    code for item exists
on error
    code for item does not exist
end try

This is great for files, but for folders or in my case a disk.  The 'info for'
command incurs a tremendous overhead (a folder calculates its size which can
take a user perceptible time).  I have not found any additions that would check
an aspect of the folder thereby confirming its existence WITHOUT causing the
calculation on a folder size.  Anyone?

Thanks once again!

Michael
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Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 13:20:09 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: A different file existence question
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Mike Shaff" at Aug 29, 94 09:52:47 am

--Mike Shaff wrote:
>
>Greetings,
>
>A frequently asked question on this list queries:
>
>How do I check for the existence of a file?

    The best answer that anyone can give you is to get the Scriptable
Finder. It handles all of the file stuff you could want from AppleScript
(well, mostly all ;). It makes checking for the existence of a file or
folder simplistic.

-Hades
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Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 10:15:18 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: A different file existence question

>Greetings,
>
>A frequently asked question on this list queries:
>
>How do I check for the existence of a file?
>
>To which a common answer is:
>
>try
>    info for thePath
>
>    code for item exists
>on error
>    code for item does not exist
>end try
>
>This is great for files, but for folders or in my case a disk.  The 'info for'
>command incurs a tremendous overhead (a folder calculates its size which can
>take a user perceptible time).  I have not found any additions that would check
>an aspect of the folder thereby confirming its existence WITHOUT causing the
>calculation on a folder size.  Anyone?

Long term, the solution comes from the Scriptable Finder.  Scriptable
Finder comes with System 7.5, and is available now for $25 from APDA if you
don't want System 7.5 (which is available now in floppy but not yet CD ROM
format).

tell application "Finder"
    exists disk "Vashon"
end tell

quickly returns true on my system (which has a disk named "Vashon").  Likewise,
    exists disk "missing"
(I don't have one of those) returns false.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
When was the last time you checked out the ceiling tiles in a building you
were in?
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Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 12:40:18 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Todd Main <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Apple Script Books

>Recommendation for two books-
>
>Tao of AppleScript, 2nd Ed. (by Derrick Schnider) if your just getting
>started & The Complete AppleScript Handbook (by Danny Goodman) for a
>reference, would be my two choices.  The Tao, 2nd Ed comes with AppleScript
>1.1 & offers a chapter on the Scriptable Finder.
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[stuff deleted]
>Robert Bogar
>
Does Tao... come with the Scriptable Finder or just explain it?
(stupid-user question...)


Todd Main
Motorola Dynamic Memory Products
[e-mail]
[phone]
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Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 19:51:30 +0200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Thomas Baetzler <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Existence of File/Folder
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]> from "David Anguish" at
              Aug 29, 94 07:02:20 pm

David Anguish wrote:
:I've been playing with AppleScripts for a few days now and I haven't yet
:worked out how best to determine if a particular file/folder exists in some
:folder. I use "on error .."  but this messes up use with MacHTTP from which
:I call my scripts, any ideas? With much thanks, David A.

        Did you try exists() of the Scriptable Finder? This should work fine
at least for normal files or folders. If you have to check for the existence
of several files in a folder, you might also read the whole folder's
contents and then match your names against what's there.

        If anybody else has better ideas, I'd like to hear about them, too ;-)

        On a sideline, has anybody an idea of how to check whether a particular
medium is currently inserted in a drive without bringing up the "Please insert
volume foobar in any drive" dialog when it's mounted but not inserted?

:David Anguish SIC/SA, EPFL
--
Thomas Baetzler, [e-mail], [e-mail]
"If it doesn't work out, you can always kill yourself" - Cynthia Heimel
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Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 10:30:35 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "W. J. Proffer" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: QuickTake software scriptable?

Buy the PhotoFlash application ---  $200.  Or you can get the developer's kit.

That's the only way you can do it -- straight from Joh Pugh.

Bill

<pre>
William J. Proffer
Senior Staff Scientist
Test Technology Group
S-Cubed, A Division of Maxwell Labs
3398 Carmel Mountain Road
San Diego, CA  92038-1095
[phone]
[phone] (fax)
[e-mail]
World Wide Web URL:  http://www.scubed.com:8001/
</pre>
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Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 19:56:49 +0200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Thomas Baetzler <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: A different file existence question
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]> from "John W. Baxter" at
              Aug 29, 94 10:15:18 am

John W. Baxter wrote:
:tell application "Finder"
:    exists disk "Vashon"
:end tell

:quickly returns true on my system (which has a disk named "Vashon").  Likewise,
:    exists disk "missing" (I don't have one of those) returns false.

        Now try inserting a floppy disk. Open its directory, and then eject the
disk. exists disk "Missing Floppy" returns - "Please insert Missing Floppy in
any drive". Great for checking in a fully automated script that's supposed to
run overnight ;-)


:   --John

Thomas Baetzler, [e-mail], [e-mail]
---
This product has been cruelly tested on cute little furry animals.
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 10:48:10 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Changing value in string

>A newbie question:
>
>I'm having problems changing the value in a string. (the vInfo comes from a
>Pagemaker tab query, if you must know).
>
>set AppleScript's text item delimiters to ","
>set vInfo to "4,0,27,\"  \",3,56,\"  \",3,100,\"  \",3,146,\"  \""
>set first item of vInfo to 6
>
>doesn't seem to change the 4 to a 6.
>
>I've tried variations of the above (6 as string etc) to no result.
>
>Clues?


You can't do this (see page 62 first paragraph and example).

You can change lements in strings. Get the bits you want and concatenate a
new string together.

Kevin Purcell, N7WIM / G8UDP      [e-mail]      206/649-6489
Attachmate Corp                   [e-mail]
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Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 11:05:58 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Are "Mail Enclosures" disks?

>--> "Mail Enclosures"
>
        Mail Enclosures is a "virtual disk" that appears when PowerTalk is
active on a given computer system - which basically means Sys7Pro and 7.5.
What you should do to avoid this (and similar disks) is to filter out any
disk whose "visible is false".


Leonard

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Rosenthol                       Internet:       [e-mail]
Director of Advanced Technology         AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 11:06:43 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re[2]: Receiving raw Apple Events in scripts

>Syntax should prevent the user from ever having to write <<Event mumble>>
>in a script--they claim this is a high-level language!  I wish AS had a
>proper (or even a crude) syntactic extension facility--it would be really
>nice if, when one wanted a case statement, one could just WRITE it by
>extending the syntax.  (A good compiler and a well-written syntactic
>extension and this approach adds NO overhead to the resulting code.)  I got
>really spoiled by writing in Scheme, I guess.  <grin>
>
        I had LONG/NUMEROUS discussions with the AS team about this during
the  development/design of AS, as there were a number of areas where I felt
that the AS language could use extending from a 3rd party (case was one,
"when" construct for data flow, etc.) but that was just too tough a problem
for them to tackle.


Leonard

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Rosenthol                       Internet:       [e-mail]
Director of Advanced Technology         AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 14:17:16 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Schettino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: A different file existence question

>John W. Baxter wrote:
>:tell application "Finder"
>:    exists disk "Vashon"
>:end tell
>
>:quickly returns true on my system (which has a disk named "Vashon").
>Likewise,
>:    exists disk "missing" (I don't have one of those) returns false.
>
>        Now try inserting a floppy disk. Open its directory, and then eject the
>disk. exists disk "Missing Floppy" returns - "Please insert Missing Floppy in
>any drive". Great for checking in a fully automated script that's supposed to
>run overnight ;-)

He're a scriptable finder version that's ejected floppy safe (TM)

-- test for existance of a disk (Even works with ejected floppies!)

-- get all the disk names
local diskNames
tell application "Finder"
        set diskNames to name of disks
end tell

diskNames contains "Project" -- true on my system
diskNames contains "Never" -- false on my system

- john

-----------------------------------------
[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
John Schettino                Waltham, MA
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 13:59:56 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Apple Script Books
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Mon, 29 Aug 94 12:40:18 PDT"

Todd,

>>Tao of AppleScript, 2nd Ed. (by Derrick Schnider) if your just getting
>>started & The Complete AppleScript Handbook (by Danny Goodman) for a
>>reference, would be my two choices.  The Tao, 2nd Ed comes with AppleScript
>>1.1 & offers a chapter on the Scriptable Finder.
>                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>[stuff deleted]
>>Robert Bogar
>>
>Does Tao... come with the Scriptable Finder or just explain it?
>(stupid-user question...)

Just asked Derrick about this earlier (and updated the faq). It does _not_
have the Scriptable Finder--Apple wouldn't let them distribute it.

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 15:21:55 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Denis Simard <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Renaming file?
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

I know this is probably a stupid question for people who have written
applescript for more than one week, but I cannot find in the poor
documentation I have the way to rename a file. Anyone can help me?

TIA!


DENIS SIMARD                    |     e-mail:   [e-mail]
                                |     maison:   514-271-4136
Etudes cinematographiques       |     travail:  514-343-6111 (#7858)
Universite de Montreal          |     fax:      [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 05:25:39 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Andy Cemelli [remote]" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Are "Mail Enclosures" disks? -Reply

tell application "Finder"
#name of disks
end tell

will reply all physical disks...

>>> Mike Shaff <[e-mail]> - 8/28/94 11:46 PM >>>
My application is trying to make a reasonable first guess as to a
back-up volume.  There exists a set of known volumes and the
inevitable rest.  A third volume will most often be a volume to which
the user will back-up their project files.

I was surprised when I experimented with

set volumesOnline to list disks item 2 of volumesOnline

--> "Mail Enclosures"

I am developing on a machine with 7 pro.  The studio scheduled to use
this is currently using system 7.  Presuming our luck with obtaining
7.5 does not get better, they will still be running 7 through-out the
coming year.
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 13:02:19 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Renaming file?

Dennis said:
> I know this is probably a stupid question for people who have
> written applescript for more than one week, but I cannot find in the
> poor documentation I have the way to rename a file. Anyone can help me?

There are no stupid questions -- just stupid people.

Actually, I don't believe that the standard AS with its Scripting Additions
provides you with a way of doing that.  I can think of two things you could
do off the bat:

A) Get Jon's Commands -- they have renameFile; (and they're free)
B) Get the Scriptable Finder (it's cooler, but it's more expensive ($25))

-roy
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 15:16:51 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         K J Fox <[e-mail]>
Subject:      JABRA Power Dialer

Hi,
I've recently acquired the use of a Power Mac 7100 with Geoport adapter and
JABRA Earphone.  Does anyone have experience scripting the JABRA Power
Dialer software.  Specifically, I can write a script to dial a number but
when the other end answers, I'd like to have the Mac speak then hangup.  Is
anything like this possible??  I have PlainTalk 1.3 installed too.  In this
way, I can monitor e-mail when I'm away, and leave messages on my home
answering machine when important e-mail arrives at work.

Thanks,

________________________________________________________________________
Kenneth J. Fox         |     E-mail:  [e-mail] (pref)
Allen-Bradley Company  |      Phone:  [phone] (V) 414-382-2742 (F)
Rockwell Int'l         |      Pager:  414-256-9702
Milwaukee, WI          |  Applelink:  FOX.K
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 16:23:49 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Klaus P. Fechner" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Polls close on Wednesday

>Currently,
>
>76 think a newsgroup should be created
>39 don't think a newsgroup should be created
>4 don't care
>
>82 think the mailing list should be continued with a gateway between it and
>the
>   newsgroup
>28 don't think the mailing list should continue
>7 don't care

Well, it looks like we're going to get a newsgroup (too bad ;-)

Could we make sure that is gets archived somewhere so that we can refer to
postings that expired from the news servers?

Thanks, Klaus

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Klaus P. Fechner<[e-mail]> VAMC Palo Alto, CA, USA
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 15:33:44 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Polls close on Wednesday
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Mon, 29 Aug 94 16:23:49 EDT"

Klaus comments.....
[poll count snipped]

>Well, it looks like we're going to get a newsgroup (too bad ;-)
>
>Could we make sure that is gets archived somewhere so that we can refer to
>postings that expired from the news servers?

Yes, that's one of the goals. I'll do everything I can to provide options that
everyone can live with.....will almost everyone.

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 16:42:20 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Klaus P. Fechner" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Polls close on Wednesday

>Yes, that's one of the goals. I'll do everything I can to provide options that
>everyone can live with.....will almost everyone.

Yes, I know you are doing it already! Thanks!

Klaus

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Klaus P. Fechner<[e-mail]> VAMC Palo Alto, CA, USA
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 18:02:39 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Dean J. Spearman" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FileMaker whose clause

        Anyone scripting filemaker will be interested to know that 2.1v3
(updater at your favorite info-mac mirror)appears to have a vastly improved
implimentation of the "whose" clause.  I assume it now uses filemakers
index. At least My informal test shows that it works at least as fast as my
workaround.
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 19:09:37 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Polls close on Wednesday
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Klaus P. Fechner" at Aug 29, 94 04:23:49 pm

--Klaus P. Fechner wrote:
>
>Well, it looks like we're going to get a newsgroup (too bad ;-)

    Don't be too sure. This subject hasn't even been broached on
comp.sys.mac.databases, yet. We have no idea what the net even thinks
about this. When and if a comp.sys.mac.databases.filemaker does make it
to a vote a favorable poll on this list doesn't mean it will pass a
UseNet CFV.

-Hades (news.groups regular from way back, and the RFD/CFV organizer for
comp.sys.mac.databases)
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 16:32:03 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Apple Script Books
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Mon, 29 Aug 1994, Todd Main wrote:

> Does Tao... come with the Scriptable Finder or just explain it?
> (stupid-user question...)

Apple wouldn't allow us to distribute the scriptable Finder (urgh). So we
have a chapter which introduces how to use it, work with files, some
simple examples, etc.

Derrick
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 16:37:42 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Lawrence Wood <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Polls close on Wednesday

Indeed I would like a newsgroup created and a gateway between the
mailing list and the newsgroup.  If a newsgroup is created then this
will help spread the AppleScript word (so to speak).  Given that
everyone with system 7.5 will have applscript it would be good to
provide a place to go for people to get answers.  chow.

lw

----------
From: Fred Terry  <[e-mail]>
To: Multiple recipients of list MACSCRPT
<netmail![e-mail]>
Subject: Polls close on Wednesday
Date:  Aug 29, 94 8:43AM

Just wanted to remind everyone that Wednesday is the cutoff point for turning
in the newsgroup creation polls.

Currently,

76 think a newsgroup should be created
39 don't think a newsgroup should be created
4 don't care

82 think the mailing list should be continued with a gateway between it and
the
   newsgroup
28 don't think the mailing list should continue
7 don't care


Cheers,

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 19:21:49 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joe Scripter <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Numbers Only

How do I check that an input only contains numbers? I don't want people to
enter letters.

Thanks,

-MJL
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 20:05:39 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Michel <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FileMaker whose clause

>        Anyone scripting filemaker will be interested to know that 2.1v3
>(updater at your favorite info-mac mirror)appears to have a vastly improved
>implimentation of the "whose" clause.  I assume it now uses filemakers
>index. At least My informal test shows that it works at least as fast as my
>workaround.

It looks like you're right -- though finding from a script still doesn't
seem to be _quite_ as fast as finding in FileMaker, it is a vast
improvement, and will make scripting FileMaker Pro a lot easier. Now, back
to work rewriting all those scripts...
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 21:34:54 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Erik Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: How to quit one script and launch another?

>I want script application A to launch script application B and then
>completely quit.  Using combinations of launch and run, the best I can do
>is call B as a subroutine.  I want to do this so that script A can call
>script B to update A from a file server and then re-launch A.  In the DOS
>batch file world you would use CALL.

I'm not sure what the right answer is but I decided that rather than trying
to chain scripts for the task of mutually updating, a better approach is to
use script libraries.  Just put the major code into libraries, which can be
easily checked and updated without having to worry about whether the
library is open.

Thanks for the help!

-Erik
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 18:42:30 -1000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Pete Hinely <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora 1.5

Hi,
  Has anyone out there played with Eudora 1.5-(whateveritis) yet?  I've been
messing with it and I really don't see much difference between it and
1.4.3.  A lot of the commands still don't work yet.

I was hoping that 1.5's command library would be a lot more "fleshed out"
than 1.4.3's.  I guess I shouldn't have got my hopes up.

-peter
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 21:38:37 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Erik Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Path of running script file?

How do I get the path (or file reference) of the currently executing script
file ?  I'm hoping the answer will work for script files as well as script
applications.  Seems like you should be able to get it by using some
expression involving "me".

-Erik
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 30 Aug 1994 06:49:12 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Marco Strehler <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: A different file existence question

>John W. Baxter wrote:
>:tell application "Finder"
>:    exists disk "Vashon"
>:end tell
>
>:quickly returns true on my system (which has a disk named "Vashon"). Likewise,
>:    exists disk "missing" (I don't have one of those) returns false.
>
>        Now try inserting a floppy disk. Open its directory, and then eject the
>disk. exists disk "Missing Floppy" returns - "Please insert Missing Floppy in
>any drive". Great for checking in a fully automated script that's supposed to
>run overnight ;-)
>

Try this:

tell application "Finder"
        if (exists disk "MyFloppy") then
                if (ejectable of disk "MyFloppy") then
                        display dialog "Floppy exists and is online"
                else
                        display dialog "Floppy exists, but it is offline"
                end if
        else
                display dialog "No Floppy with this name!"
        end if
end tell

-- Marco


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 VOICE: ++41 (0)1 810 27 03   INTERNET: [e-mail]
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Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 21:59:21 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Path of running script file?

> How do I get the path (or file reference) of the currently
> executing script file ?  I'm hoping the answer will work for script
> files as well as script applications.  Seems like you should be able
> to get it by using some expression involving "me".

Yes, it really is that simple.

path to me

-roy

Roy S. Rapoport                           [e-mail]
510-540-5535 ext. 280                   Fax: [phone]
I speak for the Pope, the President of the United States,
and  all sentient  beings everywhere, other than those at
Berkeley Systems Incorporated.
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 21:54:12 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Brad Schrick <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora 1.5

>Hi,
>  Has anyone out there played with Eudora 1.5-(whateveritis) yet?  I've been
>messing with it and I really don't see much difference between it and
>1.4.3.  A lot of the commands still don't work yet.

Yeah.  It works well by hand, and it breaks my 1.4.3 scripts.  More
noodling around, I suppose, unless I'm just doing something stupid. -- Brad

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Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 18:57:11 -1000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Pete Hinely <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Path of running script file?
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Mon, 29 Aug 1994, Erik Smith wrote:

> How do I get the path (or file reference) of the currently executing script
> file ?  I'm hoping the answer will work for script files as well as script
> applications.  Seems like you should be able to get it by using some
> expression involving "me".

Unfortunately things work differently with script files than with
applications.  For AppleScript applications just use:

path to current application
   OR
path to frontmost application
   OR
path to me

These seem to be equivalent.

The bad news is that for normal scripts, I don't think it's possible to get
the name.   Can anyone prove me wrong?  Please do if you can, because I
want to know too.

-peter
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 30 Aug 1994 17:09:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: A different file existence question

Marco Strehler <[e-mail]> writes:

>tell application "Finder"
>        if (exists disk "MyFloppy") then
>                if (ejectable of disk "MyFloppy") then
>                        display dialog "Floppy exists and is online"
>                else
>                        display dialog "Floppy exists, but it is offline"
>                end if
>        else
>                display dialog "No Floppy with this name!"
>        end if
>end tell

I don't like this. I know it works, because I've discovered myself that the
"ejectable" property of an ejectable volume is false if the volume is
actually ejected. But I do wish there were a separate "online" or "offline"
or "ejected" property or something, that you could test. I see the "ejectable"
behaviour as a bug/misfeature that should be fixed.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 29 Aug 1994 23:19:06 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Numbers Only

>How do I check that an input only contains numbers? I don't want people to
>enter letters.

Here's a skeleton for one way (there are others).  This uses only the basic
display dialog Scripting Addition, nothing fancy.  I don't know how good a
job it does of rejecting EVERY non-digit...it catches the ones I've tried.

set smartUser to false
repeat until smartUser
    display dialog "Enter a number:" default answer ""
    set nString to text returned of result
    try
        set n to nString as number
        set smartUser to true
    on error
        display dialog "I said NUMBER!"
    end try
end repeat
n

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
When was the last time you checked out the ceiling tiles in a building you
were in?
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 30 Aug 1994 00:14:49 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Scott Trotter <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scripting PageMaker

Jeff Boulter writes:

>Could some kind soul with the Script Guide look up how do do the following:
>
>Select All of the text in the story selected with the arrow tool
>copy the text the clipboard

textedit  -- positions insertion pt when text block is selected w/ pointer
selectall -- selects all text in story if insertion point is in text
copy      -- copies selected text to clipboard

>get the name of the frontmost document

getpubname -- get name of the active publication, including full path

Disclaimer: I haven't tried this, just looked it up. Good luck!

--
======================================================================
Scott Trotter          Desktop Strategies       Beaverton, Oregon, USA
email: [e-mail]    fax: [phone]    voice: 503.641.2831
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 30 Aug 1994 09:45:32 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Roel Vertegaal <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora Announcer 1.0 notes

Someone wrote to me:

>Thanks for this submission! Before I subject my Mac to yet another
>background app, and also for educational purposes, I'd like to take a look

It's not a background app, by the way...

>at the scipt(s) within that app.
>
>When I try to open it in ScriptWizard (or Script Editor) it asks me "Where
>is Mail" with a file dialog, and I don't know what it wants. Any hint?

I would like to advice all of you out there that it might be necessary for
you when opening the script with a script editor to locate your copy of the
Eudora app. The script editor will however ask to locate your copy of
"Mail". This is since I tend to give my software somewhat more meaningful
names then Eudora or Nuntius....

There should however be none of these problems running the script, though
I'm not positive about that, of course, since I'm new at Applescript too.
If you do experience communication problems, please try out the above
trick.

Enjoy,

Roel


        +----------------------------------------------------------+
        |               Department of Ergonomics                   |
        |                 University of Twente                     |
        |            P.O. Box 217, 7500 AE Enschede                |
        |                   The Netherlands                        |
        |                phone: [phone]                    |
        |                fax:   [phone]                    |
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=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 30 Aug 1994 14:34:58 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Robert Holton <[e-mail]>
Subject:      ScriptServer

Hi,

I'm looking at ScriptServer to see if I can hack up a mode in Alpha for
AppleScrpt, but I've fallen at the first hurdle! I can't even write an
AppleScript program to compile or decompile a script. Any hints/example
code would be gratefully received; if and when I get an Alpha AppleScript
mode up and running I'll make it readily available (unless you know of
anyone else who has done this...) (hell, if it works I'll even pay my
shareware feel for ScriptServer :-).

Cheers,

        Rob
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 30 Aug 1994 16:38:09 +0200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Thomas Baetzler <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: A different file existence question
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]> from "Marco Strehler" at
              Aug 30, 94 06:49:12 am

Marco Strehler wrote:

:Try this:

:tell application "Finder"
:        if (exists disk "MyFloppy") then
:                if (ejectable of disk "MyFloppy") then
[...]

        Thanks a lot, this is exactly what I have been looking for.
The only thing that confuses me is the description of the "ejectable"
attribute in the Language Guide. I read that first and then assumed it
would declare whether a disk can be physically ejected, so I never
tried to use it to solve my problem... Oh well, one can't expect that
RTFM solves all problems ;-)

:-- Marco

Thomas Baetzler, [e-mail], [e-mail]
---
This product has been cruelly tested on cute little furry animals.
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 30 Aug 1994 11:14:02 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Exit from a handler

>I would like to test some condition and if true exit the handler:
>
>on frob()
>        ...
>        if abort() then
>         exit frob
>        end if
>        ...
>end frob

Instead of "exit frob" use the following statement:
        error number -128

Kinda ugly, but this is the same as someone clicking a Cancel button in a
dialog, which also stops execution.

Danny Goodman
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 30 Aug 1994 11:23:52 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Changing value in string

>set AppleScript's text item delimiters to ","
>set vInfo to "4,0,27,\"  \",3,56,\"  \",3,100,\"  \",3,146,\"  \""
>set first item of vInfo to 6

There are a few problems with this script fragment.  First of all, the only
time you can set items are when they are in AppleScript lists {}.  If you can
make your vInfo into an AppleScript list (I'm not sure where you're getting
the data--but if you're hardwiring it, you can say: set vInfo to {4,0,27,"
",3,56," ",3, 100," ",3,146," "} ).  In this case, you don't have to adjust
the text item delimiters property of AppleScript to get or set individual
items of the list.

Danny Goodman
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 30 Aug 1994 12:52:48 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9?= Hermelink <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Apple Script Books

Hi Robert,
You don't probably don't know who I am....
I visited (together with Peter Wagemans from Claris Belgium) the Claris CTU
this year. We went together to the BMUG meeting in Berkely.
A few weeks after my visit to the States I received my internet account, so
here I am, also a member of the 'mac scripting systems'.
I already bought the two books you mentioned, only I wonder, the second
edition of the TAO book, is that one the same as the first edition?
Like to hear from you, bye, Andre. (Ingram Micro Holland)

Andre Hermelink         [e-mail]
Rijnstraat 4-23         Ingram Micro Holland:
1972 VG IJmuiden        AppleLink: HSUP.INGRAM or
[e-mail]
xx-31-2550-37027
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 30 Aug 1994 10:28:44 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Brendan McCarthy <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FWD>>FileMaker whose cla

Mail*Link(r) SMTP               RE>FWD>>FileMaker whose clause
"Dean J. Spearman" <[e-mail]> writes:

>        Anyone scripting filemaker will be interested to know that 2.1v3
>(updater at your favorite info-mac mirror)appears to have a vastly improved
>implimentation of the "whose" clause.  I assume it now uses filemakers
>index. At least My informal test shows that it works at least as fast as my
>workaround.

You know what they say about assumptions...
Actually, FileMaker's index has _always_ been used when resolving "whoses."
Why else would an application support "whose" in addition to a simple test?

The performance increases in 2.1v3 occur because I added query optimization
when translating the AppleScript query to FileMaker's (more limited) query
grammar.  Previously each sub-expression in a whose required a separate
FileMaker "find" operation.  I also fixed a number of bugs and patched a
sneaky little memory leak (28 bytes.)  I felt these fixes were valuable
enough to push for their inclusion in v3, the Server compatible version.

Brendan McCarthy
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 30 Aug 1994 13:40:18 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Andrew Johnston <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Exit from a handler

8/30/94                  13:30

Hi,

>I would like to test some condition and if true exit the handler:
>
[snip]

You could do something like this (to borrow your example):

on frob()
 ...
 if abort() then
  return -- alternately, return myVariableOrValue
 end if
 ...
end frob


Hopefully helpful,
  Andrew

------------------
Andrew T. Johnston
Apple Canada, Inc.
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 30 Aug 1994 11:47:24 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Robert Bogar <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scripting MacWrite Pro?

        Reply to:   Scripting MacWrite Pro?
Just a general question...Who out there in scripting land is using the
AppleScript features of MacWrite Pro 1.5?  What are you doing with it?  What
type of solutions are you developing?   If you'ld like to, feel free to
e-mail me directly to avoid cloging up the mail list...
[e-mail]

thanks-RDB
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 30 Aug 1994 12:06:16 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: QuickTake software scriptable?

W. J. Proffer <[e-mail]>:
>
>Buy the PhotoFlash application ---  $200.  Or you can get the developer's kit.
>
>That's the only way you can do it -- straight from Jon Pugh.

I recommend waiting a few weeks.  There's an announcement coming soon.

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 30 Aug 1994 12:29:35 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Erik Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Path of running script file?

This command executes with either a script or an application:

display dialog (path to current application as string)

The problem is that a script returns a path to the Script Editor
application as expected.  "Path to me" does not work however, unless it
needs some kind of tell statement.

-Erik
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 30 Aug 1994 14:59:07 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jason Frankovitz <[e-mail]>
Subject:      MACSCRPT Digest - 29 Aug 1994

Hello everyone!

If you are going to post to the group by replying to the digest,
PLEASE PLEASE edit your outgoing quotations!! You can easily double
the length of the entire digest the next day if you inadvertently
quote the whole digest from the previous day in your outgoing mail.
This is not cool. And wastes bandwidth. And our time. And destroys
ozone rainforests filled with pandas etc...

Anyway, please edit your mailings to the group judiciously. Thanks!

Jason

--
Are you trying to say waffles are       |      Jason Frankovitz
diuretics, or that consuming diuretics  |      Bloomington, IN
makes you waffle?                       |      [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 31 Aug 1994 08:57:43 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Chris Latta <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Talking to other computers

Hi I'm fairly new to applescript so sorry if this is really obvious but how do I
 send commands to  other applications running over an appletalk network.  If so
can I use the PPC Browser and/or hard wire the location of the other application

Chris Latta
May all your bugs be handled with fly spray
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 30 Aug 1994 15:47:17 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Derrick Schneider <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Apple Script Books
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Tue, 30 Aug 1994, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9?= Hermelink wrote:

> is that one the same as the first edition?

Nope. There are numerous improvements in the second edition. The second
edition covers AppleScript 1.1, the Scriptable Finder (though it doesn't
come with it), the Read/Write Commands, comes with lots of software
(including AS 1.1) and sample scripts.

I don't know about availability abroad (assonance to die for!), but I've
seen it start to show up in US bookstores already.

Derrick
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 30 Aug 1994 16:52:11 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Erik Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject:      How to get zone?

Anyone know how to get the zone name of the current computer as a string?
I need an expression like "zone of current application"  (doesn't work).

-Erik
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 31 Aug 1994 12:45:14 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Judith Kertisz SUCHARD <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Talking to other computers

>Hi Chris !

tell application "excel" of machine "macName" of zone "truc"
   intructions as usual
end tell

you have to have right to connect, give your name and password (do not have
to program it)
and the appication on the other side has to be open already (also it opens
documents after)

Chaleureusement,

Judith
_________________________________________
Judith Kertisz Suchard                  [e-mail]
C.N.A.M. Labo Informatique             AppleLink: cnam
25, rue Mont Cenis                         Tel:[phone]
75018 Paris, France                     Fax: [phone]
_________________________________________
"La simpliciti, c'est le fruit d'un long effort"
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 31 Aug 1994 09:53:01 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Luis Muench <[e-mail]>
Subject:      CCL script for SLIP

        I am trying to get up and running with The Internet Adapter (TIA)
and have successfully configured it on my UNIX account. The problem is
with the login script for intercon's Mac SLIP. It uses ARA CCL
(Connection Control Language) and although there are rudimentary
directions for use in the docs, I have specific problems with my setup.

        Setup is a terminal server connection (aka "hardwire", basically
connected directly to a terminal server over a serial line) for which I
hit a return to "wake up" the terminal server, type in the name for the
service I wish to use (SOLIX, the unix box where I have my account) give
username and password, and presto. Short script, but I have no idea how
to give the command to wake up the line.

        Anyone have exp writing a CCL script?

Please email me directly with any replies.

Thanx a megabyte!
-Luis

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
::      :::     "My Karma Ran Over My Dogma"
::  :: ::       [e-mail]
 : ;:::::       Luis Muench - graphic artist
    :  :        FloridaInternationalUniversity
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 31 Aug 1994 09:53:38 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Clinton MacDonald <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Script examples for BBEdit 3.0?

Attention: newbie alert! :-)

   I have just begun a project in which I will parse several 1-2 mbyte
files (output of a VAX/VMS database search) into tab-delimited text for
inclusion in a Filemaker Pro-type database. It seemed to me that
Applescript and the new scriptable BBEdit 3.0 would be the ideal way to do
this.

   However, BBEdit is not completely, but almost entirely unlike Scriptable
Text Editor in every way. None of the syntax I carefully gleaned from Danny
Goodman's book seems to have any effect. Can anyone offer me an example
script which could get me started? *Anything* would do, although something
with a lot of text manipulation would be ideal. Assume: Applescript 1.1 as
it comes with the Random House update to Goodman's book, and BBEdit 3.0.

   Thanks,
   Clint
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 31 Aug 1994 22:12:31 +0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Craig Richmond <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Script examples for BBEdit 3.0?

>   I have just begun a project in which I will parse several 1-2 mbyte
>files (output of a VAX/VMS database search) into tab-delimited text for
>inclusion in a Filemaker Pro-type database. It seemed to me that
>Applescript and the new scriptable BBEdit 3.0 would be the ideal way to do
>this.

Seriously.  Have a look at MacPerl or the unix one if you can get hold of
it.  It really is the correct tool for the job for this sort of thing.

Craig

--
Craig Richmond, Computer Officer, ECEL Computing Services  [phone]
The University of Western Australia      or 380 3860 Email for FAX Number
[e-mail] Dvorak Keyboards RULE!  "Messes are only acceptable
if users make them.  Applications aren't allowed this freedom" I.M.VI 2-4
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 31 Aug 1994 09:53:26 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Dean J. Spearman" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FWD>>FileMaker whose cla

>
>From:[e-mail] (Dean J. Spearman)
>
>>Mail*Link(r) SMTP               RE>FWD>>FileMaker whose clause
>>"Dean J. Spearman" <[e-mail]> writes:
>>
>>>        Anyone scripting filemaker will be interested to know that 2.1v3
>>>(updater at your favorite info-mac mirror)appears to have a vastly improved
>>>implimentation of the "whose" clause.  I assume it now uses filemakers
>>>index. At least My informal test shows that it works at least as fast as my
>>>workaround.
>>
>>You know what they say about assumptions...
>>Actually, FileMaker's index has _always_ been used when resolving "whoses."
>>Why else would an application support "whose" in addition to a simple test?
>
>Actually I didn't know that.  I was basing my assumption on prior postings to
>the macscript mailing list where others also made that assumption. (and no one
>was kind enough to clarify matters.)
>
>>
>>The performance increases in 2.1v3 occur because I added query optimization
>>when translating the AppleScript query to FileMaker's (more limited) query
>>grammar.  Previously each sub-expression in a whose required a separate
>>FileMaker "find" operation.  I also fixed a number of bugs and patched a
>>sneaky little memory leak (28 bytes.)  I felt these fixes were valuable
>>enough to push for their inclusion in v3, the Server compatible version.
>>
>>Brendan McCarthy
>>[e-mail]
>>
>Your actions are much appreciated. the content of the prior postings I
>referred to were primarily work arounds as the speed in previous versions made
>the "whose" clause all but unusable except in the smallest databases.  Now if
>I could just figure out how to (from applescript) open a database as a guest
>without having finder level access ....
>
>
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 31 Aug 1994 08:28:31 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jeff Winkler <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 29 Aug 1994

>Brian Hall <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>Given that a few people suggested writing a OSAX to handle the Eudora "on
>>notify" problem, could someone try it out and post the result? This sounds
>>like the best interim solution.
>
>Done.  I just cobbled together an aete and threw it into an osax.  It's not
>even stuffed, it's so small.  It generates the right code, but I haven't
>tried it.  I don't have a nice TCP link, only a dialup account, so it
>doesn't work well here.  Just put some code into an "on notify" handler and
>see if it works.
>
>Good luck, experimenters.  Oh, I've also included the MPW Rez code I used
>to create the aete below.
>
>Jon

Michael,

Maybe it still doesn't work?!

-Jeff

_______________________________________________________________________
Jeff Winkler
Macintosh Consultant
San Diego Supercomputer Center
[phone]
[e-mail]
[e-mail] "Subject: jeffwink"
_______________________________________________________________________
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 31 Aug 1994 11:50:35 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kim-son Tran <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FaceSpan Info and Question

I contacted APDA through e-mail correspondence about just getting a copy of the
FaceSpan software and whether it would be included with System 7.5 (CD version).
This is the reply from Ken:

>>To only order FaceSpan, please call Software Designs Unlimited.  (I'm sorry I
>>don't have their number).  FaceSpan doesn't come with 7.5.

So, does anyone out there have the number of Software Designs Unlimited or any
further info on getting just a copy of the FaceSpan software?

Thanks....

Internet:   [e-mail] or [e-mail]
AOL:        [e-mail]
eWorld:     [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 31 Aug 1994 11:50:31 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kim-son Tran <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scripting Anarchie

I'm exploring the potential of AppleScripting with Anarchie but I can't seem to
figure out how to determine if an item returned from a listing is a file or a
folder. Below is what I have so far. I am able to selected any paragraph
returned since it is actually a URL to that item but how do I determine what the
item is:

tell application "Anarchie"
    activate
    with timeout of (5 * minutes) seconds
        list file "Macintosh HD:Desktop Folder:Listing" host "ftp.sunet.se" path
            "/pub/pictures" with window --get the directory of pictures.
    end timeout

    selectall --select all the contents of the window.
    set theList to contents of selection --store the URL path in paragraph form
                                            for selection.
    --pick random path specifying an item (could have used index of paragraph).
    set thePick to (random number from 1 to (count of paragraphs of theList))
    set theChosenItem to paragraph thePick of theList

    --statements to determine if the item is a folder or a file.

end tell


Any help would be greatly appreciated...

Internet:   [e-mail] or [e-mail]
AOL:        [e-mail] eWorld:     [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 31 Aug 1994 09:36:00 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "ross (w.r.) brown" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: How to get zone?

>Anyone know how to get the zone name of the current computer as a string?
>I need an expression like "zone of current application"  (doesn't work).

Install the Sharing Information osax from GTQ Scripting Library, then try
   zone of (sharing information)
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 31 Aug 1994 12:21:57 EDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jeff Smeenge <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 29 Aug 1994 to 30 Aug 1994

CANCEL SUBSCRIPTION
REMOVE NAME
CANCEL LISTSERV
DELETE MEMBERSHIP
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 31 Aug 1994 09:17:46 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Script examples for BBEdit 3.0?

>   I have just begun a project in which I will parse several 1-2 mbyte
>files (output of a VAX/VMS database search) into tab-delimited text for
>inclusion in a Filemaker Pro-type database. It seemed to me that
>Applescript and the new scriptable BBEdit 3.0 would be the ideal way to do
>this.

Perhaps using awk or perl might be more appropriate. The latter is on gaea.
The former is availible. Both are better than AppleScript + app for
manipulating large text files (IMO).

Kevin Purcell, N7WIM / G8UDP      [e-mail]      206/649-6489
Attachmate Corp                   [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 31 Aug 1994 09:28:46 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FaceSpan Info and Question

>I contacted APDA through e-mail correspondence about just getting a copy of the
>FaceSpan software and whether it would be included with System 7.5 (CD
>version).
>This is the reply from Ken:
>
>>>To only order FaceSpan, please call Software Designs Unlimited.  (I'm sorry I
>>>don't have their number).  FaceSpan doesn't come with 7.5.
>
>So, does anyone out there have the number of Software Designs Unlimited or any
>further info on getting just a copy of the FaceSpan software?

Per the About box (copied by hand...grrr!):

Software Designs Unlimited
1829 E Franklin St
Chapel Hill, NC 27514

[phone]

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
When was the last time you checked out the ceiling tiles in a building you
were in?
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 31 Aug 1994 17:33:52 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Paul G Smith <[e-mail]>
Organization: commstalk, & Full Moon Software Inc
Subject:      Re: FaceSpan Info and Question

In Regards to your letter <[e-mail]>:
>
> I contacted APDA through e-mail correspondence about just getting a copy of
 the
> FaceSpan software and whether it would be included with System 7.5 (CD
 version).
> This is the reply from Ken:
>
> >>To only order FaceSpan, please call Software Designs Unlimited.  (I'm sorry
 I
> >>don't have their number).  FaceSpan doesn't come with 7.5.
>
> So, does anyone out there have the number of Software Designs Unlimited or any
> further info on getting just a copy of the FaceSpan software?
>

Facespan isn't available on its own. You want the AppleScript
Scripters' Kit, or alternatively the AppleScript 1.1 SDK. Both include
Facespan, plus a lot more; think of the cost of the kit as being for
Facespan, and that AS 1.1 is thrown in for free, the price really
isn't too high. You can get the first from Apple mail order channels,
and the second is an APDA product, code number R0175Z/C (page 11 of the
current catalog). The first is cheaper if you go to a discount mail
order supplier; the APDA SDK is a bit steep at $199.

SDU can be contacted at [e-mail], by the way. Address
your message to Chris Ogden at SDU.


best regards, Paul

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Date:         Wed, 31 Aug 1994 09:43:09 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Gabriel Lawrence <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Dialog Box with non Clear text.

I am writing an applescript to start up an application that needs an
appleshare volume mounted. I wanted to be able to ask the user for their
user name and their password, but I want that password to show up not in
clear text. anyone know of any osaxen that do this? I have looked at the
password osaxen but it encrypts the password...

thanx

-Gabe

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                     http://sio.ucsd.edu/~gabe/
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Date:         Wed, 31 Aug 1994 14:05:32 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ScriptServer

Robert Holton <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I'm looking at ScriptServer to see if I can hack up a mode in Alpha for
>AppleScrpt, but I've fallen at the first hurdle! I can't even write an
>AppleScript program to compile or decompile a script. Any hints/example
>code would be gratefully received; if and when I get an Alpha AppleScript
>mode up and running I'll make it readily available (unless you know of
>anyone else who has done this...) (hell, if it works I'll even pay my
>shareware feel for ScriptServer :-).

Start saving your quid, bits, pounds or whatever.  :)

Here's a sample script which will compile a text file with ScriptServer:

tell application "ScriptServer"
  set f to choose file "Pick a file to compile" of type "TEXT"
  set fName to f as string
  set sName to fName & ".as"
  with timeout of 3600 seconds -- 1 hour, plenty of time to find & launch apps
    compile f to sName
  end timeout
end tell

You'll need to spruce it up.  It should be straightforward to write a
#include script like we did in MPW.

Right now you need to communicate with ScriptServer via files.  I'll be
adding support for sending the text on the compile event, as well as for
creating a script object which can be specified once and then referenced.
Some of this is in the aete, which has some mild lies.  They will be
truthful later.  ;)

Jon
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Date:         Wed, 31 Aug 1994 17:31:32 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Myers <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Is Fetch scriptable?

Is Fetch scriptable at all?  At work there is an old machine that
doesn't understand some of the FTP commands Anarchie sends to it.
As a result, it denies Anarchie access.  Fetch, however, has no
problem getting access.

Also, does Anarchie allow you to get a directory listing under
script control, without forcing you to dump the directory list
to a file?  I'd like to send Anarchie an appleEvent that causes
it to present to me the directory listing, so that I can manually
double-click on the files I want.

Thanks.

-David

____________________________________________________

David C. Myers
[e-mail]
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Date:         Thu, 1 Sep 1994 09:32:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scripting Anarchie

Kim-son Tran <[e-mail]> writes:

>I'm exploring the potential of AppleScripting with Anarchie but I can't seem to
>figure out how to determine if an item returned from a listing is a file or a
>folder.

Hint: how do you think Anarchie knows? All it's getting back from the FTP
server is a text listing. Folders are the ones with the slashes on the ends
of their names.

>tell application "Anarchie"
>    activate
>    with timeout of (5 * minutes) seconds
>        list file "Macintosh HD:Desktop Folder:Listing" host "ftp.sunet.se" pat
h
>            "/pub/pictures" with window --get the directory of pictures.
>    end timeout
>
>    selectall --select all the contents of the window.
>    set theList to contents of selection --store the URL path in paragraph form
>                                            for selection.

>    --pick random path specifying an item (could have used index of paragraph).
>    set thePick to (random number from 1 to (count of paragraphs of theList))
>    set theChosenItem to paragraph thePick of theList

These two lines can be replaced with one:

        set theChosenItem to some paragraph of theList

>    --statements to determine if the item is a folder or a file.

How about:

        if last character of theChosenItem = "/" then
        -- it's a folder
        else
        -- it's a file
        end if

>end tell

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 31 Aug 1994 17:59:17 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Myers <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Is Fetch scriptable (additional comments)

With regard to my second question, about Anarchie's ability to get
a directory listing without saving it to a file, let me add that
I'm using Frontier, which doesn't appear to allow the
"with window" parameter that AppleScript uses.  Why is that?

Thanks.

-David.

____________________________________________________

David C. Myers
[e-mail]
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Date:         Wed, 31 Aug 1994 14:14:27 -1000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Pete Hinely <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AppleScript control statements

Maybe someone out there can help me out with this question:

Does AppleScript have a command that is the equivalent of the "continue"
statement in C?  It seems like a major thing to leave out.

repeat with i from 1 to 10
  blah blah blah
  if false then
    skip to the top of the loop   --This is what I want to do!
  blah blah blah blah
end repeat


Do I have to do it recurvesively?

Thanks in advance,
peter
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 31 Aug 1994 17:35:02 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Erik Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript control statements

>Does AppleScript have a command that is the equivalent of the "continue"
>statement in C?  It seems like a major thing to leave out.
>
>repeat with i from 1 to 10
>  blah blah blah
>  if false then
>    skip to the top of the loop   --This is what I want to do!
>  blah blah blah blah
>end repeat

Isn't this the same as:

repeat with i from 1 to 10
  blah blah blah
  if not false then
    blah blah blah blah
end repeat
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 31 Aug 1994 17:44:45 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Eric Gorr <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript control statements
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Wed, 31 Aug 1994, Erik Smith wrote:

> >Does AppleScript have a command that is the equivalent of the "continue"
> >statement in C?  It seems like a major thing to leave out.
> >
> >repeat with i from 1 to 10
> >  blah blah blah
> >  if false then
> >    skip to the top of the loop   --This is what I want to do!
> >  blah blah blah blah
> >end repeat


what about doing:


repeat with i from 1 to 10
 blah blah blah
 if true then
    blah blah blah blah
end repeat

===Eric Gorr================[e-mail]===========aka MystryMan===
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=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 31 Aug 1994 21:00:06 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "a.h.s. boy" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Launching Eudora

Hi folks...I just figgered out how to get on this list, as I got tired off
slogging through those HUGE digests... so excuse me if this has been
covered.

I use Eudora constantly to download mail while I'm gone, via the Comm.
Toolbox. When I get home, however, I like to log on to my PPP account, and
open the "standard" set of PPP apps. I'm writing a simple script to
automate these things, but I've run into a problem with Eudora -- since the
settings are configured for the CTB, when Eudora is launched (there's no
problem if it was already open), it tries to connect via the CTB before I
have a chance to change the settings to MacTCP, generating an error, and
bogging everything down.

Now, Eudora will avoid trying to connect on launch in two situations: 1) if
the "Check every __ minutes" box is set to 0, which I can't do until I
launch Eudora (too late), and wouldn't want to anyway, and 2) if you hold
down the Shift key while launching the application (better).

So my question is this: how do I script it such that it thinks it's holding
down the Shift key when launching Eudora? I haven't found any OSAX that
seem to allow you to "press [modifier] key" for no apparent reason (though
Autotype OSAX has this for text).

Help? Is there another way around this?

TIA,
spud.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
a.h.s. boy --------------------- manifesto overlord, dada typographics
-------------------------------- spud on MediaMOO, Lambda MOO, PMC-MOO
[e-mail] ---------- WWW page:  http://www.digex.net/~spud
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 1 Sep 1994 13:49:00 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript control statements

Pete Hinely <[e-mail]> writes:

>Does AppleScript have a command that is the equivalent of the "continue"
>statement in C?  It seems like a major thing to leave out.

This may not be the answer you wanted to hear, but have you considered
looking at the problem closely, to see _why_ you need such a construct?
I ask because I write tens of thousands of lines of code in another language
(Modula-2) that also lacks gotos and a "continue" statement, and I can write
clean, uncontorted code without feeling the need for either.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Info & Tech Services Division              fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+12:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 31 Aug 1994 19:04:04 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Is Fetch scriptable (additional comments)

>With regard to my second question, about Anarchie's ability to get
>a directory listing without saving it to a file, let me add that
>I'm using Frontier, which doesn't appear to allow the
>"with window" parameter that AppleScript uses.  Why is that?
>
        Because that feature was added since I wrote the original verb
table for Anarchie. You could use the Commercial Developer suite to create
your own table if you wish...


Leonard

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Director of Advanced Technology         AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 31 Aug 1994 21:51:17 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Alexander <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Is Fetch scriptable (additional comments)

The Frontier glue table for AnArchie is missing a bunch of stuff.  If you use
the Commercial Developer suite in Frontier 3.0.3 to generate a new one from
the aete resource, it will be more complete and will include the window
parameter to the list command (among other things).  Unfortunately, four
verbs generate scripts that won't compile without a bit of hand editing.
List, fetch, nlist, and store all have generated commands that are too long
and get split at a bad spot.  They are easy to fix.  The table is also
missing a "get" verb since AnArchie doesn't claim to support the core suite,
but adding one is easy (copy one from another table and change the id).
Given this, the example you gave before works in Frontier (just add
"window:true" to the "get" call).

Something I didn't figure out is how to get AnArchie to return a
fileDescriptor object.  It claims to support such a thing, and it has an
"isDirectory" property which I think is what you're looking for, but I can't
seem to convince it to return such an object specifier.

   Mike Alexander
   University of Michigan

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Wed, Aug 31, 1994 ------

With regard to my second question, about Anarchie's ability to get
a directory listing without saving it to a file, let me add that
I'm using Frontier, which doesn't appear to allow the
"with window" parameter that AppleScript uses.  Why is that?
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 31 Aug 1994 22:57:58 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Paul Gerardi <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Launching Eudora

...
>I use Eudora constantly to download mail while I'm gone, via the Comm.
>Toolbox. When I get home, however, I like to log on to my PPP account, and
>open the "standard" set of PPP apps. I'm writing a simple script to
>automate these things, but I've run into a problem with Eudora -- since the
>settings are configured for the CTB, when Eudora is launched (there's no
>problem if it was already open), it tries to connect via the CTB before I
>have a chance to change the settings to MacTCP, generating an error, and
>bogging everything down.
>
>Now, Eudora will avoid trying to connect on launch in two situations: 1) if
>the "Check every __ minutes" box is set to 0, which I can't do until I
>launch Eudora (too late), and wouldn't want to anyway, and 2) if you hold
>down the Shift key while launching the application (better).
>
...
>
>Help? Is there another way around this?
>
>TIA,
>spud.
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>a.h.s. boy --------------------- manifesto overlord, dada typographics
>-------------------------------- spud on MediaMOO, Lambda MOO, PMC-MOO
>[e-mail] ---------- WWW page:  http://www.digex.net/~spud
 ==============================================================================

What about having 2 "Eudora Settings" Files in the same place, configured
the same, except that one is set to use CTB and one TCP/IP.

Depending which of them you double click on, determines how Eudora accesses
the net for reading mail.

If you're doing things from a script, this makes things easy. Just name
them something like "Eudora Settings TCP" and "Eudora Settings CTB".  The
script
can copy one of them to "Eudora Settings", then launch Eudora. Maybe not
completely elegant, but it works great for me :-)

-Paul


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=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 31 Aug 1994 22:59:54 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tom Donovan <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Launching Eudora

>Hi folks...I just figgered out how to get on this list, as I got tired off
>slogging through those HUGE digests... so excuse me if this has been
>covered.
>
>I use Eudora constantly to download mail while I'm gone, via the Comm.
>Toolbox. When I get home, however, I like to log on to my PPP account, and
>open the "standard" set of PPP apps. I'm writing a simple script to
>automate these things, but I've run into a problem with Eudora -- since the
>settings are configured for the CTB, when Eudora is launched (there's no
>problem if it was already open), it tries to connect via the CTB before I
>have a chance to change the settings to MacTCP, generating an error, and
>bogging everything down.
>
>Now, Eudora will avoid trying to connect on launch in two situations: 1) if
>the "Check every __ minutes" box is set to 0, which I can't do until I
>launch Eudora (too late), and wouldn't want to anyway, and 2) if you hold
>down the Shift key while launching the application (better).
>
>So my question is this: how do I script it such that it thinks it's holding
>down the Shift key when launching Eudora? I haven't found any OSAX that
>seem to allow you to "press [modifier] key" for no apparent reason (though
>Autotype OSAX has this for text).
>
>Help? Is there another way around this?
>

You can launch Eudora from 2 different settings files--one set for CTB and
the other for MacTCP.  As long as both are in the same folder as all of
your mailboxes, everything else will be the same.  I do this all the time
to collect mail from several accounts.

Hope this helps.

--Tom